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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

This thread is so childish and ridiculous. Do we have any skating-related topics to talk about?

Unfortunately, that is what Golden Skate is often about trying to create childish drama about nothing. Especially, if it is a skater who isn't from the "chosen team" who says it.

Anyway, very beautiful 3As from both Alena and Liza. I love 3As. I think they are the most beautiful jump. I am so happy the are at least 4 ladies attempting them this year. Such an exciting year in ladies figure skating. I hope no one gets hurt.
 
Liza has been getting low GOE on her jumps for quite some time now and hasn't done anything (beyond temporary one off attempts only to quickly revert back again) to change it. She shouldn't be surprised by any of it so why she's suddenly acting out in the k&c and making a fuss now is perplexing.

Maybe because she's lasted so long, and got away with her faults for so long, she's having a hard time coming to terms with why she suddenly isn't. She seems pretty smart from what I can see but her ego (and chances are knowing how he thinks Mishin isn't helping at all) is probably having a hard time accepting that she's currently being pushed away by the judges.
 
I am not excusing Liza behaviour; not even sure if it is all that bad. But it is pretty tough in Russia right now that a former world champion with three triple axels isn't competitive in her own country. Hopefully this will motivate her to improve her programs and content, edge on the flip etc. Also she needs to sell herself - hair, costumes.
 
I am not excusing Liza behaviour; not even sure if it is all that bad. But it is pretty tough in Russia right now that a former world champion with three triple axels isn't competitive in her own country. Hopefully this will motivate her to improve her programs and content, edge on the flip etc. Also she needs to sell herself - hair, costumes.

Yea I feel for Liza because I did see improvement this week, she really tried to sell the program performance-wise and I think they upped her tech content / transitions. We’ll see how she responds next week at Skate America. It’s sad that all 3 of the older girls have made such great improvements this year but may get lost in the shuffle since there are physically not enough spots for everyone.
 
I am not excusing Liza behaviour; not even sure if it is all that bad. But it is pretty tough in Russia right now that a former world champion with three triple axels isn't competitive in her own country. Hopefully this will motivate her to improve her programs and content, edge on the flip etc. Also she needs to sell herself - hair, costumes.

But don't you think not getting on the world team last year, despite the great season she had, should have been enough motivation to improve more? The fed. picked someone else, who had a horrible season, over her. Shouldn't that have been her wake up call? Shouldn't that have made her more ready to fight and prove herself? Instead she showed up to the test skate and her two senior B events with the same old stuff. It's hard to feel sorry for her in that case
 
I have the right to place a link to highlights from award ceremony.

“The loneliness of Alena“? Are you serious right now? :rofl:

This is childish behavior at its finest and I do not mean Liza here. But well, it‘s definitely very interesting to see how the dynamics of this thread change. Last year Liza was the poor victim, the poor soul robbed by the evil, evil RusFed. This year... let‘s say the guards have changed. I wonder why.... :rolleye:
 
Liza is upset about jump GOE. She is human and adults don't judge others ( especially those they don't know personally) based on one reaction when they are upset. The judges who gave her low GOE on the best 3Lz in the ladies field should be called out. Adults don't expect perfection from others.

I think that her 3Lz in SP should get +3 GOE:

+1 "very good height and very good length"
+1 "effortless throughout"
+1 "very good body position from take-off to landing"

she definitely doesn't have "steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry" and "element matches the music" (and btw, Kostornaya on her 3Lz has this bullet)

You can say - what about bullet "good take-off and landing"?

I will not say that she has a bad landing, but:

a) it's kind off little strange for me - she turns too sharply, I feel that she little bit "skidded", this is a phenomenon of the same nature as landing into rotation, but she, of course, controls it here. So, I myself don't consider that this a "bad" landing (but some judges apparently consider so and reduced the GOE), but and it's not "good" - it's just no bullet for me.

b) I'm pretty sure, that in case of large GOE judges start consider that landing is "good" only if skater has good one-footwork after landing (like this) or another cool difficult stuff as objective marker of really good landing (cuz, it just cannot be done properly without a good landing). Yes, this is not written directly, but this bullets, i quote, is "General recommendations", and judges, as a rule, do just that, and it’s right as for me (otherwise every mediocre skater will get high GOE)

So, for me she must have +3 GOE, it's +1.77 score, the judges gave her +1.57 score on 3Lz - I don't think that 0.2 score it's reason to do such a show in K&C.
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She is human and adults don't judge others ( especially those they don't know personally) based on one reaction when they are upset.

There is one important nuance. She had a huge UR on 3T - between < and <<. I don’t know why tech.panel didn't call it (may be they just scared?:laugh:), but you can see it with your own eyes - it is undeniable, at least it's definitely over 90. In this case - with such a huge scrolling blade on ice, the skaters know inside themselves that was UR. And they understand why their score is lower. Yes, UR wasn’t called (the wrong edge on 3F was called), but Liza didn’t know about it! And still she showed an open, demonstrative, disrespect for the judges, showing her thumb sarcastically. Many people did not like this, including me. It was unsportsmanlike behavior in itself and especially with this huge UR.

Liza is a really good skater, huge caliber athlete, she needs to stop looking for a solution to problems outside (bad judges! I will appeal to public opinion! I will post on instagram protocols with bad grades circled in red circles!) and take up painstaking, hard work. Only in this way can and should win. I really want to believe that she will do so - sport must be above all. Peace to all!
 
What's up with the dramatic title of the video "Loneliness of Alena"? That's a bit much. :laugh:

Great channel though! :agree:

I still recommend that you watch this video with an attentive, sympathetic look, instead of being distracted by the title, even if you don't like this title for some reasone. I felt sorry for Alyonochka and I named the video that way (I have the right to this on my YouTube channel, right?). Title not relevant.
 
I think that her 3Lz in SP should get +3 GOE:

+1 "very good height and very good length"
+1 "effortless throughout"
+1 "very good body position from take-off to landing"

she definitely doesn't have "steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry" and "element matches the music" (and btw, Kostornaya on her 3Lz has this bullet)

You can say - what about bullet "good take-off and landing"?

I will not say that she has a bad landing, but:

a) it's kind off little strange for me - she turns too sharply, I feel that she little bit "skidded", this is a phenomenon of the same nature as landing into rotation, but she, of course, controls it here. So, I myself don't consider that this a "bad" landing (but some judges apparently consider so and reduced the GOE), but and it's not "good" - it's just no bullet for me.

b) I'm pretty sure, that in case of large GOE judges start consider that landing is "good" only if skater has good one-footwork after landing (like this) or another cool difficult stuff as objective marker of really good landing (cuz, it just cannot be done without a good landing). Yes, this is not written directly, but this bullets, i quote, is "General recommendations", and judges, as a rule, do just that, and it’s right as for me (otherwise every mediocre skater will get high GOE)

So, for me she must have +3 GOE, it's +1.77 score, the judges gave her +1.57 score on 3Lz - I don't think that 0.2 score it's reason to do such a show in K&C.
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There is one important nuance. She had a huge UR on 3T - between < and <<. I don’t know why tech.panel didn't call it (may be they just scared?:laugh:), but you can see it with your own eyes - it is undeniable, at least it's definitely over 90. In this case - with such a huge scrolling blade on ice, the skaters know inside themselves, that was UR. And they understand why their score is lower. Yes, UR wasn’t called (the wrong edge on 3F was called), but Liza didn’t know about it! And still she showed an open, demonstrative, disrespect for the judges, showing her thumb sarcastically. Many people did not like this, including me. It was unsportsmanlike behavior in itself and especially with this huge UR.

Liza is a really good skater, huge caliber athlete, she needs to stop looking for a solution to problems outside (bad judges! I will appeal to public opinion! I will post on instagram protocols with bad grades circled in red circles!) and take up painstaking, hard work. Only in this way can and should win. I really want to believe that she will do so - sport is above all. Peace to all!


Um she does a lean back on a back glide with her free leg up and looking upwards, leading into it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRoYju-OPsY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m35s IMO, it's not an attractive entry, but it does make the entry more difficult/riskier than other lutz entries we're more accustomed to. It ain't pretty but it's "creative", IMO. I'd have given it a +3 too, because the landing did look a bit fought for (she covered it up well though)... +4's aren't out of line either. But that's a gorgeous lutz by any means.
 
This thread is so childish and ridiculous. Do we have any skating-related topics to talk about?

Try to analyse those triksels from a mathematical perspective, esp their geometry: how long, how far, how high, etc. because I think we have seen two triksels of a quality hardly ever seen before?
 
I have the right to place a link to highlights from award ceremony.

Liza and Betina & Sergey should be aware that putting yourself ahead and skating in front of the actual champions during the victory lap is a bad omen - your career goes downhill afterwards :biggrin:
 
age gap of russian ladies, not including B list rate skaters.

Tuktamsyheva - 25 years old
Medvedeva - going 20 years
Zagitova - 17 years
Samodurova - 17 years
Kostornaia - 16 years
Shcherbakova - 15 years
Trusova - 15 years
Sinitsyna - 15 years
Valieva - 13 years
 
age gap of russian ladies, not including B list rate skaters.

Tuktamsyheva - 25 years old
Medvedeva - going 20 years
Zagitova - 17 years
Samodurova - 17 years
Kostornaia - 16 years
Shcherbakova - 15 years
Trusova - 15 years
Sinitsyna - 15 years
Valieva - 13 years

Liza is 22, not 25.
 
Um she does a lean back on a back glide with her free leg up and looking upwards, leading into it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRoYju-OPsY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m35s IMO, it's not an attractive entry, but it does make the entry more difficult/riskier than other lutz entries we're more accustomed to. It ain't pretty but it's "creative", IMO. I'd have given it a +3 too, because the landing did look a bit fought for (she covered it up well though)... +4's aren't out of line either. But that's a gorgeous lutz by any means.

No, I won’t buy it - it's not "entry", it's transition. Not bad, btw

By the way, let's talk about her PCS. Can she be offended that she was given small PCS? I don't think so - she has a fifth PCS in this season! (Medvedeva - 35.60, Kostornaya - 34.14, Miahara - 33.96, Kihira - 33.64, Tuktamysheva - 32.94). Is it small to her? Maybe there was no increase of PCS after returning to the old choreography? No, it was - in Lombardiya was 31.76.

She really thinks that international judges will give 36.5 PCS as the St. Petersburg judges gave? :laugh: She has an average SS, she hasn't good spins, and it’s important - good spins is a powerful expression tool.

So what did she dislike about her total score? I think there was no objective reason for her strange reaction in K&C.
 
Liza is 22, not 25.

yeah sorry, she feels so much older maybe because she's been around for so long, I remember her since Leonova days it feels like they are almost same age. 22 years old is considered granny for a russian lady skater, Tuk even joked about this
 
What you wish for from the older competitors would be nice but it's not human nature.

Rather in the nature of some of the humans. As I've already said, just compare such behaviour with Alina. She can behave like an adult with dignity. Not only when it doesn't matter who had higher score like at JO, but also when she was beaten last season sometimes, you've never seen something like that from her. And from other Eteri's girls as well, you can see that they all show respect towards their competitors. Also japanese ladies are always very appreciative and warm towards others. I understand some frustration from Liza's side, but that's not the reason why to behave like an old hand towards a rookie.

I think from what we've seen so far, Sasha, Alena (if she puts the 3A in her SP), Anna, and Liza are likely to make the ladies' GPF.

Alina has a more difficult road ahead now that Alena has 3As, just as high GOEs, and her PCS is almost almost there. She goes against Alena twice and Rika once, so it depends on how close it gets. Evgenia has a similar road but if Sasha makes mistakes, she can beat her as Sasha doesn't have the PCS unlike Alena. Anna and Liza are set to go 1-2 at both their GPS, which would be enough for the final.

Was there a season when Alina wasn't sentenced to lose before the real comptition has even started? :biggrin:
2016/2017 - This will be a junior season of Marin Honda.
2017/2018 - This will be an olympic season of Evgenia Medvedeva
2018/2019 - Rika will be "tripleaxelling" her way to all medals.
Well, well. :coffee:
 
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