2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[SkatingFan9]

That's why I compared them at GPF, when both had a fall and other mistakes. It's comparable. Anna was scored 3,20 higher. That's the only international competition we have seen this year with both of them.
At Rusnats Anna had +4,58 in PCS in the free, but Sasha wasn't clean. Had she been clean I think they might have raised her PCS with 1 maybe 2 points, but I think Anna would still have been ahead.
And in the short when both were clean Anna had +1,24 over Sasha in PCS. That can be translated to at least a +3-4 point advantage in the long.

Anna has the PCS edge now. But I agree Sasha's PCS will probably rise at Europeans and Worlds...but so will Anna's.

Only 1 more point in PCS for not falling on two quads and popping another quad? Really?

Let’s wait and see what each of their PCS looks like once Sasha has a clean skate and also gets her inevitable PCS boost like Anna has so far. Then we will see what needs to happen for them to beat one another.

Looking at Sasha’s PCS right now is pointless since we have not seen her perform anywhere near her best, which leaves a negative impression on the judges who won’t give her a much higher PCS until she does.

 

[Jontor]

She has enough BV right now, if she gets very favorable GOEs and Anna messes up on 1 of her jumps then she'll win. Earlier in the thread when there was talk that she's learning a 4S - as they have all seen with other senior skaters in their group, if you aren't improving then you are falling behind. And she's going to know better than us because she trains with Anna, but Anna's talked about learning the triple axel, I believe she made a comment about wanting to put it in before the end of the season. Kostornaia is only capable of winning with her no quad routine right now because Shcherbakova and Trusova can't do a quad in the SP and currently don't have triple axels in their planned content (*Trusova fell on it at the GPF and the jump was removed prior to Nationals); the second either 1 of them lands a triple axel in the SP then Kostornaia might only be looking at a 2-4 point cushion if her content doesn't change and her FS would need to have nationals inflation and a little extra to win against a cleanish 3-quad+2 back-loaded 3-3's Anna or a 4 quad + 1 back-loaded 3-3 Trusova.

Agree. But we mustn't forget that all these quads (and 3A's) are very very difficult to do, there always tend to be a mistake. So, the one who is the cleanest wins.
Anna was almost clean at RusNats (she lost about 4 points on that stepout on the 4F), but it was the best she skated this season. She might not achieve that again.
Sasha, I think, is the proof that this hard content is superhard to achieve clean. She hasn't been remotely clean all season.

I think Alena is quite safe as it is - if she's clean. But it's true, if the others get that 3A, Alena would be in trouble.

 

[Jontor]

Only 1 more point in PCS for not falling on two quads and popping another quad? Really? ��

Let’s wait and see what each of their PCS looks like once Sasha has a clean skate and also gets her inevitable PCS boost like Anna has so far. Then we will see what needs to happen for them to beat one another.

Looking at Sasha’s PCS right now is pointless since we have not seen her perform anywhere near her best, which leaves a negative impression on the judges who won’t give her a much higher PCS until she does.

Yes. Really!! And 1-2 points more was generous of me.

Do you seriously think that Sasha, with a clean skate, would have gotten better PCS than Anna? As I said, the short program, when BOTH were clean, showed what the judges thinks.

But what is Sasha's best? I start to wonder. So far it seems that she overloads, and misses because of that. Have we ever seen a clean competition from Sasha?

 

[SkatingFan9]

Yes. Really!! And 1-2 points more was generous of me.

Do you seriously think that Sasha, with a clean skate, would have gotten better PCS than Anna? As I said, the short program, when BOTH were clean, showed what the judges thinks.

But what is Sasha's best? I start to wonder. So far it seems that she overloads, and misses because of that. Have we ever seen a clean competition from Sasha?

No, it was the opposite of generous. It was more like wishful thinking on your part.

What was the difference in PCS in the SP at Nationals between Sasha and Anna? Only 1.24? That’s nearly negligible.

Right now, Anna has the PCS advantage over Sasha. Do you want to know why? Because Sasha has yet to perform anywhere near her best and that leaves a negative impression on the judges. Also, once she starts winning gold medals, she will get the inevitable “reputation” boost as well. Also, she should be expected to get a PCS boost regardless that most skaters get once they are no longer new seniors. It’s only a matter of time.

Sasha’s best is when she skates clean and how she intended to. She can do it all in practice, but whether it’s due to bad luck or enormous pressure, she hasn’t been able to do it in competition yet. That will change soon, you can rest assured.

 

[Jontor]

No, it was the opposite of generous. It was more like wishful thinking on your part.

What was the difference in PCS in the SP at Nationals between Sasha and Anna? Only 1.24? That’s nearly negligible.

Right now, Anna has the PCS advantage over Sasha. Do you want to know why? Because Sasha has yet to perform anywhere near her best and that leaves a negative impression on the judges. Also, once she starts winning gold medals, she will get the inevitable “reputation” boost as well. Also, she should be expected to get a PCS boost regardless that most skaters get once they are no longer new seniors. It’s only a matter of time.

Sasha’s best is when she skates clean and how she intended to. She can do it all in practice, but whether it’s due to bad luck or enormous pressure, she hasn’t been able to do it in competition yet. That will change soon, you can rest assured.

The question remains though. When was Sasha clean? Has it ever happened? If not, all that boosting you are talking about is not gonna happen. You can rest assured.

 

[SkatingFan9]

The question remains though. When was Sasha clean? Has it ever happened? If not, all that boosting you are talking about is not gonna happen. You can rest assured.

Patience.

 

[Jontor]

Patience.

LOL!

You're right about that.

Well, me too want to see a clean Sasha soon. I hope it comes this season. But I really think that the Eteri gang should work on her psychologically. She needs to cool down and not overload at competitions. That's my recipy.

 

[Scott512]

Does anyone know what happened between those 2? There’s obviously no love lost between them.

What 2? if it's the two I think you're talkin about everyone knows what happened between them.

Happy New year

Happy New Year Fabi and to Golden Skate!

it looked to me Eteri was more annoyed the camera was on her than anything. and if Trusova was smiling, i highly highly doubt it had anything to do with the announcement...those girls were in the zone about to compete. their minds are on their programs.

I pretty much agree with what you said. EG look very annoyed that the camera was on her right after the public announcement was made about Zhenya. Not fair to Eteri. But not everyone sees things the same way you and I did. I think Eteri cared about Sashas struggles in her free skate and that Sasha did not come close to Anna or aliona and was crying afterwards like we had never seen before. Eteri's greatest test as a coach may be coming up with trying to see if these 3 amazing three talents can stay together long term. So far so good and the girls absolutely adore each other which helps a lot. They are coming up together and growing up together and becoming great together and that helps a lot as well.

 

[Mathman]

What was the difference in PCS in the SP at Nationals between Sasha and Anna? Only 1.24? That’s nearly negligible.

I think these these numbers show why PCSs actually do not contribute much to a skater's placement. Let's say one skater gets straight 9's (yay! wonderful!) and the other skater gets only 8.5's (eh ... everyone at this level gets 8.5 just for showing up).

That's only a 2 point difference in the SP (36 to 34). This is easily wiped out by loss of GOE for a turn-out, or by levels on spins, etc.

 

[Jontor]

I think these these numbers show why PCSs actually do not contribute much to a skater's placement. Let's say one skater gets straight 9's (yay! wonderful!) and the other skater gets only 8.5's (eh ... everyone at this level gets 8.5 just for showing up).

That's only a 2 point difference in the SP (36 to 34). This is easily wiped out by loss of GOE for a turn-out, or by levels on spins, etc.

Yes, most of the "PCS" these days are actually the GOE's.

 

[nussnacker]

It's hard to tell for sure what her facial expressions are due to all the botox

This joke is so overused and sexist :-/
If she had some procedures done, it doesn’t look excessive and she looks quite youthful for her age.

 

[Scott512]

My first post of he new year and new decade! Happy new year to all and to all a good night.

PS - I hope Eteri takes 1/1/20 off and gives the kids a day off too.

 

[Azikin]

My first post of he new year and new decade! Happy new year to all and to all a good night.

PS - I hope Eteri takes 1/1/20 off and gives the kids a day off too.

Happy New Year! And may 3A sweep Euros and Worlds podiums as well!

 

[DSQ]

Sure but would they start doing so literally the moment Aliona or Sasha try it? I would hope not because that's pretty crummy, they would have worked hard to learn those jumps.

And for all the people fawning over Liza's practice of the 4T(and why not? It was a damn fantastic jump!) there were just as many going "I'll believe it when I see it in competition" and "Nice jump let's see her do it in program"

And people may like Liza but they sure seem to hate Mishin, according to them he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag!



This still ignores the fact that Liza might just be unable to do a 3A, a 3A combo and a 4T in one program. As far as I know only two ladies skaters in the world have attempted a quad and a 3A in a program, Alysa Liu and Rika Kihara, neither of whom seem to rate with a high number of people in this thread.



I doubt it, people would have been up in arms if Sasha hadn't got to go after being in GPF and winning her events. The best that would have happened is the two might have had to go head to head in another Russian Cup Final face off.

Although I guess it would have been interesting to see how TAT would have reacted to that. She screwed Liza over last season along with the Coaches Council, does she dislike Eteri more than she doesn't rate Liza? Probably not...

Pretty much everyone in this thread just what to see the Eteri skaters dominate, which they are. So why they feel they need to pick apart Liza's jumps and program layouts is a mystery to me. Just ignore her, she's not going to catch Aliona, Anna and Sasha anyway.

I think they do it out of love. Many want Liza to succeed and might not know personally her journey to this point which makes her layouts less mystifying. She has never had great stamina and if anything it’s gotten worse. It takes years to build up your stamina.

I don’t doubt that her layout is something they’re working on but whatever happens I think we’ve learned that she won’t give up.

 

[elysium]

The question remains though. When was Sasha clean? Has it ever happened? If not, all that boosting you are talking about is not gonna happen. You can rest assured.

If we only look at her more problematic FS, Sasha was almost clean at Japan Open.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Only 1 more point in PCS for not falling on two quads and popping another quad? Really? [emoji23]

Let’s wait and see what each of their PCS looks like once Sasha has a clean skate and also gets her inevitable PCS boost like Anna has so far. Then we will see what needs to happen for them to beat one another.

Looking at Sasha’s PCS right now is pointless since we have not seen her perform anywhere near her best, which leaves a negative impression on the judges who won’t give her a much higher PCS until she does.

Honestly I feel like Sasha already is at her max pcs(same with Anya and Aliona atm)....if Sasha would get a five poing rise solely for a clean program then that's just ridiculous because her free is a quad setup, that's all there is tbh.

I think we are all a bit spoiled by pcs anyways, since the pcs on average have just rose if you compare to a couple seasons ago

 

[Scott512]

Happy New Year! And may 3A sweep Euros and Worlds podiums as well!

I hope so too. With aliona taking gold in both. for sure world's. I don't really care which one of them wins Europeans. But Anna Ballerina is really growing on me. Something about her just seems perfect. Maybe it's her poise and demeanor. She would make a perfect ballerina that's for sure. As for Sasha I'm hoping she pulls back a little bit in 2020 and plays it a little safer with her free skate. But I don't know if that's in her DNA.

 

[Scott512]

Honestly I feel like Sasha already is at her max pcs(same with Anya and Aliona atm)....if Sasha would get a five poing rise solely for a clean program then that's just ridiculous because her free is a quad setup, that's all there is tbh.

I think we are all a bit spoiled by pcs anyways, since the pcs on average have just rose if you compare to a couple seasons ago

The big issue with Sasha is Anna is pushing her to do more since Anna has increased her free Skate to three quads and now she's adding a triple axel too. I'm sure Sasha feels the pressure of what Hannah is doing and what Alyiona does in her short program almost always having a big lead.

 

[Edwin]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5ySS0soWUb/

"(remember) How nice it was, last year:" "Congratulations, Alyona. Like we arranged, GPF is yours"
"Anna, you can have RusNats" "I'll take the World Championships"

 

[Arbitrary]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5ySS0soWUb/

"(remember) How nice it was, last year:" "Congratulations, Alyona. Like we arranged, GPF is yours"
"Anna, you can have RusNats" "I'll take the World Championships"

Being clean Sasha takes the gold. Every single error costs her one place. Provided, of cause, other top-girls going clean.
No trixels? Aliona is down.
No quads? Anna is down.