Dancing With The Stars

[SeaniBu]

To me, it's not the theatrical make-up so much as the sexual nature of the dancing itself. Let's face it, what is ballroom dancing besides sex standing up? I just have a problem with teaching little girls these moves before they are old enough to know what they are for.

ITA with that MM.:agree: The Taylor Firth (age 15) doing her SP to a "synonymously naughty" theme music, flipping her skit up to show her butt - saw that in the Rachel Flatt archive too - is possibly sending an uneasy message to some. I still have to believe the only real concern though, is the people who get the "bad thoughts." Girls being girls Is all I can think to make it morally OK from the performers POV. Although by letting this perpetuate is a question of ethical implication either way. The freedom to, or the censorship due to some "possibly" taking it badly? It is a loaded topic IMO, but it still just comes down to girls being girls IMO.

I would much rather see violence taken out of every day TV before little girls who really don't know what they are doing other than act like the older girls. And then again, do they know? Maybe this is a bad course of nature that elders allow to perpetuate in our youth? But where does it stop. It might not be the best example, but I am thinking of the movie Footloose.

 

[Mathman]

I can't write it off to "girls being girls," or to "little girls trying to be like big girls," for the simple reason that it is choreographed by adults. I am pretty sure it was some adult (parent or coach) that told four-year-old Rachael Flatt that it would be cute if she flipped up her skirt and stuck out her behind -- and then applauded her when she did so.

 

[Grgranny]

Sure glad I'm not the only one that thinks putting all that stuff on little girls is really naughty. And a lot of the moves. I would think that they could still do the dancing without all the makeup and naughty moves. I still love the movie "Dirty Dancing" even though it is pretty naughty in places. I love the music.

 

[Wolfgang]

It is certainly true that professional ballroom dancers wear some SCARY amounts of makeup, I went to the Albuquerque Swing & Country Dance Club's Winter Ball at the convention center, and they had a pro couple from California as guests, they looked great from a distance, but more like the Munsters close up......(not the daughter, either....)

Re: John vs. Billy - The only reason either one of them (especially John) has lasted as long as they did, is the popularity vote, there's a LOT of Cheers fans out there, and probably about as many Country music fans.
That was Shandi's downfall, no one knew who the heck she was, not that many people follow the whole 'Miss' thing.
No one knows any Misses, unless they start singing or acting.
What I found slightly annoying was how they kept harping on his age and the difference to Miss Sliwinska's.
If it bothers them so much, why didn't they match him up with someone less offensively young.......?

 

[SeaniBu]

I can't write it off to "girls being girls," or to "little girls trying to be like big girls," for the simple reason that it is choreographed by adults. I am pretty sure it was some adult (parent or coach) that told four-year-old Rachael Flatt that it would be cute if she flipped up her skirt and stuck out her behind -- and then applauded her when she did so.

ITA with that MM.:agree:
I still have to believe the only real concern though, is the people who get the "bad thoughts." Girls being girls Is all I can think to make it morally OK from the performers POV. Although by letting this perpetuate is a question of ethical implication either way. The freedom to, or the censorship due to some "possibly" taking it badly? It is a loaded topic IMO.....

The only other choice here is that Lori Nicol is telling Taylor to act promiscuously. Or Rachel' M&D are teaching their girl to be naughty.???? Or You can think she is just doing as I said. I don't really like making those implications toward choreographers or parents. But with awareness let's see what they do.

But where does it stop. It might not be the best example, but I am thinking of the movie Footloose.

Now I am thinking of MK doing the Cali Girls # in a one piece bathing suit at 15. That was promiscuous by nature, but was MK wanting that, how about Lori, Frank. Do we really think they are asking these young ladies to act inappropriately???

How much input do the skaters have?

And if ones mind is "pure of nasties" are they even going to see that it might be taken nasty?

This is a very loaded topic!:agree: 2 very substantial ways to look at this, both having moral implications. But the concern of the implication is....????

Take it out and it wont be missed by me, but it does limit and can be construed as "discriminatory prejudice via paranoia" as well. I am on the fence on this cuz it wouldn't matter if it was gone to me, but feel freedoms are freedoms that I am not sure where the actions acutely stem from.????

Puzzling topic, possibly worthy of a new thread, but I fear the direction it might take.*shrugs*

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Granny's correct. Not need to put makeup on cute little girls. they already have that Jints Say Kwa.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

Re: John vs. Billy - The only reason either one of them (especially John) has lasted as long as they did, is the popularity vote, there's a LOT of Cheers fans out there, and probably about as many Country music fans.

But John's problem was that anyone old enough to remember Cheers is not likely, however much he enjoys the show, to jump up on his Blackberry and start text messaging a hundred votes the minute the phone lines open.

For Billy Ray, I don't think it's the middleaged country music enthusiasts so much as the pre-teen Hannah Montana fans.

 

[Mathman]

Now I am thinking of MK doing the Cali Girls # in a one piece bathing suit at 15. That was promiscuous by nature, but was MK wanting that, how about Lori, Frank. Do we really think they are asking these young ladies to act inappropriately?

Totally age appropriate. Who else are the Beachboys singing about except cute teenagers partying at the beach?

Same with 13-year-old Naomi Nari Nam acting cute as a button with Itty Bitty Pretty One. That's just what the song has in mind.

To me, that's a far cry from a 9-year-old attempting a sultry tango in the style of a 24-year-old seductress.

 

[Jhar55]

John was matched up with his partner at thelast minute when someon else backed out, and another reason he couldn't be pair up with someone his age there wasn't any lady dancers his age in the show.
As for Billy he'll be gone this week, unless ABC is fixing the votes theres no way he can compete with Ian, Apolo, Joey and Layla. :yes:

 

[SeaniBu]

To me, that's a far cry from a 9-year-old attempting a sultry tango in the style of a 24-year-old seductress.

Sorry I guess I lost sight of the original perimeters of the topic. I 'spose I agree but don't think it should matter that much. One thought is if it does matter than they will want to that much more, and an other is do we cater to the weirdoes who take it wrong?

Jhar55 I hope you are right about Billy, I don't see how it could be any other way, but you never know with this "pop contest" voting that goes on.

 

[julietvalcouer]

Uh, well, setting aside that TLC isn't a peer-review journal, ballroom makeup is stage makeup and I stongly suspect they were concerned with street/daily make up, which is all about flaw-hiding and emulating skin at its healthiest point, youth. There's makeup now designed to brighten skin by reflection to make it look younger. Stage makeup doesn't worry about effects that subtle. (And I think the fake tanning you have to do makes you look older, but this is an argument I'm slowly losing. I'll end up having to spray-tan, I'm sure.) Using makeup to look younger is a beauty thing that you look for at the Clinique counter. Doing makeup for ballroom is about making it so the blind grandmother can distinctly see your eyes from the back rows, and possibly that your shadow coordinates with your dress. It looks almost as freakish as stage makeup up close because it's designed to exagerate. Anyone who's ever been trained in stage makeup application knows this. (In fact I used to be an expert at aging, thanks to theater camp, and as such always got stuck doing everyone's makeup for high school shows--making fifteen-year-olds look fifty is not difficult, but it's kind of tedious.) The major difference is ballroom isn't concerned about looking natural from a distance while you're at it. You're painting with brights, instead of browns. In ballroom, slap on the weird colors and don't worry about looking real from any distance. God knows the fake tans certainly aren't. One of my instructors just has no luck with it--he always comes out looking orange. The worst part is with his complexion he looks much better pale, but he competes Latin, so fake tan it is. (Someone, somewhere, please point them to ballet and show that pale can be pretty!)

Isn't DWTS on past Hannah Montana's audience's bedtimes? *snark* Enough already. Final two--Apolo and whoever's going to lose to him, let's get to it.

 

[SeaniBu]

Ian just doesn't have that face.hwell:

Look out Joey turned it loose

Laila is being held back

Apolo has to have won this already - even though he lost balance when he caught her on the first slide

Come on Billy, don't loose it. I was wrong, he is totally into it - as in psychotically.:think:

 

[Ladskater]

Ian just doesn't have that face.hwell:

Look out Joey turned it loose

Laila is being held back

Apolo has to have won this already - even though he lost balance when he caught her on the first slide

Come on Billy, don't loose it. I was wrong, he is totally into it - as in psychotically.:think:

I am cheering for Apolo and his partner! Best in the bunch.

 

[Jhar55]

I also think Apolo is going to win after watch last night.
Hope that they send Billy packing tonight.
And then it's going to a tough call on the last 4,.
This is how I think the finish will be Apolo, Layla, Joey, Ian.
Has anyone here voting? I haven't

 

[ranjake]

forgive me if this has already been mentioned. for those of you who might possibly want to be "spoiled" about the possible results...there's a "dancing with the stars" dial tracker on dialidol.com. of course it's no guarrantee, but it looks as if it's been fairly accurate so far...and is very interesting.

 

[Dee4707]

Can we all agree that Billy Ray gets "A" for Effort? I was wishing he would have punched Bruno in the nose last night. I think some of their comments were out of line. I think one of the things I noticed a lot last night is he needs to close his legs, he looks like he just got off a horse. He is quite charming and very sultry. Whew, is it hot in here???

Dee

 

[Ptichka]

Billy Ray should go home, but I think Ian will instead.

 

[SeaniBu]

I do think Billy is trying his best, he is really working on it and his attitude has changed IMO from the first part. BUT he just doesn't have that ballroom persona necessary to do ballroom or win at a ballroom event - even being 4th is quite a streach. Try as hard or even harder than everyone does not mean you can't be judged or criticized - they tell him they can see he is working hard. I really think he needs to relax a touch and realize their "rudeness" is how they judge - did he just figure this out or think the others aren't getting or have gotten the same? Take a chill pill Billy. Grabbing the mic childish and not in control of his emotions. Not a good "role model move" IMO either. Yep trying hard, looking charming, but just not ballroom charm. It is silly or macho country singer charm. It just doesn't fit. I think John had more of the right look, actions and attitude for the show. Billy, it is just not your cup of tea, and I expect an apology tonight for the mic grab, I don't really like her but that was rude Billy. Not "cool." Entertaining, handsome, etc... no disagreement there, but a ballroom dancer (I am not the best of judges BUT) he is not.
Much like Ian just not having that "face" that makes it work. Ian has the moves and ability and all, but he just doesn't look it.

Apolo I think lucked out last night for no deduction on that hand down on the first slide catch. "That is a hand down deduction!"

Can't get over how good Laila looked last night. I again fully agree with the judges for there remarks to Maks.

JVC, I see what you are saying about make-up and it's use, but I think you are failing to see that make-up extenuating features is what a child's face has. At make-ups root of use that is what it is doing regardless of any particulars that are trying to be done, the reason for it is the same. As for TLC, I am not sure I will listen to anyone telling me they don't know or discrediting their shows aired. The BBC had some to do with it as well, but before you try to discredit it, look into what they are saying. They of course say it better than I do, and the correlation to make-up and retaining the look of youth is an undeniable one. You might have a ADDED goal to it's use in a particular forum, but it's original rudimentary use is still the same. Children's eyes POP right out with the natural clarity, sharp clean color - eye shape on a non-wrinkled cheek stands out with sharper lines - a soft nose that blends with the face - sharp edges on the lips, etc... see what I am saying. It doesn't have to be the intent to be the real reason, the outcome is the same regardless. It is just the term "trying to look younger" that people are adverse to, even though that is what is happening people take that negatively. It shouldn't be.

 

[Mathman]

Look-alikes

DWTS judge Bruno Tonioli

Ice dancing coach Igor Spilband

Speaking of make-up making your eyes look bigger, look how pretty Tessa Virtue looks in this picture. Love the name -- sounds like Tess Trueheart, Dick Tracy's girlfriend. (Not to be comfused with Mighty Mouse's girlfriend, Pearl Pureheart.)

 

[SeaniBu]

Reading over a TV Guide mag while I took Mom to get her hair done, Ian performs the same as his practice. And the phrase "disappointed in you" is something his parents used to say to him and he says it hurts because of association, brings back feelings.

The judges all said, Billy has the spirt to be a dancer, but he will never be. He can sing and move to music great, but on his own. He is a solo act. "His body does not sing."

Kym and Joey seem to be the judges favorites for what Joey has gone thru this season. He has lost 25 pounds and his "improvement chart" is the most dramatic.

Laila could be a great dancer if she decided to stop boxing they remark. They all think she has curves in all the right places and love her strong posture that can move so elegantly. I am concerned about her weight class for boxing. She looks like she has lost 5lbs. That will change a lot. I wonder if some fights were lined up for her after DWTS? Well plenty of time to get it back on, or she will be rocking the light Heavy again?

Apolo, just incredible remarks. A natural. Someone who should be know in more things than just skating for sure. Personality to work ethic. He has a highly admirable personality and is exceedingly charismatic. Julianne had the easiest job to start, but now 2 others have caught up (assuming not Billy ) and holding that will be hard.

The finale 3 seems like it will be very open to who could win as well as who is liked the most.