2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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- Jan 10, 2014
Not surprised at the results. Anna has a very difficult long program. Alyona not her best skate. Sasha tired hard but fell on some important jumps. The best skater won.
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- Nov 19, 2017
Frolova was robbed. She should be 4th.
At 6th place I doubt they will include her in national team funding (as they should) - since they definitely will be supporting both Zagitova and Medvedeva, In other words it means two places in national team is already occupied. Considering that officially only six skaters can be there and last season was only 7 at max (sacrificing one place in men's team just for it) - I feel sorry for Frolova.
At 6th place I doubt they will include her in national team funding (as they should) - since they definitely will be supporting both Zagitova and Medvedeva, In other words it means two places in national team is already occupied. Considering that officially only six skaters can be there and last season was only 7 at max (sacrificing one place in men's team just for it) - I feel sorry for Frolova.
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- Mar 11, 2018
When do we find out the team for euros (I.e. substitutes)?
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- Jan 5, 2019
Self guiding pocket rocket she is, this Sasha ;-) Thinking on her feet to save herself from a disaster (i.e. not making the Euros/Worlds team as she seemed to be afraid of in the hot seat interview) is what distinguishes a fighter: always looking for an opening, no matter how cornered in ....
That final moments with Tuktamysheva on the hot seat: when Trusova's scores come in, her eyes went round before realisation sunk in that she was bumped. Overall routine composition by Tutberidze/Gleikhengauz/Dudakov saved their pupil while professor Mishin's couldn't save hers.
Aleksandra has learned a valuable lesson and after the first disappointment seemed to accept her situation quite readily.
Where are the interviews, but the contestants must be emotionally drained, so perhaps later?
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- Dec 9, 2017
All 3 girls have different personalities and emotions. Unless they're coming out and saying they deserved to win over another or the judges were wrong, they all have good sportsmanship. I don't understand when people say skaters should "graciously accept their loss and not cry". Some people are just emotional/show their emotions more; you can be both emotional and gracious.
I think Anna is very rational with her skates/placements. She is passionate in her skating and you can see the upset when she doesn't do well, but it never looks devastating overly disappointing. And in her interviews, she talks about her mistakes very analytically and says she will work on them, then looks forward to the next competition.
Sasha's reaction was surprising, but I guess that makes sense because this was a much poorer performance than we've ever seen from her. I don't think she's sad about losing; she's always been pretty happy in her losses (JGPF and JGP). I think she's more upset that she didn't land her quads, especially since she has yet to show a clean FS and she just did it in the run through earlier. She just loves her quads.
Alena is very emotional and you can tell she really wants to win. She's reminds me a lot of Alina (though Alina seems more upset when she makes mistakes vs. than actual placement); they're both very visibly affected by their mistakes. And they both have been seen crying in practice when their elements don't go well and this in turn affects the rest of the program. Didn't Daniil also say that Alena and Alina were the most emotional in the group?
There is no personality that is "better" than another, they're just different. Although from a competitive standpoint, it's advantageous to be able to get over your mistakes quicker.
I think Anna is very rational with her skates/placements. She is passionate in her skating and you can see the upset when she doesn't do well, but it never looks devastating overly disappointing. And in her interviews, she talks about her mistakes very analytically and says she will work on them, then looks forward to the next competition.
Sasha's reaction was surprising, but I guess that makes sense because this was a much poorer performance than we've ever seen from her. I don't think she's sad about losing; she's always been pretty happy in her losses (JGPF and JGP). I think she's more upset that she didn't land her quads, especially since she has yet to show a clean FS and she just did it in the run through earlier. She just loves her quads.
Alena is very emotional and you can tell she really wants to win. She's reminds me a lot of Alina (though Alina seems more upset when she makes mistakes vs. than actual placement); they're both very visibly affected by their mistakes. And they both have been seen crying in practice when their elements don't go well and this in turn affects the rest of the program. Didn't Daniil also say that Alena and Alina were the most emotional in the group?
There is no personality that is "better" than another, they're just different. Although from a competitive standpoint, it's advantageous to be able to get over your mistakes quicker.
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- Feb 10, 2018
Oh c'mon, you people often talk as if BV was something that comes to the skater from the heavens, undeserved gift to someone who didn't do anything for it. Having this BV is not like "we just put something into the intended content and maybe it would work". You don't have a terrible skate because you fell from two quads, I bet there are plenty of skaters who even if they would have fallen from the doubles, nobody would have said they had a terrible skate. Apart from those two falls and a popped 4T Sasha had perfect two combos, 3Lz-3Lo and 4T-Eu-3S, that's what I call redemption within a program. So the fact that she had higher TES than let's say Kseniia Sinitsina means that within four jumping passes Sasha was able to cover to loss of point from the other three unsuccesful passes. Apart from that, her overal performance didn't fell apart after the two falls and was in fact significantly better than at the beginning of the season.
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I have to say, bit of an aside I guess, but I found it horrendous how after the skates the cameras were soooo intrusive in trying to film the skaters reactions - as Sasha came off the ice to Eteri and co she was crying her eyes out and blatantly didn't want a camera in her face and yet they kept trying to find a way to show her sobbing. Found it very distasteful and disrespectful to a young girl :noshake:
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B6n4MyfJxsR/
An iconic photo done again!
An iconic photo done again!
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- Dec 9, 2017
Is this true, though? If Sasha had done triples instead of the quads she fell on, she would've scored higher, no? I think she got most of her TES on her layout (the jumps she did land) and the quad combo in the second half.
Quads aren't the only thing to contribute to BV, though. The key is the layout of the entire program. Otherwise Liza would've been winning everything when she was the only woman landing 3As.
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- Nov 19, 2017
I missed that somehow. Is there a video with this moment?
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- Jun 21, 2003
Well, she just got vinced by Anna and Aliona.
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It was on the 1tv.ru live stream in the small in-screen window, don't know about YT.
TAT again avoided at all cost to mention Tutberidze or her team by name, barely even recognising the skaters unless unavoidable. It was sort of hilarious and I really hate the way she pulls everything back to herself, prattling about her experiences, her friends.
Ted's commentary is so much better, he was even appropriately struck with awesome silence over quite a few skating moments today. So glad Channel One hired him, and by all means and known accounts, this decision and Ted's commentary were appreciated the world over and made this an unforgettable event.
Today has been an emotional roller coaster right from 0500 AM when I rose to watch the program run thoughs, following a couple of live streams during the day, adding a few postings here and there but above all enjoying and even rejoicing in some of the most exciting and best skating.
Russian press can wait till tomorrow, what can words convey we have seen with our own eyes?
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To me, it is more the hard numbers rather than my or someone else's opinion.
Anna beat all rivals by 10 points or more on base value, and this was because of her three quads. That's just a fact. Of course it's impressive.
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- Jan 5, 2019
FFKKR press conference with the medalists in womens' single skating from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_3UkzyX7_w
Alyona has her BFF Dar'ya for emotional support
The desk microphones were all on and one can hear the girls talking between themselves, giggling etc.
Anna answered most of the general questions, but I couldn't clearly understand many.
The questions were about the emotions they lived through, quad and quint jumps, the neutral flag ...
and suddenly Eteri Georgiyevna walked in and took her wards away for a couple of minutes.
Alyona has her BFF Dar'ya for emotional support
The desk microphones were all on and one can hear the girls talking between themselves, giggling etc.
Anna answered most of the general questions, but I couldn't clearly understand many.
The questions were about the emotions they lived through, quad and quint jumps, the neutral flag ...
and suddenly Eteri Georgiyevna walked in and took her wards away for a couple of minutes.
28 Russian National Championships since 1993
12 different winners
6 wins - Maria Butyrskaya 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99
4 wins - Irina Slutskaya 00, 01, 02, 05
4 wins - Adelina Sotnikova 09, 11, 12, 14
3 wins - Elena Sokolova 03, 04, 06
2 wins - Ksenia Doronina 07, 08
2 wins - Evgenia Medvedeva 16, 17
2 wins - Anna Shcherbakova 19, 20
1 win - Olga Markova 94
1 win - Ksenia Makarova 10
1 win - Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 13
1 win - Elena Radionova 15
1 win - Alina Zagitova 18
12 different winners
6 wins - Maria Butyrskaya 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99
4 wins - Irina Slutskaya 00, 01, 02, 05
4 wins - Adelina Sotnikova 09, 11, 12, 14
3 wins - Elena Sokolova 03, 04, 06
2 wins - Ksenia Doronina 07, 08
2 wins - Evgenia Medvedeva 16, 17
2 wins - Anna Shcherbakova 19, 20
1 win - Olga Markova 94
1 win - Ksenia Makarova 10
1 win - Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 13
1 win - Elena Radionova 15
1 win - Alina Zagitova 18
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How many spots are there in the main national team when it comes to funding?
Anna S., Alena K., Alexandra and Liza T. are pretty much guaranteed to remain in the main team. Alina and Zhenya most likely too. That's 6. If she moves to seniors, which is likely with her SB score, Ksenia S. should be in it too. That's 7.
Anna S., Alena K., Alexandra and Liza T. are pretty much guaranteed to remain in the main team. Alina and Zhenya most likely too. That's 6. If she moves to seniors, which is likely with her SB score, Ksenia S. should be in it too. That's 7.
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- Dec 9, 2017
But Sasha had a much higher BV than even Anna, and she didn't win. Anna won because of her combined BV, GOE, and PCS. Isn't that how anyone wins, quads or no quads?
Anna also had the same BV at GPF, but she didn't win there either. She lost to her rival who has 10 less BV points. With no quads, actually.
Just like any competition, it depends on how the skaters execute their elements, and the balance of all their qualities, including but not limited to BV.
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I used to be one of the people who thought that they should simplify Sasha's FS to two/three 4s cause she was never going clean and that really affects her overall impression on the judges+fans.
But now we've reached heights at which she simply cannot do that anymore, cause Anna and Aliona have upped their technical game so drastically, while having much better PCS than her.
I was really scared for her today, when she missed the first 3 jumps I feared she might end up in 4th. I hope she can produce at least one clean free this season and shut up some of the hostile critics dying to see her fail just to be able to say: "Aha! Quads suck, told you. "
But now we've reached heights at which she simply cannot do that anymore, cause Anna and Aliona have upped their technical game so drastically, while having much better PCS than her.
I was really scared for her today, when she missed the first 3 jumps I feared she might end up in 4th. I hope she can produce at least one clean free this season and shut up some of the hostile critics dying to see her fail just to be able to say: "Aha! Quads suck, told you. "
