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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

That's the result of only picking from literally 2-3 groups in the entire Russia. I hope they are now realizing that was not a great idea.

The average Korean girl is getting better than the average Russian, yes Kamila Valieva is still better than maybe all of them but what about the others?

I mean, we've only seen a whopping three Russian juniors on the JGP so far. Maia and Tarakanova weren't even that much worse than the Koreans. I'm loving the progress the Korean juniors are making, but I highly doubt the Koreans will be able to hold onto this marginal lead until the final.
 
Helena Vaytzehosky met Tatyana Tarasova...

- Your pupil Ilya Kulik was first who won Olympics with a quad. Yagudin did two quads in 2002. In Phenjang Nathan Chen did 6 quads. Don't you feel older male skating was bleak comparing to the modern difficulty?
- In due time we were pioneers. You know it';s possible you do all triples and next day everyone does quads. Yagudin tried 4F, there is American video of this jump. Just it was time with no such task - to learn another quad. Two 3Ax and two quads was the maximum allowing to win. Every new generation adds something new in difficulty. Now very young skaters learn complex jumps. Do you remember when kids did all triples?

- Is it good or bad?
- I think it's good.

- And what about permanent talks it';s too dangerous: such loads for kids?
- The paradox is in the fact there is no overload for kids: multi rotation jumps, more like a game. Easy. Being properly done there is no difference between two and three or four rotations. Look at Liza TUKT, she learned her 3Ax early. Lost it at some time, but returned. But you cannot return what you didn't know.

- Seems illogical that massive quad race happened not at Mishin's group (he's the number one as a technical specialist in the world), but at Tutberidze's. She mostly did try-and-hit.
-Etery [Tutberidze] feels her power and she's sure her way is the correct one. A good selection and coaches. Parents all over Russia bring their kids to her, like it happened with Julia Lipitskaya. In Moscow it's easier than in St. Petersburg.
Those kids are already at a level. I saw myself Kamilla Valieva did 4T at the height of 5X. She can add fifth rotation... It's was quite a show! Such a potential for a kid! Also, I see the systemized and correctly defined work. Event if not perfect, the result you see.

- Many speaking now Alina Zagitova with no 3Ax or a quad may found herself not being a part of a National Team. Even compared to only her own group.
- I don't see it this way. Her mastership, skating, interpretation will hold the PCS at a good level.

- Is it possible to say the same for Medvedeva? She skares as good as Zagitova.
- Same... But her 3Lz3Lo is still not ready. She does 3Lz3S and a pity she failed at Olympics.

- But she wanted, AFAK.
- Yeah, I know. But she obeyed what was written. With a trauma of her leg it was a big risk, unnecessary. And her spine was traumatized too, mind you. Such a "small" issue, yeah?


.... Translation broken,. I have no time....
 
Can someone please translate this TAT's interview ?
https://rsport.ria.ru/20190822/1557800673.html

This was just an excerpt from another interview, but here is my take at it:

Tat'yana Tarasova: at the Olympic Games, Medvyedeva carried out her orders

Yelena Vaitsekhovskaya visited Tat'yana Tarasova and found out from the legendary trainer why Eteri Tutberidze feels with strength and confidence that she is on the right path, what Kamila Valiyeva is capable of and why, about this crazy competition in Russian women's skating, wether Alina Zagitova and Yevgeniya Medvyedeva will be able to qualify for the national team.

Q: Your student, Ilya Kulik, was the first to win the Olympics with a quad jump. Alexei Yagudin in 2002 jumped two quadruples. In Pyeongchang, Nathan Chen did six such jumps. You don't feel that in comparison with modern times, the previous men's skating was somehow completely insignificant in terms of complexity?
A: At that time we were pioneers. After all, it doesn’t happen that today you only do triple jumps, and from tomorrow on all the quads. Yagudin and I tried a quadruple flip, there is even an American video of this jump. There simply wasn’t this necessity - to learn another jump. Two triple Axels, one in the cascade and two quadruples, one in the cascade, this was the maximum that allowed you to win. In terms of complexity each new generation adds something of its own. Now, from childhood on, complex elements are wound up. When was it that children at those very young ages even jumped all the triples?

Q: Is it good or bad?
A: I think this is good.

Q: But what about the endless talk of how very dangerous it is to overload a child?
A: The paradox is that for children, multi-turn jumps are not a load, but a kind of game. They are light. If you are trained with the proper technique there is no difference in twisting two turns, three, or four. Take Lisa Tuktamysheva. She learned her triple Axel in her childhood. Then for some time she lost this jump, then she found it again, successfully jumping it. But it is impossible to find back what you never learned.

Q: By the way, it seems to me somewhat illogical that the girls in the group of Alexei Mishin (which has no equal in the world) do not master the quadruple jumps, but they do in the group of Tutberidze where in many ways it seems like touch-and-go.
A: Eteri feels with strength and confidence in herself that she is on the right track. And besides, she has a very good selection and a very strong coaching staff. Parents from all over the country take their children to her group, as they once brought Yuliya Lipnitskaya - in this regard, in Moscow it is still somewhat easier than in Sankt Peterburg. And these children have a different threshold. I myself saw at recent skates how Kamila Valiyeva went out and delivered a quad Toeloop in her free program with the height of a quintuple. At such a height it allows her to add another turn to the jump. It really was something. Firstly, I was shocked by the child’s ability to jump like that. Secondly, I see behind this a properly delivered systematic approach. Any system, even if it is somewhere imperfect, still gives a result.

Q: Now they talk a lot about the fact that Alina Zagitova, who doesn't have a triple Axel or a quadruple jump in her arsenal, can fall into the position of a person for whom it will become problematic to get into the national team, competing with athletes of her own group.
A: I don't think so. Because Alina's level of skill, skating, interpretation of programs will not allow (the judges) to go low on the second assessment (GOE scores).

Q: The same, probably, can be said about Yevgeniya Medvyedeva? Indeed, in terms of skating, she doesn't loose to Zagitova?
A: Does not lose. I don’t know if she will learn the Lutz-Rittberger, but this is not too fundamental: she does a Salchow-Rittberger, and does it very well. It’s a pity that she didn’t jump this at the Olympics.

Q: She, as far as we know, wanted to.
A: Yes, I know that too. But she obeyed what was prescribed to her. Of course, on a sore leg, this would be a risk, perhaps unjustified. Plus, her spine was still very out of order, speaking between us. Such nonsense, right?
Now I see that Medvyedeva has become even better at sliding. I saw how she works with Brian Orser, how she worked alone when she came back to Moscow. But with those unguided performances in demonstration and exhibitions it is necessary to quit, in my opinion. I know that Zhenya stages these numbers for herself by herself, and that’s no good. Each exhibition number should open something new in you. After all, it should contain some surprises: a concept, new elements, new approaches, new choreography.

A full interview with Tat'yana Tarasova about why she continues to believe in Kseniya Stolbova, why Adelina Sotnikova and Yuliya Lipnitskaya failed to do what Alina Zagitova did, and why the coach must be fully responsible for each of her students, you can read on the rsport website. ria.ru on friday.
 
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I think we need more TAT interiews and remarks in this thread.

Indeed we do, she is not afraid to throw a few grenades, I'll try to find that whole interview later, currently all my computers are engaged in recording live streams.
 
Sofia Akatyeva is such a gem :love:

I usually don't watch performances of such young skaters because I don't want to get emotionally attached to someone who might never have a proper senior career, but I couldn't resist watching the linked SP's of the Moscow Juniors and dang, Akatieva got me. :luv17:
 
What a busy day of skating. Had to use split screen there for a moment when Usacheva and Frolova skated at the same time...:coffee:
 
Wowww
How old is she? 3A is a big deal!!
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12 (07.07.2007)
 
Wowww
How old is she? 3A is a big deal!!

Moscow Championships results:

No. Participant Place Points
1 Sofia AKATIEVA 1 209.12
2 Sofia SAMODELKINA 2 198.34
3 Anna FROLOVA 3 190.64
4 Elizabeth BERESTOVSKAYA 4 189.01
5 Ksenia Tsibinova 5 186.23
6 Sofia MURAVYEVA 6 184.53
7 Maria ZAKHAROVA 7 180.46
8 Nick Ryabinina 8 170.33
9 Adelia PETROSYAN 9 166.59
10 Barbara KISEL 10 165.06
11 Sofia BARANOVA 11 157.01
12 Camila SULTANMAGOMEDOVA 12 150.81
13 Sofia SARNOVSKAYA 13 143.22
14 Violetta FILONETS 14 141.83
15 Angelina CHAPLYGINA 15 139.73
16 Maria KRYZHOVA 16 135.96
17 Ksenia BRAGINA 17 133.30
18 Varvara SMIRNOVA 18 132.53
19 Ekaterina GALETSKAYA 19 132.23
20 Ksenia MIKRYUKOVA 20 128.53
21 Olga NIKONOROVA 21 128.46
22 Alexandra PRONINA 22 121.93
23 Ulyana SHIRYAEVA 23 121.75
24 Natalia OVSYANNIKOVA 24 121.18

Akat'yeva's in detail:
1 4T 9.50 -4.75 4.75
2 3A+2T B 9.30 1.07 10.37
3 3Lo 4.90 0.82 5.72
4 3A B 8.00 2.13 10.13
5 FCSp4 3.20 1.07 4.27
6 3Lz+3T 11.11 x 1.77 12.88
7 3Lz+1Eu+3S 11.77 x 1.57 13.34
8 3F 5.83 x 1.41 7.24
9 FCCoSp4 3.50 1.17 4.67
10 StSq2 2.60 0.35 2.95
11 LSp4 B 2.70 1.26 3.96
Сумма 72.41 7.87 80.28
Детализация по снижениям
Falls: -1.00

She got B for Bravery bonus in her 3A+2T combo, her single 3A (which flew) and the LSp4

Samodelkina's:
№ Элемент Info Base GoE Баллы
1 3F ! 5.30 0.53 5.83
2 2A 3.30 0.99 4.29
3 3S 4.30 1.15 5.45
4 2A 3.30 0.88 4.18
5 StSq3 3.30 0.99 4.29
6 FSSp3 2.60 0.78 3.38
7 3Lz+3T 11.11 x 1.38 12.49
8 3Lz+3Lo 11.88 x 1.77 13.65
9 3Lo+2T+2T 8.25 x 0.98 9.23
10 CCoSp4 3.50 1.05 4.55
11 LSp4 2.70 0.90 3.60
Сумма 59.54 11.40 70.94

Frolova's:
№ Элемент Info Base GoE Баллы
1 3Lz+3T 10.10 1.18 11.28
2 3F 5.30 1.06 6.36
3 2A+1Eu+3S 8.10 -0.29 7.81
4 FSSp4 3.00 0.70 3.70
5 2A 3.30 0.66 3.96
6 CCoSp4 3.50 0.93 4.43
7 3Lz 6.49 x 1.18 7.67
8 3F+2T 7.26 x 0.88 8.14
9 3Lo 5.39 x 0.98 6.37
10 StSq3 3.30 0.66 3.96
11 LSp4 2.70 0.54 3.24
Сумма 58.44 8.48 66.92

Berestovskaya's:
№ Элемент Info Base GoE Баллы
1 3F 5.30 0.88 6.18
2 3S 4.30 0.43 4.73
3 3Lo 4.90 0.98 5.88
4 2A 3.30 0.44 3.74
5 CCoSp3V nS 2.25 0.53 2.78
6 3Lz+3T 11.11 x 1.18 12.29
7 3Lz+2T 7.92 x 0.98 8.90
8 2A+3T+2T 9.68 x 0.56 10.24
9 StSq2 2.60 0.78 3.38
10 FSSp4 3.00 0.80 3.80
11 LSp3 2.40 0.96 3.36
Сумма 56.76 8.52 65.28

Compared to the so far somewhat tame JPG in Riga this was a very exciting competition.
 
Sofia Akatieva SP+FP 209.12 3A+2T,4T (fall), 3A :thumbsup:

Sha planned 4t+3t, 4t, 2a, 3lz-3lo but after her first fall changed the jump layout entirely.
her 3A are looking very good, they have height and distance. Good job, Sonya.
 
Sha planned 4t+3t, 4t, 2a, 3lz-3lo but after her first fall changed the jump layout entirely.
her 3A are looking very good, they have height and distance. Good job, Sonya.

Thinking on her feet, this Sonya, typical #TeamTudberidzeForProgess Quality ;-)

Work hard or get out, learn to skate with your head or get out, etc.
She already starts to play to the judges too.
 
Akatieva skating to Amelie - Comptine d'un autre été too. I haven't seen many skaters use this piece when skating to Amelie. She doesn't need any quad or 3A, I already like her for that. Well done for the technical elements, too, of course, but like I said. She already won me over when I heard the music choice. :biggrin:
 
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