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Alena Kostornaia

I'm glad to hear that Aliona knows that she needs to learn a quad. She won this time around because Sasha and Anna made mistakes (like they did at JGPF last year), but Aliona can't always rely on others making mistakes. If she wants to keep winning, she will have to increase her technical content. :yes:

From what I could tell of the auto-translated Russian comments on the Channel 1 FS video, TAT suggested that Aliona should be able to learn how to do a quad flip because she gets so much height on her 3F. I still am a bit worried that trying a 4F will mess up her gorgeous 3F, but I also feel like her 3S is not that high, so a 4S might be hard. I don't know... :think: Realistically speaking, though, if she hasn't been actively working on a quad already, she probably won't have an opportunity to do so until after Worlds, or possibly between Euros and Worlds (of course, assuming she makes those teams). Personally, I think it might be better to stabilize her existing content and aim to do it completely clean this year and work on a quad over the summer... :biggrin:

So, originally I thought a flip as well. But I saw something intriguing in her warm ups. She had a really delayed rotation for her 3Lz. So much so that she had enough time to put a whole extra rotation into the jump without any additional height. There is one instance specifically but she did it a few times where the lutz just looked... ready, almost. I know her lutz edge is poor, but it seems like, if they’re working a lot on the lutz to improve the edge, it may actually be a pretty good way to go. I also pick out her 3T. It is always higher than the first jump in the combo. The flip she has this sort of hammer so it makes me think it may actually not be as simple.

Also, now that Aliona has swept the Grand Prix Series, there’s something I’m thinking of that I said at the beginning of the season. She got her 3A out of nowhere. She said she landed it on the second attempt trying it, and she didn’t bother with a harness. She owed this to newfound determination following the test skates, and while obviously there is self motivation, I think Eteri is a genius.

I remember saying that there was no way her FS was a program from Sambo-70, considering the 3-2 combo at the beginning. I thought it was still being changed and reworked or that Aliona was injured. How do you do a FS in this senior’s field where girls are doing 4-3 combos and 3-3 combos and nowhere in the top of the seniors field you see a double besides an Axel? Even without the quads, there had to be a better way to manage her technical base value and her jumps.

But there was an interview with Daniil and he said you cannot force a student to jump a quad or a triple axel. They have to want to and then the coaches will assist. Aliona was OBVIOUSLY capable of the 3A, she was just psychologically not ready. I think that Eteri and Daniil gave her an intentionally weak program perfectly set up to maximize her BV if the 3-2 was a 3A-2T. They knew she could do it. All that was left was to just do it. And having that 3-2 seems, compared to her training mates almost shameful. She knew she would lose. For fear of getting left behind you as an individual are motivated to work harder, to try things you’re afraid of. We know her mentality... you do not compete for second.
 
Hmmmm, as a current world record holder, I'm not sure she needs to be worried about increasing her technical content. As her PCS can still increase, she's capable of scoring 250 points without a quad.. And how many guys can consistently score over 250 points, let alone girls? And if some girl does, can she keep doing it when hit by puberty? I think Alenka is quite OK without a quad...

I agree with this so much, if we analyze her protocols she actually has never had a squeaky clean FS with maximum GOE, she got StSq Level 3 for her GPF FS, UR-ed 3A in NHK and FinTrophy, and carrots in IDF 's combo.. i think she can reach 250 if she continue improving her stamina and technique without risking a new ultra-C element....

I do not think she absolutely did not need a quad, she definitely more than capable, but it is not worth the risk in the middle of the season, i had a war flashback with her withdrawing because of injuries :(
 
Actually, as an Aliona fan, I do NOT want her to get a quad right now. The Olympics are two years away still and with her current technical layout, she‘s doing just fine. She‘s just won GPF with two record scores after all. Sure, she won‘t win every competition with the technical layout she has but the goal shouldn‘t be winning everything anyway. Pacing is a wonderful thing and I believe it is ever more important in the skating world we have now - full of ultra c elements. No need to risk injury now and force a quad. She was injured last season already. No, I want Aliona to keep her layout just the way it is at the moment and just work on perfecting it. If in one year she realises she can‘t win anything without a quad, yes, then absolutely go for it. But now? Just not worth the risk.
 
I'm glad to hear that Aliona knows that she needs to learn a quad. She won this time around because Sasha and Anna made mistakes (like they did at JGPF last year), but Aliona can't always rely on others making mistakes. If she wants to keep winning, she will have to increase her technical content. :yes:

As an ex-athlete nothing made me more sad than this phrase, winning because of somebody's mistake, she won because she had far superior components in FS, far superior elements in her SP (she break her own WR), the others making mistake does not make Alyona's winning at the expense of other's 'mercy', what made her continue to thrive even after watching the others made mistake? how could she land 3As when Sasha couldn't and land a perfect combo when Rika couldn't? that is the reason she's winning, and until the others can top her strategy, she will continue to win :agree:
 
As an ex-athlete nothing made me more sad than this phrase, winning because of somebody's mistake, she won because she had far superior components in FS, far superior elements in her SP (she break her own WR), the others making mistake does not make Alyona's winning at the expense of other's 'mercy', what made her continue to thrive even after watching the others made mistake? how could she land 3As when Sasha couldn't and land a perfect combo when Rika couldn't? that is the reason she's winning, and until the others can top her strategy, she will continue to win :agree:

This is twisting Batsuchan's words. It was not said for the purpose of slandering Aliona's victory. It's not about looking into the past abut about looking into the future and considering strategy in long perspective. Which is what Aliona herself does.
 
from what little she said in an interview this weekend, i do think she's working on a quad. i always thought it would be a sal, but a flip from her would be lovely. i think it's her best jump. i sort of hope it's not a lutz, mainly because of the edge issues she's had.

i doubt she would include it anytime this season, but she knows she needs one in the future to keep up with Sasha and Anna. i think it's only a matter of time before they change the rules and allow quads in the SP, which only until then Aliona has the edge. she knows this and will need to be prepared.
 
I’m wondering if it could be a quad toe? Also, her sal is quite high when she does it as a solo jump - look at the size of it in her exhibition programs this season. Even the one she did at DOI was massive...I see potential, but she only now mastered her current content clean. Maybe she will want to skate it clean a few more times vs. adding in more content right away. She’s already upgraded 3x this season - first at test skates repeated lutz instead of toe, then at Finlandia adding 2 3As (swapping out a 2A and lutz), and then in France upgrading to a 3A in the SP. her magic truly shines through when she skates perfectly clean and allows her effortless skating to shine - jumps, transitions, etc. She and her team definitely know this and they have to be strategic when adding in new elements. She also has to make sure her component score doesn’t suffer, as it is majorly important in helping her close the gap against skaters with higher tech content.
 
quad toe and quad sal IMO are biggest potentials. I think Tarasova even said Aliona can get a quad at the end of her 3F-3T combo, her 3T although a second jump, is just so big!

She'll need quads eventually. While Anna and Alexandra have not yet got all their weapons ready, Aliona has almost approached her maximum scoring potential.
GOE and PCS are already approaching their limits, so I expect further increase, but not a substantial one.
Her PCS I think will rise more, next season too, but TES wise right now it's practically maxed out, unless she gets a loop combo. That won't still be a big increase though.

so 85 - 162, I can see increasing a little more, but not substantially, unless new jumps come.
Whereas our Dragon queen, once she nails 3A in the short, and gets her free clean-ish, her scores will skyrocket, she will go into 80+ and 170+ easily.
 
I just saw the graphic that measures the height and distance of a jump applied to Sasha's quad flip from this weekend, and I noticed that the height she gets is very similar to the height Alyona gets on her 3A, give or take a few centimeters. I know every jump is different, but if she can get that much air time on an axel, I think she could definitely accomplish a quad, especially with the added assist of the toe pick if she goes for a toe jump. I'm not sure I want to see her go for it this season, but I think the potential is there.
 
I agree with this so much, if we analyze her protocols she actually has never had a squeaky clean FS with maximum GOE, she got StSq Level 3 for her GPF FS, UR-ed 3A in NHK and FinTrophy, and carrots in IDF 's combo.. i think she can reach 250 if she continue improving her stamina and technique without risking a new ultra-C element....

I do not think she absolutely did not need a quad, she definitely more than capable, but it is not worth the risk in the middle of the season, i had a war flashback with her withdrawing because of injuries :(

I agree and I feel like she absolutely should not attempt it this season, she should continue cleaning up her program and if she keeps consistently doing that she will continue to see a rise in GOE and PCS because the judges clearly love her skating just as much as the rest of us. I think winning worlds is possible without the technical risk and she can continue to up the technical content in the seasons to come, she has time. I so want her to be olympic champion, she really is such a beautiful skater.
 
I saw this interview as well--apparently Dasha almost lost her shoes in the pile of toys! Still, it would've been HILARIOUS if they had gotten stuck and had to wait for some people to come and pull them out. :rofl: I feel like that is exactly the kind of thing that would happen to Aliona though! :biggrin:

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Some other stuff:

1) I forgot to mention it yesterday, but Aliona finally won the PCS battle in the FS, and she was the ONLY skater to score above 70 in PCS!
It's what she deserves! :yes2:

2) Selfie with Yuzu: :love:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B51HKSKp5To/
(If you can't tell, Aliona is closest to the camera, with the grey sweater with the yellow stripe on the arm.)

3) Organizing a jump photo with Nathan:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B50r2OjJewx/ :luv17:

4) New video interview (translation is in the comments):
https://www.instagram.com/p/B50dyLiov1G/

I'm glad to hear that Aliona knows that she needs to learn a quad. She won this time around because Sasha and Anna made mistakes (like they did at JGPF last year), but Aliona can't always rely on others making mistakes. If she wants to keep winning, she will have to increase her technical content. :yes:

From what I could tell of the auto-translated Russian comments on the Channel 1 FS video, TAT suggested that Aliona should be able to learn how to do a quad flip because she gets so much height on her 3F. I still am a bit worried that trying a 4F will mess up her gorgeous 3F, but I also feel like her 3S is not that high, so a 4S might be hard. I don't know... :think: Realistically speaking, though, if she hasn't been actively working on a quad already, she probably won't have an opportunity to do so until after Worlds, or possibly between Euros and Worlds (of course, assuming she makes those teams). Personally, I think it might be better to stabilize her existing content and aim to do it completely clean this year and work on a quad over the summer...

I'm eagerly awaiting banquet photos but haven't seen any yet! :biggrin:

Well... I was asking myself if youtube subtitles got it right when tarasova was speaking ... she said the 3F easily could be turn in 4 F that had to much heigh and space ... well if you see that the other 2 of the 3A have a 4F ... I think at this stage kostornaia probably is training one or have one ... but I think Eteri is only going to put that on a program if she nails it 99% of the time ... because she could win most of time without one ...
 
This is twisting Batsuchan's words. It was not said for the purpose of slandering Aliona's victory. It's not about looking into the past abut about looking into the future and considering strategy in long perspective. Which is what Aliona herself does.

Hello, I'm sorry if my reply offended anyone especially Batsu-chan. I, of course, know Batsu-chan is probably a bigger fan of Aliona than I will ever be and I know they will never mean harm. I was coming from an athlete perspective and psychology, that it was something that would made me upset, instead of accusing anyone of slander. I hope Aliona can maintain having optimistic mindset and always giving herself sense of reward, knowing what works for her in the long term, because I'm sure everyone would want her to have longevity in the sport.

I hope this clear any misunderstanding, sorry! :luv17:
 
Hello, I'm sorry if my reply offended anyone especially Batsu-chan. I, of course, know Batsu-chan is probably a bigger fan of Aliona than I will ever be and I know they will never mean harm. I was coming from an athlete perspective and psychology, that it was something that would made me upset, instead of accusing anyone of slander. I hope Aliona can maintain having optimistic mindset and always giving herself sense of reward, knowing what works for her in the long term, because I'm sure everyone would want her to have longevity in the sport.

I hope this clear any misunderstanding, sorry! :luv17:

No problem at all! :luv17: Please continue to post long and often LuffyJackson! :agree:

Of course I have nothing but praise for Aliona for delivering two clean programs when she needed it the most, and she skated a clean FS after her teammates scored 160+, which couldn't have been easy. :cheer2:

As flanker mentioned, though, I am thinking more about Aliona's longer-term prospects, particularly in the Olympic year (assuming she and team Russia can get to the Olympics). :yes: Right now she has a big PCS advantage, but that may shrink as the other girls improve, and in the Olympic season other full-package skaters with quads will also be on the senior level. So I do think she needs to work on a quad (or two) seriously in the off-season, and this would be absolutely necessary if they allow quads in the Ladies' SP next year. :yes:
 
Some random stuff from me:

1) Today's my birthday and of course I celebrated by having dinner at a Russian restaurant. :biggrin: But I got my birthday present already--seeing Aliona win the GPF with a record score was all I could've wished for!! :love:

2) Aliona's back in Moscow, and members from Kostornaia Team gave her flowers:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B53Ai2sokRM/

3) Banquet photos, finally!
https://www.instagram.com/p/B53W3Q1p_AI/
I like Aliona's dress! :luv17:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B529nycJaKV/

4) Did you all see Aliona folding the Russian flag very neatly while they were taking photos at the medal ceremony?
https://twitter.com/mekooow/status/1203477425050406914?s=03
Aliona always seems like such a goofball that I was surprised/impressed to see her treating the flag with such reverence. :yes:
(The captions on the video are basically making fun of the fact that Anna/Sasha kinda skated off without her, and Aliona was like, 'wait for me!' :rofl: )
 
No problem at all! :luv17: Please continue to post long and often LuffyJackson! :agree:
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Hi, Batsu-chan! I wish you a wonderful birthday!

If the time shall come when quads are allowed in Ladies SP, I think the PCS weighing should also be raised, to 1.0 or even greater if the general competition has not adapted to the quad revolution (currently only 4 ladies including quads in the program).
 
Hi, Batsu-chan! I wish you a wonderful birthday!

If the time shall come when quads are allowed in Ladies SP, I think the PCS weighing should also be raised, to 1.0 or even greater if the general competition has not adapted to the quad revolution (currently only 4 ladies including quads in the program).

Thank you! :thank:

Yes, I definitely think the PCS weighting should be changed so it's the same as the men's (for both SP and FS), or possibly greater. :yes:
 
I think I will forever wish that she could just keep performing this program. It's a real masterpiece.

it is, one of my absolute favourite programs of all time. Already here, Alyona was beyond measure in her artistry and totally convincing delivery of a routine without any actual theme. This brought her 3rd place in the National Championships at 14 and made the whole world of figure skating aware of her, a Visitor from the Future.

I hope she'll revisit Dos Cadenzias with her present full arsenal of technique and even more improved artistry someday and elevate the program even higher :-)

Tutberidze's 2020 Show of Champion perhaps?
 
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