Dancing With The Stars
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Are you basing your response on his lack of dancing skills or that you just don't like him?? Just curious.
Dee
Dancing with the stars.............
I think Billy Ray seems like a very nice man. I don't dislike him. I do, however, dislike his lack of dancing skills. I will admit that he improved from the first show but he is clumsy and really unable to move in any graceful manner.
I'm annoyed that he stayed on the show longer than some dancers who were better than him. For instance, although I don't like her at all, Heather Mills is a much better dancer than Billy. I feel she displayed natural dance ability.
I do understand how these dance competitions are scored which is mostly by popularity. However, the judges haven't always been fair in their analysis of the dancers.
Dizzy
I think Billy Ray seems like a very nice man. I don't dislike him. I do, however, dislike his lack of dancing skills. I will admit that he improved from the first show but he is clumsy and really unable to move in any graceful manner.
I'm annoyed that he stayed on the show longer than some dancers who were better than him. For instance, although I don't like her at all, Heather Mills is a much better dancer than Billy. I feel she displayed natural dance ability.
I do understand how these dance competitions are scored which is mostly by popularity. However, the judges haven't always been fair in their analysis of the dancers.
Dizzy
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boys will be boys. It's not figure skating.
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He should've taken the mic and bonked Bruno over the head with it. I think Bruno needs to apologize to Billy Ray.
Dee
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I am getting a good chuckle out of this so I am not trying to be argumentative or anything of the sort.
But Billy is Hanna Montana's Dad, so, youngsters see Billy as a role model in some way. Clide would grab the mic because he was trying to bring it to his mouth "way up there" but Billy was complaining about judges being rude while he was being rude. That is hypocrisy.
If "Southern gentleman" means do unto others as they have done unto you, then he did it as he should. But if it means do unto others as you WOULD HAVE THEM do unto you, then he was just as rude as that in which he was complaining about being rude in the first place.
It is not the "role" of the dancers to critique the judges, at least the judges were doing that in which they are supposed to as well as have been doing since the start of the show. Nothing different that Billy couldn't at the very least just said "I will be better than that" even if he doesn't understand (as Julianne pointed out) that is the way it works, that is what judges say and in that way. And good dancers feed of of that criticism and become stronger. Not pout about unflattering comments - which were made in correlation with highly flattering comments about Billy. He just didn't hear the complements, only the criticism.
JMO of course.
But Billy is Hanna Montana's Dad, so, youngsters see Billy as a role model in some way. Clide would grab the mic because he was trying to bring it to his mouth "way up there" but Billy was complaining about judges being rude while he was being rude. That is hypocrisy.
If "Southern gentleman" means do unto others as they have done unto you, then he did it as he should. But if it means do unto others as you WOULD HAVE THEM do unto you, then he was just as rude as that in which he was complaining about being rude in the first place.
It is not the "role" of the dancers to critique the judges, at least the judges were doing that in which they are supposed to as well as have been doing since the start of the show. Nothing different that Billy couldn't at the very least just said "I will be better than that" even if he doesn't understand (as Julianne pointed out) that is the way it works, that is what judges say and in that way. And good dancers feed of of that criticism and become stronger. Not pout about unflattering comments - which were made in correlation with highly flattering comments about Billy. He just didn't hear the complements, only the criticism.
JMO of course.
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I don't think it's the role of judges to say what you just presented was "crap." Even as gentle and mild mannered as I am, I would probably have done the same thing but taken it one step further and bonked Bruno. Bruno's comments were totally uncalled for, again it's just my humble opinion.
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I think Bruno is more interested in getting a reaction from the audience than anything. Billy Ray has the reputation of being a very nice man. Before "Achy Breaky" he used to play at a local bar with his band and was always very polite. Considering the bad behaviour seen in other sports I don't think his mic grabbing was that bad. For some of the stars it was a much bigger challenge to do ball room than for some of the others. I appreciate the effort Billy Ray put into this.
Hey totally OT but is it only a southern thing to call people by there first and middle names? My family does it at times, usually if Mama calls me Patti Lynne I know I am in trouble. OTOH future Mr. Piel has never heard of it and thinks it is funny.
Hey totally OT but is it only a southern thing to call people by there first and middle names? My family does it at times, usually if Mama calls me Patti Lynne I know I am in trouble. OTOH future Mr. Piel has never heard of it and thinks it is funny.
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Well, it's a Russian tradition to show respect by using the first name and the patronymic.
Alexei Yagudin (I mean, Alexei Konstantinovitch), writing in this months Spotlight on Skating bawls out Piseev for getting Tatiana Tarasova's name wrong at a big skating show celebrating Tarasova's 60th birthday. Piseev called her "Tatiana Aleksandrovna" instead of "Tatiana Anatoievna." Alexei says, "It was quite terrible considering how much she has done for Russian skating."
But yes -- if my parents called us by our first and middle name, that meant we were in big trouble, LOL.
A couple of generations ago it was the custom in the plains states to call people by their middle names exclusively. My grandfather's name was Fay. I always wondered why my grandfather had a girls's name, until I found out (as an adult) that his real name was James Lafayette.
I also think the 'crap' incident was prolly a ratings stunt, much along the lines of arranging Survivor teams along the lines that will create the most friction, leading to highest possible viewership , leading in turn to highest possible advertiser dollars.....
Anyone remember Janet Jackson's 'wardrobe malfunction' a few Super Bowls ago....?
Not exactly sure whose flagging career or viewership that was supposed to revive, but it sure got people to talk.......
The jive was Laila's best dance so far, but I'm still no fan of hers, Mr. Tonioli can have his 'magnificent obsession' (???? stalker????) all to himself......
Ian has gone flat-o stale-o, I'm actually kinda warming up to the Fat Man, he sorta grows on you.
No doubt whatsoever that popularity was the only reason why Billy Ray made it this far, even Miss Finnessey was a better dancer than he is, she just never got a chance to show it.
Again, IF this is a real competition, Apolo should definitely win.
In the tango and paso, it actually looked liked he was leading......!!
Anyone remember Janet Jackson's 'wardrobe malfunction' a few Super Bowls ago....?
Not exactly sure whose flagging career or viewership that was supposed to revive, but it sure got people to talk.......
The jive was Laila's best dance so far, but I'm still no fan of hers, Mr. Tonioli can have his 'magnificent obsession' (???? stalker????) all to himself......
Ian has gone flat-o stale-o, I'm actually kinda warming up to the Fat Man, he sorta grows on you.
No doubt whatsoever that popularity was the only reason why Billy Ray made it this far, even Miss Finnessey was a better dancer than he is, she just never got a chance to show it.
Again, IF this is a real competition, Apolo should definitely win.
In the tango and paso, it actually looked liked he was leading......!!
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Math, I don't know if I'm answering your questions but found this site.
Scroll down towards the bottom
Catagories for Dance
Dee
Scroll down towards the bottom
Catagories for Dance
Dee
Let the competion begin, now that all the not so good but try as they might dancers are gone. Laya got hurt in point because she held back the dirty dancing part out of respect to her father, and I for one respect her for that.
I am still going to Apolo to win he and his partner were fablous monday night but then I've liked them from that start along with the rest of the final group..
What I'd like to know is who chooses the music that they dance to.
I hope I get to see the traveling show this year.
I am still going to Apolo to win he and his partner were fablous monday night but then I've liked them from that start along with the rest of the final group..
What I'd like to know is who chooses the music that they dance to.
I hope I get to see the traveling show this year.
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Honestly, I find that website to be somewhat crap, if I might borrow Bruno's word. (Yes, Bruno plays to the audience a bit. Take my advice, listen to Len, he's the one who knows dancesport and he's judging Apolo accordingly.) For a start, are absolutely unclear that American Rhythm and American Smooth are competitive categories, not social dance. They're based on social dance, true, but they are competitive categories. Tony Dovolani and Elena Grinenko are the current World Professional American Rhythm champions, for example. That and I'm somewhat offended by the whole "if you want to be a really GOOD dancer..." line. (And yet am consoled by the fact that I'm quite sure at least a few of THEIR students got their butts kicked by OUR students at Hotlanta last year. Yes, this studio is that good. We have the Pro-Am Open Gold American Rhythm champions.)
As said, tango is Smooth/Standard because of the hold. While it has no rise and fall, unlike the other Smooth/Standards (Foxtrot, Smooth/Slow Waltz, V-Waltz, Quickstep) it's danced in a close hold on soft knees and ankles. Latin and Rhythm are characterised yes, by the Cuban hip action, but also by the knee action--in fact you differentiate between the two partially by, in Rythym, the step is onto a bent knee that's straightened, while Latin knee action is straight-legged. (Either way you end up on a straight knee. My knees and hips do not like this very much. I tend to prefer Smooth/Standard, but I'm going to learn all four styles.)
One reason Jive is Latin, besides the knees, is you dance apart. In Smooth and Standard you are very much up close and personal. My first lesson doing Smooth, I remember thinking as he showed me the hold for tango, "Wait a sec, you want my hips WHERE?" The up side is, while there is the issue of dealing with having another person's center of gravity RIGHT THERE, the leads are hard to miss once you know what to listen for. There are moments in Rhythm and Latin, on the other hand, where you're on what's called a visual lead--you're not touching your partner at all. Drives me nuts.
As said, tango is Smooth/Standard because of the hold. While it has no rise and fall, unlike the other Smooth/Standards (Foxtrot, Smooth/Slow Waltz, V-Waltz, Quickstep) it's danced in a close hold on soft knees and ankles. Latin and Rhythm are characterised yes, by the Cuban hip action, but also by the knee action--in fact you differentiate between the two partially by, in Rythym, the step is onto a bent knee that's straightened, while Latin knee action is straight-legged. (Either way you end up on a straight knee. My knees and hips do not like this very much. I tend to prefer Smooth/Standard, but I'm going to learn all four styles.)
One reason Jive is Latin, besides the knees, is you dance apart. In Smooth and Standard you are very much up close and personal. My first lesson doing Smooth, I remember thinking as he showed me the hold for tango, "Wait a sec, you want my hips WHERE?" The up side is, while there is the issue of dealing with having another person's center of gravity RIGHT THERE, the leads are hard to miss once you know what to listen for. There are moments in Rhythm and Latin, on the other hand, where you're on what's called a visual lead--you're not touching your partner at all. Drives me nuts.
'V-Waltz' ?
Classic!
I don't claim to be a 'dance expert', but jive does in no way look or feel 'latin' to me, maybe they just call it that because an 'african' category wouldn't be PC (at least in America....)?
'Cause that's what it is....
Tango is definitely not latin, despite having technically originated in 'Latin' America.
The music, atmosphere, etc. of the dance reminds me personally much more of gypsy/eastern European cultures.
As far as I know, there's at least as many German and Italian immigrants in Argentina as there are Spanish ones, and who knows, there may be sizeable eastern European communities.
There's at least one where they still speak Welsh......
Classic!
I don't claim to be a 'dance expert', but jive does in no way look or feel 'latin' to me, maybe they just call it that because an 'african' category wouldn't be PC (at least in America....)?
'Cause that's what it is....
Tango is definitely not latin, despite having technically originated in 'Latin' America.
The music, atmosphere, etc. of the dance reminds me personally much more of gypsy/eastern European cultures.
As far as I know, there's at least as many German and Italian immigrants in Argentina as there are Spanish ones, and who knows, there may be sizeable eastern European communities.
There's at least one where they still speak Welsh......
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Jive is classed with Latin because the category is called "International Latin" and in terms of technique, it does not belong in International Standard. For the same reason, Swing (aka "East Coast Swing" or "triple-time Swing") is a Rhythm dance, not Smooth. (West Coast Swing is neither and goes with the Hustle and Salsa in the "other dance" category.)
Tango, meanwhile, has no relationship to Eastern Europe but is heavily, heavily influenced by the African (read: slave-originating) cultures in South America, where it originated in Argentina. It has Cuban influence as well. Tango is really something of an oddball among the ballroom dances as it lacks rise and fall, and as danced the Argentine Tango (a kind of crap example of which can be seen in the "Tango de Roxanne" sequence in "Moulin Rouge") is a different dance entirely, but because of the hold, it's Smooth/Standard. (For other dances, these Rhythm/Latin, that has African backgrounds, check out Rhumba and Samba. These, however, involve Cuban hip action and breaks from the partner, therefore Latin category.)
Uh...yeah, V-waltz. We shorthand it that way sometimes because "Viennese Waltz" is a really long name. And you can't just say "waltz" because then you have the issue of Smooth/Slow Waltz. Very much Not A Viennese.
Tango, meanwhile, has no relationship to Eastern Europe but is heavily, heavily influenced by the African (read: slave-originating) cultures in South America, where it originated in Argentina. It has Cuban influence as well. Tango is really something of an oddball among the ballroom dances as it lacks rise and fall, and as danced the Argentine Tango (a kind of crap example of which can be seen in the "Tango de Roxanne" sequence in "Moulin Rouge") is a different dance entirely, but because of the hold, it's Smooth/Standard. (For other dances, these Rhythm/Latin, that has African backgrounds, check out Rhumba and Samba. These, however, involve Cuban hip action and breaks from the partner, therefore Latin category.)
Uh...yeah, V-waltz. We shorthand it that way sometimes because "Viennese Waltz" is a really long name. And you can't just say "waltz" because then you have the issue of Smooth/Slow Waltz. Very much Not A Viennese.
