2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[fabienne1996]

Who would challenge 3a at Euros? Even with junky skates I think they’d sweep pretty easily.

It also depends on them too. But the question is also even if they take the podium at euros will at the end of the day they also be the team for worlds? The euro champion definitely the other 2 can be changed.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Who would challenge 3a at Euros? Even with junky skates I think they’d sweep pretty easily.

I think it's possible that they can sweep it easily but then on the other hand,,,,,,,this has been said for the russian ladies seasons and seaons after another and it just doesn't wanna happen

 

[fabienne1996]

Worlds team only 1 of 3A? Nyet to that. ISU has the attitude of everybody gets to come not just the best but Russia cannot afford to do that. They need to win more than ever as a country and these young girls will give Pride to a beleaguered Sports industry in Russia tainted again by being banned from the Olympics as the Russian Federation.

What in the world are you talking about zounger? No one else in Russia can compete with 3A. Liza and Zhenya shockingly blew their grand prix events and a spot in the Grand Prix final to Bradie and that needs to be held against them the entire season. They don't deserve any benefit of doubt this season. Russia needs to sweep ladies world's podium and that's doable with 3A. If one of the three a cannot make it to Europeans or world's due to injury then you slip somebody else in there but that's the only way that happens.

Thing is that is your opinion and it may not be the opinion of the ones whole will decide in the end. Also in the end I do not think that they look so much on the gp series cause what's more important is rusnats, .

 

[Edwin]

The clips I linked to earlier are now available world wide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG5rQh_ebS8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fAP2nWgbCE

Hopefully we will get the same backstage and behind the scenes clips from Nationals, both from training, in advance, during and after the competition.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

It also depends on them too. But the question is also even if they take the podium at euros will at the end of the day they also be the team for worlds? The euro champion definitely the other 2 can be changed.

I’m curious now...have RusFed taken European podium winners of the ladies event off of the WC team in the past? Why would they even do that?

 

[Mishaminion]

I said a case that I think it's the most possible. But you come up and called it ridiculous. Anyway RusNats are not in my interests. I'm not planning to watch anyway. Just saying an opinion from betting perspective. I just found surprising the certainty that people think that all 3A will go. When the differences are one fall apart.

They're certainly the favourites.

However that's not what you said and another poster has pointed it out already.

 

[Tolstoj]

4CC is intended to be the equivalent to Europeans. It is for non-European countries.

It's always interpreted differently depending on what's more convenient.

For example you can make a case for Kazakhstan to compete at the Europeans and that's exactly what they did in Football to compete in the UEFA competitions (because they are so much more valuable than any asian cup)

The same could be said for Russia where if you look at the population and the density, most russians live in the western "european" part but geographically the country has more asian lands.

 

[Scott512]

Thing is that is your opinion and it may not be the opinion of the ones whole will decide in the end. Also in the end I do not think that they look so much on the gp series cause what's more important is rusnats, .

Of course it's my opinion and it should be the opinion of the Russian Federation. But they play silly games sometimes. The Grand Prix series is a great body of work. Russian Nationals is not even though it is very important. We know who the three best skaters in Russia are and then there's a big drop down to say Zhenya or Liza and Liza for some reason the judges do not appreciate even after seven years as a senior.

It should be a fascinating week at Russian Nationals with lots of excitement and emotions.

 

[Scott512]

Each and everyone of the top 5 would deserve a spot. Any other country would be lucky to have just one of them. And no we do not know. Mabye the first 2 spots yes but the 3? That's he one that is decided by the council and not by where they stood at rusnats. We do not know hos those that make this decision will decide. Could very well be that most do not want only eteri coached students. Mabye they will send all 3 if they are all on the podium. But who knows. We certainly do not know. Also big question is which will depend on how the chosen 3 will do at euros. Will it be the same team who will go to worlds

You make some good points but Russia needs to be focused on winning especially at Worlds and there are three skaters that get them the best chance to do that. You can't count on the other three disciplines in Russia anymore so it's up to the ladies to sweep as many podiums as possible to make up for the other three disciplines which seemed to developing some quality depth in those three disciplines but no greatness like they have with the ladies.

Because the three girls are so young and this is their first senior season they should go to euros and worlds. Unless one of them is injured of course. Let's be honest the Russian B Team could probably sweep euros. The B team is now Alina evgenia and Liza. But Alina is taking a break so the B-Team isn't as strong when you slide up Stanislava or Sofia to the B Team. For whatever reasons those two performances have cratered this year. They both desperately need really good Nationals as do all of the nastias. Careers are really on the line for some of these young ladies.

 

[Nord Stream 2]

Let's be honest. Liza and Zhenya will not go to the Olympics.
Liza is too old, Zhenya lacks qualifications.

3A should gain as much credibility as possible in these 2 coming seasons.
They, the second coming of the goddess Alina and the next generation of Eteri should bring Russia medals from Beijing. This will be what the population of our country wants. Spit on everyone else.
THE MINISTRY OF SPORTS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION understands its task. If RusFed inserts sticks into the wheels and tries to show its character, they will be sent to grow tomatoes in their garden.
The jokes are over. Russia needs new beautiful young characters. The whole world should get used to new stars and a permanent first place for Russia. And if the old farts do not understand this, serious guys will correct them.
I am sure that the judges will be super honest at the top of the standings. How will they judge Gubanova and Gulyakova? Few people care about it now. This is where judges can show their greatness. They will be allowed. But no more than that.

For 3A, the main thing now is to be healthy and show at least 80% of your capabilities.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Let's be honest. Liza and Zhenya will not go to the Olympics.
Liza is too old, Zhenya lacks qualifications.

3A should gain as much credibility as possible in these 2 coming seasons.
They, the second coming of the goddess Alina and the next generation of Eteri should bring Russia medals from Beijing. This will be what the population of our country wants. Spit on everyone else.
THE MINISTRY OF SPORTS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION understands its task. If RusFed inserts sticks into the wheels and tries to show its character, they will be sent to grow tomatoes in their garden.
The jokes are over. Russia needs new beautiful young characters. The whole world should get used to new stars and a permanent first place for Russia. And if the old farts do not understand this, serious guys will correct them.
I am sure that the judges will be super honest at the top of the standings. How will they judge Gubanova and Gulyakova? Few people care about it now. This is where judges can show their greatness. They will be allowed. But no more than that.

For 3A, the main thing now is to be healthy and show at least 80% of your capabilities.

Let's be honest. We don't know who is going to the olympics, not in russia, not in the deepest ladies field right now. Declaring someone a clear winner is just foolish because we know how that as turned out after sochi or even after Pyeongchang. We cannot possibly know who is gonna win or even go. We can't even know who is winning worlds THIS SEASON

 

[Nord Stream 2]

Let's be honest. We don't know who is going to the olympics, not in russia, not in the deepest ladies field right now. Declaring someone a clear winner is just foolish because we know how that as turned out after sochi or even after Pyeongchang. We cannot possibly know who is gonna win or even go. We can't even know who is winning worlds THIS SEASON

Yes, we do not know anything. But we can assume that someone will definitely not be at the Olympic Games in two years. Or maybe on ice.

 

[Ziotic]

We don’t even know that any of the ladies will be able to participate at this point. So best not to crown a champion this far out.

 

[macy]

We don’t even know that any of the ladies will be able to participate at this point. So best not to crown a champion this far out.

exactly...did anyone think Alina would have been OC back in 2016 when she debuted as a junior, 2 years before? no, everyone had already crowned Zhenya. skating is so unpredictable and so many things can happen in 2 years. predictions this far out are just pointless.

 

[pesto]

It's always interpreted differently depending on what's more convenient.

For example you can make a case for Kazakhstan to compete at the Europeans and that's exactly what they did in Football to compete in the UEFA competitions (because they are so much more valuable than any asian cup)

The same could be said for Russia where if you look at the population and the density, most russians live in the western "european" part but geographically the country has more asian lands.

It's largely historical, isn't it? Before the 4C started in 1999, Russia (and the USSR previously) had always competed in Europeans, so continued to do so.

It does make for a fairly balanced split. Obviously, each discipline will go up and down in global strength, but with Russia included as "Europe", then "Europe" is approximately as strong as the rest of the world combined. Without Russia, that would not be the case.

 

[Nord Stream 2]

We don’t even know that any of the ladies will be able to participate at this point. So best not to crown a champion this far out.

I completely agree.

But RusFed should give a certain impetus to the favorites. Try to be a trendsetter in women's figure skating. To “Russian champion” was equal to “Best in the world”. The highest quality jumps, the most fashionable choreography, the biggest hype in the media and so on. This is their main task.

 

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I think it's possible that they can sweep it easily but then on the other hand,,,,,,,this has been said for the russian ladies seasons and seaons after another and it just doesn't wanna happen

Last season the team was nowhere close to 3A. The year before there was Caro competing. The year before there was Russia's sweep. This time 3A are light years ahead of any European skater. Who can challenge them? Alexia Paganini? Nicole Schott? Angelina Kuchvalska? It's not even funny.

 

[ruga]

I believe Russian sweep at Euros is more or less inevitable this year. A very specific series of events would be required to happen for a different situation.

And I agree that it's too early to give out places for the Olympics. There may be a skater that isn't special enough yet to be under our radar, like Alina was. Current favorites may start to struggle - a skater in her first year can be completely different in her third. Not to mention that juniors are unpredictable as well - they may be consistent now, but face problems later and vice versa. Both Evgenia and Liza have chances to make it as a lot can happen in two years.

 

[Mishaminion]

Too bad they can't send 3A, Zhenya and Liza all together to these competitions!

Every one of them deserve it in one way or another.

 

[Jontor]

I’m curious now...have RusFed taken European podium winners of the ladies event off of the WC team in the past? Why would they even do that?

No, they haven't and they won't.