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And speaking of Sophia's Sofia Samodurova.
You know who else has great cheekbones? Miki Ando. You know who else? Sophia Loren. You know who else? Angelika Krylova. :yes:
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- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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Does anyone know what happened between those 2? There’s obviously no love lost between them.
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From what I know people knew about Zhenyas withdrawal well before it was announced in the arena. Her former teammates and former coach were focused on going out for warm-ups.
To me this was a very overrated incident. From what I saw Sasha was the only one smiling and I seriously doubt she was smiling for joy at evgenias withdrawal which she probably already knew. . Once Eteri so she was on camera and she turned away in the distain or the camera person for focusing on her after the announcement was made of her former pupils withdrawal. Maybe the camera person should remember who Zhenyas coach is and try to find him on camera.
No matter what anyone feels about this woman a most medvedeva fans can't stand her if this was sent to a fair court of law EG would be found not guilty. I rest my case.
Now on to more important things. When will Evgenias next competitive event be? Test skates in September of 2020? Why didn't she compete in the cup of Russia series? The Cup Final will come up and six or seven weeks and she won't be in it. It was the last event she won if I recall correctly.
Ted was repeating the info about Zhenya's withdrawal through most of the broadcast, first time he confirmed the rumors during the second group warm-up, so one hour earlier. If we omit the rumors that started even a day before (and were discussed here), I can't imagine that Eteri just like anybody else of the important persons didn't know what Ted knew at least an hour before this moment. And more than that, if I'm not mistaken, first time Zhenya's interview with the info about withdrawal was broadcasted by 1TV during pair's competition or after that and before ladies competition. It's just that people believe what they want to believe. Everything is a conspiracy, everybody (or this particular person) is focused only on another particular person. It used to be funny, now it's just annoying.
Does anyone know if Panova is getting more support from the Russian Fed? She seems quite capable and is already a top coach. Only apparent weakness being teaching ultra-c elements. (Perhaps resource related? And tbh, only Eteri's camp has mastered that.) Shame to see her keep losing all her best students.
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I know Ted Barton was talking about that at different aspects of his broadcast. And people were talking about it in this thread is she going to skate if she not going to skate so it was big news before the withdrawal and at the withdrawal. It's just a shame this happened to Zhenya. We can all agree about that.
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Top base value of what was performed in the 2020 Russian Nationals by the young competitors:
Shcherbakova 33.78 + 87.48 = 121.26
Trusova 32.41 + 77.00 = 109.41 no FP 2nd 4T
Kostornaya 37.65 + 70.15 = 107.80
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Shulskaya 31.93 + 60.64 = 92.57
Frolova 30.81 + 61.43 = 92.24
Tsibinova 27.79 + 62.54 = 90.33 no SP combo
Sinitsyna 23.71 + 63.54 = 87.25 no SP combo
Only Tuktamysheva got over 90 BV, all the others were under.
Shcherbakova the clear leader here
Surprised over Shulskaya, she is really good! Frolova, Tsibinova and Sinitsyna are probably almost equal with each other when cleanly. #TeamDavydov has a good quartet training in their group. Sinitsyna currently has only Tarakanova in #TeamPanova. And we can rate Vasil'yeva and Kanysheva (as last seen at Open Test Skates) probably equal with the afore mentioned.
Now, who to choose for the next season's national selection? Frolova and Kanysheva are born 2005, so too young.
I suppose Shulskaya would be the pride and joy of any European federation apart from Russia: artistic, conditioned, athletic, squeaky clean in her first Nationals.
But with relatively low GOE, IMO undeserved? Then again, these new girls were out to show themselves this clean and competent, and perhaps therefor a little restrained in their expression??
Is there a statistics available on how Valeriya Shulskaya would measure against any other skater apart from those with ultra-si? She is not in skatingscores.com.
The full and complete protocols are here: https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/rusnat1920_protocol_upd.pdf
Skatingscores.com is actually helpful, as one can sort the Mean BV column: https://skatingscores.com/1920/ladies/bv/ , to learn that anything above 90 is world class, since there are only 16 names.
With the Europeans coming, it shows that Viktoriya Safonona and Yekaterina Ryabova are the best non-Russians,
With the World Championships, it shows that only few more names can be added to the possible medalists on BV alone. It all comes down to delivery and execution of those skills, with or without federation, name or longevity bonuses ...
Shcherbakova 33.78 + 87.48 = 121.26
Trusova 32.41 + 77.00 = 109.41 no FP 2nd 4T
Kostornaya 37.65 + 70.15 = 107.80
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Shulskaya 31.93 + 60.64 = 92.57
Frolova 30.81 + 61.43 = 92.24
Tsibinova 27.79 + 62.54 = 90.33 no SP combo
Sinitsyna 23.71 + 63.54 = 87.25 no SP combo
Only Tuktamysheva got over 90 BV, all the others were under.
Shcherbakova the clear leader here
Surprised over Shulskaya, she is really good! Frolova, Tsibinova and Sinitsyna are probably almost equal with each other when cleanly. #TeamDavydov has a good quartet training in their group. Sinitsyna currently has only Tarakanova in #TeamPanova. And we can rate Vasil'yeva and Kanysheva (as last seen at Open Test Skates) probably equal with the afore mentioned.
Now, who to choose for the next season's national selection? Frolova and Kanysheva are born 2005, so too young.
I suppose Shulskaya would be the pride and joy of any European federation apart from Russia: artistic, conditioned, athletic, squeaky clean in her first Nationals.
But with relatively low GOE, IMO undeserved? Then again, these new girls were out to show themselves this clean and competent, and perhaps therefor a little restrained in their expression??
Is there a statistics available on how Valeriya Shulskaya would measure against any other skater apart from those with ultra-si? She is not in skatingscores.com.
The full and complete protocols are here: https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/rusnat1920_protocol_upd.pdf
Skatingscores.com is actually helpful, as one can sort the Mean BV column: https://skatingscores.com/1920/ladies/bv/ , to learn that anything above 90 is world class, since there are only 16 names.
With the Europeans coming, it shows that Viktoriya Safonona and Yekaterina Ryabova are the best non-Russians,
With the World Championships, it shows that only few more names can be added to the possible medalists on BV alone. It all comes down to delivery and execution of those skills, with or without federation, name or longevity bonuses ...
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You mistook Anna's and Aliona's BV for the free skate.
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Corrected, Shcherbakova is tops now
Higher value in step sequence brings a little, but ultra-si brings a considerable increase when carefully chosen and distributed.
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I think you mixed up the BVs for Shcherbakova and Kostornaya. I think I fixed the totals?
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Happy New year
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I wasn’t insinuating anything. Just thought this was worth a share considering the fact it contains information regarding the Russian ladies and this is after all the Russian ladies thread. Should I be insinuating anything? Clearly people on this thread have already started running wild accusing others of ‘conspiracy theories’ as is always the case. I mean the footage is what it is. I think it speaks plenty for itself, take away from it what you will.
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it looked to me Eteri was more annoyed the camera was on her than anything. and if Trusova was smiling, i highly highly doubt it had anything to do with the announcement...those girls were in the zone about to compete. their minds are on their programs.
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It looks to me like she could care less. Evegenia certainly was no threat to her skaters.
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Yeah maybe. Who knows right?
And Trusova if clean in the free would have been 32,41 + 90,10 (spins and steps as Anna) = 122,51. Not enough to win over Anna as she has the edge in PCS.
Which is interesting. Sasha's 4 quad program can't compete with a cleanish Anna. Which is because Anna's programs are maximized, Sasha's not. The gamechanger here was when Anna introduced her 4F. That replaced a 2A and she earns over 10 points more if she lands it. Sasha's 4th quad doesn't add that much as it replaces a triple. And Anna has two 4Lzs, Sasha two 4T - huge difference in points.
Trusova really needs that 3A now to beat Anna. Which is a bit funny as people still are saying that a clean Sasha is unbeatable. Well, she isn't, in fact, as it stands now, a clean Anna is unbeatable.
What will Sasha do if Anna gets the 3A before her? Another quad won't be enough.
When it comes to Shulskaya I think she was robbed in PCS. Maybe a bit hesitant and shy, but she was perfectly on the music all the time. I think she did a fantastic debut. She should have been ahead of Guliakova imo.
Two months ago we didn't know who Shulskaya was, and then she almost became the 2nd alternate to Europeans! Great stuff!
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I find this quite interesting too because it seems the international judges have really got behind Sasha this season but not so much Anna. But then she was already national champion and has just become a two time national champion. I wonder if this will change how she is scored internationally or if she will continue to be scored lower than Sasha.
That's true, the judges were really harsh on Anna at the beginning of the season. Sasha was scored better.
But the only time they met at the same competition, the GPF, the judges clearly had Anna above Sasha in PCS (+3,20 for Anna in the long and they both had a fall).
And it was the same story there, if Anna and Sasha had been clean in the long, they are tied because Anna has the PCS.
And if Sasha had replaced her 3A attempt at GPF with a clean 2A she still would have been 3 points behind Anna in the short.
As it stands now, if both are superclean, they tie in the long, but Anna wins it in the short program.
It's interesting that Anna has always been overlooked. Sasha was the "quadgirl", Alyona was the artistic one. No one really talked about Anna.
It will be really interesting to see how this will develop when they all meet again at Europeans and at Worlds with international judges.
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Sasha with 4 quads and a 2A can beat Anna with 3 quads and a 2A. It would be really close, but it can be done. Do you understand that Sasha would have seen a big PCS rise with a clean skate? It’s easy to say Anna has the PCS advantage when Sasha bombed what she intended to do. We still have not seen what a completely clean Sasha PCS would look like or the inevitable PCS boost that she should be expected to get sooner rather than later, but it’s safe to assume it wouldn’t be nearly as far behind Anna’s as it has been so far.
I also don’t take Sasha’s 65 PCS at the final of Grand Prix as the norm moving forward. Her PCS was lowballed and not something that she should expect moving forward.
That's why I compared them at GPF, when both had a fall and other mistakes. It's comparable. Anna was scored 3,20 higher. That's the only international competition we have seen this year with both of them.
At Rusnats Anna had +4,58 in PCS in the free, but Sasha wasn't clean. Had she been clean I think they might have raised her PCS with 1 maybe 2 points, but I think Anna would still have been ahead.
And in the short when both were clean Anna had +1,24 over Sasha in PCS. That can be translated to at least a +3-4 point advantage in the long.
Anna has the PCS edge now. But I agree Sasha's PCS will probably rise at Europeans and Worlds...but so will Anna's.
She has enough BV right now, if she gets very favorable GOEs and Anna messes up on 1 of her jumps then she'll win. Earlier in the thread when there was talk that she's learning a 4S - as they have all seen with other senior skaters in their group, if you aren't improving then you are falling behind. And she's going to know better than us because she trains with Anna, but Anna's talked about learning the triple axel, I believe she made a comment about wanting to put it in before the end of the season. Kostornaia is only capable of winning with her no quad routine right now because Shcherbakova and Trusova can't do a quad in the SP and currently don't have triple axels in their planned content (*Trusova fell on it at the GPF and the jump was removed prior to Nationals); the second either 1 of them lands a triple axel in the SP then Kostornaia might only be looking at a 2-4 point cushion if her content doesn't change and her FS would need to have nationals inflation and a little extra to win against a cleanish 3-quad+2 back-loaded 3-3's Anna or a 4 quad + 1 back-loaded 3-3 Trusova.
