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:gaah: OMG just leave Gracie alone already. She skated up to her abilities right now, she has a long road. She picked that FS music because it means something to her. I give her all the credit in the universe for doing what she is, it takes alot of grit to come back the way she is after everything she went through.

Everyone needs to stop being so critical. :curse:
 
:gaah: OMG just leave Gracie alone already. She skated up to her abilities right now, she has a long road. She picked that FS music because it means something to her. I give her all the credit in the universe for doing what she is, it takes alot of grit to come back the way she is after everything she went through.

Everyone needs to stop being so critical. :curse:

Why? This is exactly what this forum is for.

For my part, I completely don't understand the mentality of some people in this forum of "gold star for trying" in adult world. Gracie is not doing well by any stretch of imagination and I don't get why we should be saying she's doing fine. I'm afraid she's setting herself up for a major disappointment because looking at her, a real comeback, as in getting on the GP circuit i, out of the question.
 
Why? This is exactly what this forum is for.

For my part, I completely don't understand the mentality of some people in this forum of "gold star for trying" in adult world. Gracie is not doing well by any stretch of imagination and I don't get why we should be saying she's doing fine. I'm afraid she's setting herself up for a major disappointment because looking at her, a real comeback, as in getting on the GP circuit i, out of the question.

No, this forum is not for rudely picking apart skaters. There is so much negativity here, completely bashing skaters such as Gracie, it's disgusting.

As for your "gold star for trying" that is not my mentality. But after what Gracie has been through, where she is at with her skating is doing well, no one said she was going to be the next Olympic champion at her level right now, but I give her credit for what she is doing. She could have easily said no and went on with her life, but she is doing what she loves and attacking what tore her down in the first place. People wonder why some skaters become headcases, well it's due to the fact that the sport is hard enough, and there's enough stress and pressure from being at the level Gracie was. And many people here who've never stepped on the ice and have no real clue about it want to sit behind their computer and pick at them endlessly. Oh her hair was out of place and her dress is ugly and so on and so forth: They have no acceptance of these skaters being people with families, friends, and feelings and lives beyond the rink. No, instead just criticize because one isn't up to ones silly "standards".

Gracie was at the top of her game a few years ago, and then unfortunately it all fell apart due to reasons we don't need to go into here, and that's a hard thing to come back to and deal with mentally and physically. She may never get back to the level she was in say 2014, but that doesn't mean we can't cheer her on for at least trying to come back to that level. I support her, because it takes alot more strength to do what she's doing knowing she can fail and there are skeptics. Better than those said skeptics who sit at a computer and be rude and negative about her. If you wouldn't walk up to her or any other skater and say it to their face or their parents faces, then don't say it here.

It's hard enough, give Gracie and the rest of the skaters you see a break. No ones asking you to give them a "gold star" or whatever the heck that is beyond rudeness. Maybe give them the benefit of the doubt and clap for them more than criticize, it's more effective.
 
Gracie Gold is back! Congrats to her at Regionals. So happy to see her in many ways but it was so bittersweet too. I wanted her to do well and though after a year and a half of trainign she would be Gracie of Old but she has changed and maybe needs yet more time. I was so happy to see her compete but sad because it wasn't the same Gracie and this one no longer has the speed, the power, the flow or the confidence. I know it takes time but still. And her freeskate - oh for goodness sake get rid of that music.. Such bad irony. It almost broke my heart to see her a shell of her former self. Even Evgenia pulled herself together better comparatively ditto for Gabby Daleman. Not to be mean but everything was so much harder spins, jumps, skating skills. I give her credit for trying but the music seemed kind of ironic. When you skate to a song that is suppose to be kind of like a happy ending after coming from struggle ie Mirai's Winner takes it all - then you want a skate to match. If it falls very flat ie pops, slower skating etc. it is kind of ironic because though we hope nope, Gracie though we want it you are so far from yourself. I know we should like you for you though. I feel cheated Vincent's post. In fact at this event her skating was much more labored,the spinsnot of the quality of yesteryear and her jumps were downgraded and did not have the power and flow. You just have to hope things will change but a part of me says that doesn't look good right now.

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No, this forum is not for rudely picking apart skaters. There is so much negativity here, completely bashing skaters such as Gracie, it's disgusting.

Oh please, nobody is "rudely picking on". What's being said are facts. If stating facts is bashing now, then yes, she's being bashed. And somebody not liking the music and expressing disappointment is "so much negatvity" now? Then I suppose there's "so much negativity" about exactly every one here.
 
Oh please, nobody is "rudely picking on". What's being said are facts. If stating facts is bashing now, then yes, she's being bashed. And somebody not liking the music and expressing disappointment is "so much negatvity" now? Then I suppose there's "so much negativity" about exactly every one here.

no, criticizing a skater who is recovering from severe depression, an eating disorder and who was also suicidal is highly inappropriate, disrespectful and insensitive. she bravely chose to look her demons right in the eye and overcome exactly what broke her while still recovering. She deserves nothing but respect for getting back to where she currently is and choosing to end her career on her own terms, which you obviously don't appreciate nor understand.
 
no, criticizing a skater who is recovering from severe depression, an eating disorder and who was also suicidal is highly inappropriate, disrespectful and insensitive. she bravely chose to look her demons right in the eye and overcome exactly what broke her while still recovering. She deserves nothing but respect for getting back to where she currently is and choosing to end her career on her own terms, which you obviously don't appreciate nor understand.

Thank you for this comment. Gracie is taking this one step at a time. She's been through so much and though she doesn't talk about it, she's been through h*ll. As a former professional dancer, I have seen athlete's go through eating disorders, depression, and anxiety. It is a huge deal that she is back out there taking on this challenge when she knows that she is not back to where she was. She needs support from skating fans, especially those of us who know her story.
 
Gracie fans are always so quick to get in their feelings when she’s not coddled by the figure skating fan base...you could set a clock by the regular “leave Gracie alone!!” Posts 😂
Anyways, has it been officially confirmed that Ting withdrew from Grand Prix? If so that’s a shame. I was impressed by how she seemed more grown up at autumn classic..some of that awkward kid like junior skating was gone and she looked very elegant. Her free skate, if performed clean and to its peak could be a major moment for her.
 
Gracie fans are always so quick to get in their feelings when she’s not coddled by the figure skating fan base...you could set a clock by the regular “leave Gracie alone!!” Posts [emoji23]
Anyways, has it been officially confirmed that Ting withdrew from Grand Prix? If so that’s a shame. I was impressed by how she seemed more grown up at autumn classic..some of that awkward kid like junior skating was gone and she looked very elegant. Her free skate, if performed clean and to its peak could be a major moment for her.

Exactly, every athlete goes through stuff and no one makes excuses for them. Reality is Gracie isn’t competitive at all anymore and that’s fine, moving on to the US skaters that actually have a chance... I think Ting had an injury last year? Maybe they should’ve let her fully recover, was very much looking forward to her getting on that world team this year.
 
Gracie fans are always so quick to get in their feelings when she’s not coddled by the figure skating fan base...you could set a clock by the regular “leave Gracie alone!!” Posts ��

I don't think Gracie fans have coddled her too much. Everyone acknowledges she isn't competitive with the top US women right now. However, unlike a year ago, she is able to do all the jumps through the 3Lz now. We saw a 3Lz, 3F, and 3Lo in competition, and practice videos of the 3S, 3T, and 2A. If you're expecting Gracie's comeback to put her on the same level as Trusova, you're probably going to be disappointed. If you want to see a young woman compete because she works hard to improve each day and loves to skate, you'd be happier with her progress.
 
Why? This is exactly what this forum is for.

For my part, I completely don't understand the mentality of some people in this forum of "gold star for trying" in adult world. Gracie is not doing well by any stretch of imagination and I don't get why we should be saying she's doing fine. I'm afraid she's setting herself up for a major disappointment because looking at her, a real comeback, as in getting on the GP circuit i, out of the question.

Because is a sport ... And you have to try to succeed... and if you fall, get up and try again because that's the hardest part .... given up it was the easy way for her ... She had the courage to comeback even with falls and after everything .. that's a true athlete and deserve respect .. No one is expecting her to win the worlds in a near future but every time she skates ... she deserves our respect
 
Because is a sport ... And you have to try to succeed... and if you fall, get up and try again because that's the hardest part .... given up it was the easy way for her ... She had the courage to comeback even with falls and after everything .. that's a true athlete and deserve respect .. No one is expecting her to win the worlds in a near future but every time she skates ... she deserves our respect


Well, I will go even further than that, and it goes beyond figure skating. In the real world, you should give respect to EVERYONE. Of course if they do things to change that then so be it. But in this FS bubble, Gracie's story is probably not all that uncommon, but it's just that she was a former child star with tons of publicity back then. Also, you can respect someone and question their choices and actions.
 
no, criticizing a skater who is recovering from severe depression, an eating disorder and who was also suicidal is highly inappropriate, disrespectful and insensitive. she bravely chose to look her demons right in the eye and overcome exactly what broke her while still recovering. She deserves nothing but respect for getting back to where she currently is and choosing to end her career on her own terms, which you obviously don't appreciate nor understand.

I'm sorry.... Because a skater is recovering from a severe depression and eating disorder we should... what, ignore what the skating is lacking? Not say a word? How is that respectful? To me, it equals the "let's give a gold star for trying". Maybe it's American that facts are "inappropriate, disrespectful and insensitive" but I don't subscribe to that philosophy. Gracie is brave and deserves respect but at the same time I see absolutely nothing wrong with noting that a skater who lacks power and speed and artistry in fact lacks power, speed and artistry. So no, Gracie's skating is not exempt from criticism due to her personal difficulties. Nobody's skating is.
 
Well what is really rude about the post is comparing Gracie unnecessarily to other skaters. Comparing her to Gabby Daleman, I get it, they had a lot of the same issues reported... but Daleman spent WAY LESS time off the ice than Gracie did. And comparing Gracie to Evgenia??? There’s no need for it and it’s not needlessly jumping to Gracie’s defense to say maybe we should just let her journey be her journey and not compare her to others. (There’s no correlation between Gracie and Evgenia. I’m still confused what the point was there.) Also I get if people have differing tastes for program music, but to say that the quality of her skating isn’t high enough to skate to that song, it’s kind of like okay what music is appropriate for her skating right now? The song clearly means something to her, for obvious reasons. It just feels like pointless nitpicking, and there’s nothing wrong with criticism of course but sometimes in this thread it’s just not stated in a constructive manner.
 
Since when did this thread become a place where it wasn't okay to give an honest opinion about a skater's skating? And where is it okay to give an honest evaluation reflecting reality, if not here?

Maybe I haven't seen every post, but AFAIK no one has criticized Gracie's motives or character ... although that has been done to other skaters in the past.

Gracie has made the brave decision to re-enter the competitive skating world. That, to me, signals a willingness, even a desire, for judges to score her fairly, without reference to her earlier status or favoritism, and for fans to comment on her skating just as they do for other skaters. If she doesn't want to be exposed to comments, she'll stay away from social media (although I know that's hard.) If she wasn't ready to be fairly evaluated, surely she wouldn't take this competitive step.

Gracie deserves the same respect accorded to every other skater. No more, no less. And just because not every skater reveals their struggles publicly, doesn't mean they haven't struggled with depression, eating disorders, and the like. If Gracie deserves only support, and no criticism, for her skating, then why doesn't every other skater deserve support without criticism?
 
then why doesn't every other skater deserve support without criticism?

IMO, all skaters deserve such support.

It is possible to be honest about the technical quality of someone's skating or to express personal opinions about whether the poster does or doesn't like an artistic choice or connect to a performance without insulting language, criticizing the skaters personally, or second guessing their choices based on little to no actual knowledge of their daily training and off-ice lives.
 
IMO, all skaters deserve such support.

It is possible to be honest about the technical quality of someone's skating or to express personal opinions about whether the poster does or doesn't like an artistic choice or connect to a performance without insulting language, criticizing the skaters personally, or second guessing their choices based on little to no actual knowledge of their daily training and off-ice lives.

I agree. But there's been plenty of insulting language before, criticizing skaters personally, and second guessing their musical choices, without this great rising of reproof.
 
This fence straddling will be the end of me.

USFS would probably love to put her on the ISP but can’t because her intentions aren’t clear. It’s not to often than someone can land a +3Lo combo clean. Her score was really good as well. It’s not fair to China either, since they are recruiting in earnest to have a strong team for the Olympics. I know it has to be hard decision, but she has to make one so so the federations can proceed and she can progress with her international career.

She isn’t on the fence. She’s with team USA.
 
IMO, all skaters deserve such support.

It is possible to be honest about the technical quality of someone's skating or to express personal opinions about whether the poster does or doesn't like an artistic choice or connect to a performance without insulting language, criticizing the skaters personally, or second guessing their choices based on little to no actual knowledge of their daily training and off-ice lives.

Exactly what I was saying.
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And for everyone else: Actually, I'm not a fan of Gracie, TBH, but I do respect her and give her credit for what she's doing after what she went through. I am not putting people down. Maybe said a few negative things when I started here years ago that was honest (bad edges) but I haven't said much since. And everyone mentioning Gabby and others. You totally missed my point: I said to knock it off about everyone.
 
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