Exciting jumps during the next season (ladies, males & pairs)

[morninglight]

Who are likely to land difficult jumps in competitions during the next season?

I would look forward to seeing Kimmie's 3A and Brian and Plushenko do something special

 

[satorare]

Asa far as I know

Mao -- 3A+3T and 4Lo, solo 3A for SP
Nakano -- 3S+3Lo or 3F+3Lo
Ando -- 4S and/or 3S+3Lo
Takahashi -- 4F and 4T+3T

And someone said

Kostner was practicing 3Lz+3Lo
Meissner landed 3F+3Lo in practice

 

[flying camel]

I know its all about the points, but I want to see someone do something different. I would love to see a 1 loop 3 loop or 2 salchow 3 loop. I want to see someone mix things up, make it interesting.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'll wait and see.

 

[silver.blades]

Mao -- 3A+3T and 4Lo, solo 3A for SP

Can women attempt a 3A in the short as a solo jump? I thought the rules say it has to be a solo 2A.

 

[kandidy]

Can women attempt a 3A in the short as a solo jump? I thought the rules say it has to be a solo 2A.

Double Axel is a must n Sp,but you can also do Triple Axel as one of the other two jump components. Tonya Harding did triple Axel in her SP.

 

[SeaniBu]

Double Axel is a must n Sp,but you can also do Triple Axel as one of the other two jump components. Tonya Harding did triple Axel in her SP.

OK, I believe, but I am going to ask, Is Tonya doing a 3a in her SP the reason you think this or is it a known under the new sys? That seems like a hard one to find in the rules so I am going to leave it out to ask for a while and see.

I am really looking forward to Carolina next season regarding Jumps. And I know all the preyers in the world are going to make it happen, but if Fumie could just get a 3x3 to start her SP and LP, maybe a 3x3x1????

Kimmie should be a great one to look forward to IMO. I think next season will be good for her. Miki I hope keeps plugging away at that quad. I want to see it "live."

Guys I am going to be watching Takahasi, Oda and Johnny. Something is going to explode (in a good way) with one of these guys at the least.

As far as jumps and Plushy... I don't think anything will change there. There is no reason. He has whatever he needs already, and new choreography and he is GTG.

 

[gkelly]

The required elements for senior men's and ladies' short programs haven't changed since several years before the new system came in -- I think the last changes were in 2000-01.

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-153889-171105-nav-list,00.html
Download the Special Regulations and Technical Rules Single and Pair Skating and Ice Dancing 2006; those should be good for at least another year.

The Senior Short Program shall consist of the following required
elements:
Men
a) Double or triple Axel Paulsen;
b) One triple or one quadruple jump immediately preceded by connecting
steps and/or other comparable Free Skating movements;
c) One jump combination consisting of a double jump and a triple jump or two
triple jumps or a quadruple jump and a double jump or a triple jump;
d) Flying spin;
e) Camel spin or sit spin with only one change of foot;
f) Spin combination with only one change of foot and at least two changes of
position (sit, camel, upright or any variation thereof);
g) Two step sequences of a different nature (straight line, circular or
serpentine).
Ladies
a) Double Axel Paulsen;
b) One triple jump immediately preceded by connecting steps and/or other
comparable Free Skating movements;
c) One jump combination consisting of a double jump and a triple jump or two
triple jumps;
d) Flying spin;
e) Layback or sideways leaning spin;
f) Spin combination with only one change of foot and at least two changes of
position (sit, camel, upright or any variation thereof);
g) Spiral sequence;
h) Step sequence (straight line, circular or serpentine).

Therefore, ladies cannot use triple axel as the required double axel in jump a), but they could do a solo triple axel immediately preceded by connecting steps for b) and could do a triple axel in the combination c). No quads in the ladies' short program either.

Harding (once successfully) and Ito (at least once) did triple axels in combination, element c), back in the days when only one triple was allowed in the ladies' short. They just chose to do the hardest triple.

 

[Mathman]

So, could Mao do 3A out of steps (7.5) and 3A+3Lo (12.5) and 2A in the SP?

I think if someone starts doing a 3A consistently the ISU will likely change the rules to let this substitute for the 2A (like the men) and then require the other jumps to be different.

What would happen if a lady did a quad Salchow? Would it be scored as a triple?

 

[Mathman]

I know its all about the points, but I want to see someone do something different. I would love to see a 1 loop 3 loop.

That would be cool! Would that count as a combo (if so, you couldn't afford to give up the points -- you might as well do 3Lo+2Lo+2Lo and call it a day).

But if that first 1 loop is just an "unusual and difficult entry" to a solo 3Lo, it would be great.

 

[Tinymavy15]

i think that kimmie is going to focus on the jumps next season, and not try to be artistic as much. I guess she thought that it didn't pay. I thhink she will try the triple flip/triple loop... athough maybe just at the end of the season, or during important events. Mao as usuall will proabaly have thet best jumps, the most exciting i mean. I hope that miki can get that quad consistant.... she would really give mao a run for her money of she landed it. I highy doubt that we will see mao land a quad.... you can't do both... the triple axel and the quad. I also strongly belive that kimmie's triple axel is a thing of the past.

for the men.... i hope that joubert keeps trying for the three quads. he will need them with plushenko's return. Lambiel will probably try two, if he competes at all next season. Plushenko will probably only do one, becasue he seems to win with one.

THe german pair will probably have the best jumps.... i love this team... i hope that they can improve thier world standing next year... maybe even gold. I don't see anything amazing(welll maye the triple twists) from the other chinese pairs besides shen and zhao. I am going to miss shen and zhao sooooo much.

 

[flying camel]

I think adding the triple flip triple loop would be too risky for Kimmie. Isn't that her weak triple.

I so hope she has not given up on trying to be more artistic. She needs to find the right choreographer. Lori just does not work for her. She sems like a lost Ballerina

 

[Mafke]

Why are jumps only exciting if more revolutions are added?

In terms of jumps and combos, I'd like to see

2 one foot axel - 3sal - 2 loop (I think it would flow so well, maybe with a double toe added at the end as well)

2 inside axel - 3tl

2loop-3loop (I love double-triple combos and you never seem them anymore)


some moves I've heard but don't necessarily recall having seen

toeless lutz, split flip, split lutz, 1.5 flip, double walley, double one-foot salchow

I also wouldn't mind seeing some planned doubles, in many ways the jumping technique is clearer in doubles rather than triples.

(not a chance in hell under the stifling COP system though )

 

[silver.blades]

How can you do a one foot Sal or Axel? I'm assuming they take off and land on the same foot?

 

[Sylvia]

How can you do a one foot Sal or Axel? I'm assuming they take off and land on the same foot?

Yes. For a counter-clockwise rotator, the one-foot Axel takes off on the left forward outside edge and lands on the left back inside edge. At a club competition last weekend, a Juvenile level skater performed a cool one-foot axel-double salchow (combination) to double flip jump sequence. There currently isn't a special IJS abbreviation for a one-foot axel, so the detailed protocol sheet read 1A+2S+2F SEQ.

 

[Sylvia]

So, could Mao do 3A out of steps (7.5) and 3A+3Lo (12.5) and 2A in the SP?

No. The current rules for the Senior Ladies SP are:
Jumps: quadruple jumps are not permitted
Jumps: the double Axel cannot be repeated as the solo jump or in the jump combination
Jump Combo: may consist of the same or different double or triple jump; but included jumps must be different than solo jump

 

[gio]

I'll skip the ladies

Men
-I would like to see the quad lutz from Plush
-a program with four quads

Pairs
there are a lot of jumps that aren't done frequently or at all
-sbs triple loop
-sbs triple flip
-sbs triple lutz
-sbs triple axel (this is just fantasy as for now)
-sbs double axel, half loop, triple salchow
-sbs triple jumps, double loop combos
-sbs triple/triple combos

 

[layman]

Afraid for Kimmie

I am afraid for Kimmie trying the loop combo's too as that's how Tara Lipinski and Michelle Kwan blew out their hips (and truth be told...the loop was a weak jump for both Kwan and Lipinski just as it is for Kimmie...none of them got the spring in the loop that Mao and Miki get).

I just don't think the few extra points will be worth Kimmie's hip and career.

 

[morninglight]

Have Jeff and Johnny landed a quad in any of the competitions?

 

[goldenskates]

I am afraid for Kimmie trying the loop combo's too as that's how Tara Lipinski and Michelle Kwan blew out their hips (and truth be told...the loop was a weak jump for both Kwan and Lipinski just as it is for Kimmie...none of them got the spring in the loop that Mao and Miki get).

I just don't think the few extra points will be worth Kimmie's hip and career.

you dumb ***. Tara's loop was a strength for her.