2019-20 Russian Men's figure skating

[lariko]

But still. You know that the junior girls are tiny. and then seeing poor Daniil even smaller than Sofia Akatieva is just...
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8R1h_vpJyb/

This post also says that Kunitsa is the substitute for Jr.W. In which case even more congratulations to Mozalev for that FS.

 

[RemyRose]

This post also says that Kunitsa is the substitute for Jr.W. In which case even more congratulations to Mozalev for that FS.

Well I hope no one withdraws because Kunitsa doesn't have any miminums to go. Here's his ISU profile http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00035453.htm, he has no results listed internationally

 

[lariko]

I do hope nobody withdraws, b/c i hope everyone remains in as good health as they could be, but this seems to be Team Tutberidse Instagram and it says “from our group, the following (skaters) go to the World Championship: KV, DU, MKh and DS. GK is the first substitute.” I have no clue how they obtained a TES for him. Maybe there is some provision for first time international?

 

[RemyRose]

I do hope nobody withdraws, b/c i hope everyone remains in as good health as they could be, but this seems to be Team Tutberidse Instagram and it says “from our group, the following (skaters) go to the World Championship: KV, DU, MKh and DS. GK is the first substitute.” I have no clue how they obtained a TES for him. Maybe there is some provision for first time international?

No.

Having no minimums is okay for JGP or JuniorBs because you go there to earn minimums but not for Junior Worlds. That's like a senior trying to get to Euros/4CC/Worlds without minimums.

This is from the Junior Worlds announcement:

2.1 Minimum Score
Please refer to ISU Communications No. 2262, paragraph 7. Skaters/couples participating in the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2020 must have reached the applicable Minimum Technical Elements Score (for SP/RD and FS/FD) as follows:

SP/FS
JUNIOR MEN 23.00 42.00

The Minimum Technical Elements Score (not including Component Scores) is a Technical Score and must have been reached in an ISU recognized International Competition (as per Article 39, paragraph 7 of the ISU Constitution and Rule 107, paragraphs 1 to 10 of the ISU General Regulations) during the ongoing or immediately preceding season in both segments, Short Program/Rhythm Dance and Free Skating/Free Dance (See ISU Special Regulations Single & Pair Skating Ice Dance, Rule 378, paragraph 3). The required Minimum Technical Elements Score for the Short Program/Short Dance and the Free Skating/Free Dance to participate in Junior ISU Championships can only be obtained in Junior International Competitions. While the Minimum Technical Elements Score must be reached separately in each segment (not a total of the two segments), the Minimum Technical Elements Score for each segment may be reached at different competitions.

The Minimum Technical Elements Score must be reached 21 (twenty-one) days before the first day (first official practice day) of the Championships concerned (same as entry deadline).

JrW announcement: https://www.isu.org/docman-document...-championships-tallinn-2020-announcement/file

Deadline is Monday which is 3 weeks before first practice.

So I hope no one withdraws if he and Semenenko are subs because they can't be subbed in

 

[lariko]

Let’s just wait till we see the official list. I am sure someone will point it out.

Anyways, I am watching 4CC now, and in the words of Mulan’s Father, I’ll go pray some more for the dynamic duo of the senior Russian men.

 

[Sofia]

Yes, there are really going to be fierce battles at both WC and WJC. More praying needed for all the boys selected according to the sports principle

On a side note, it was glad to see Kunitsa, Semenenko, Kovalev and Vetlugin show their progress at Junior Nationals, although to different extents. Not that their skates could bring one back to their days of glory, but there's much more confidence that they are going to leave the rough years behind in a relatively short time. When they, along with Gumennik and Skirda, were already mini-stars on the national level as 11-13 year olds, Mozalev, Danielian and Yablokov, with about the same age, were not yet on the radar of the general viewers... (I can still remember what a surprise it was watching a video of Semenenko landing 3A in competition at age 11. That was before Tutberidze and Orser started trying 3A and quadruples on their novice boys. Still it turned out not a guarantee of much bigger success...)

 

[RemyRose]

Yes, there are really going to be fierce battles at both WC and WJC. More praying needed for all the boys selected according to the sports principle

I'm more worried about Senior Worlds. I go back to my original statement that top 12 for Artur and top 6 for Dmitri should be real goals. I hope they are not burdened by trying to bring home 3 spots, it will be difficult. Good luck to them.

 

[Sofia]

I'm more worried about Senior Worlds. I go back to my original statement that top 12 for Artur and top 6 for Dmitri should be real goals. I hope they are not burdened by trying to bring home 3 spots, it will be difficult. Good luck to them.

The Fed seems fairly realistic about spots, othwerwise they would not have decided on the participants right after Euros, but some people on the Russian net are still wanting too much. I hope the boys and their coaches just focus on skating clean and let everything turn out naturally. No additional risks introduced to their programs, minimal exposure to general online discussions...

 

[RemyRose]

The Fed seems fairly realistic about spots, othwerwise they would not have decided on the participants right after Euros, but some people on the Russian net are still wanting too much. I hope the boys and their coaches just focus on skating clean and let everything turn out naturally. No additional risks introduced to their programs, minimal exposure to general online discussions...

Usually they name the Worlds team after Euros. Last year was different but the hold up was the ladies team. I hardly doubt they were going to hold up the announcement because of the men until March. Their hands were tied with this team because Dmitri and Artur won their spots fair and square. What they think about gaining back 3 spots is anyone's guess.

 

[lariko]

I'm more worried about Senior Worlds. I go back to my original statement that top 12 for Artur and top 6 for Dmitri should be real goals. I hope they are not burdened by trying to bring home 3 spots, it will be difficult. Good luck to them.

I agree. My feeling is that the first three are going to be Chen-Hanyu-Brown. Aliev in top six would be glorious, and I think he can do it if stars align.

 

[RemyRose]

I agree. My feeling is that the first three are going to be Chen-Hanyu-Brown. Aliev in top six would be glorious, and I think he can do it if stars align.

Brown not so sure on the podium at Worlds but even so there is still Shoma, Vincent, Junhwan, Boyang and Kevin who will definitely challenge for top 6. Some will be at the mercy of the tech caller! Thankfully Yuma goes to JrW.

And that's 9 guys I don't think Artur passes unless they bomb, their PCS scores will be high. Then Han Yan, Tanaka, and Nam (or other Canadian) for Artur to struggle with. Han Yan and Tanaka the judges will not offend them on PCS so Artur needs to score high on TES. Plus the Euro guys behind Artur can improve!

As always, so hard to predict with the guys. Some can bomb, some can deliver surprises. This competition is going to be lit!

 

[Flying Feijoa]

Artistically my favourites were Vetlugin and Kutovoi: loved the skating skills from both, Vetlugin has ice dance level of flow, unfortunately he's a bit inconsistent with the jump. While Kutovoi did well considering he only had 2a.

Am a bit late commenting, but I thoroughly agree! Matvei and Andrei are still relatively young, fingers crossed they'll develop their jump arsenal with time. After all, across the ocean Andrew Torgashev (who has always had great skating skills but also cactus tendencies) has made great strides with the quad/3A in the past year, and he's 18.

Kutovoi's basic jumping technique looks alright (at least to my low-level skater's eyes), and since he shares a coach with Gumennik he's probably in good hands. Vetlugin has some funny tendencies (like dropping head into the 3A, or rolling right shoulder forward on 3F entry) so might need to invest time into breaking old habits. I like his coaches' supportive attitude in the KnC after the free skate, but maybe he could consider some outside help like a summer camp with a jump specialist.

 

[Lana05]

I agree. My feeling is that the first three are going to be Chen-Hanyu-Brown. Aliev in top six would be glorious, and I think he can do it if stars align.

Actually with score Aliev got (272,89) at EC he would be 3rd at 4CC. I can easily see him 3rd at Worlds.

 

[lariko]

Actually with score Aliev got (272,89) at EC he would be 3rd at 4CC. I can easily see him 3rd at Worlds.

I’ll have a heart in my throat for the entire competition.

 

[Sofia]

Brown not so sure on the podium at Worlds but even so there is still Shoma, Vincent, Junhwan, Boyang and Kevin who will definitely challenge for top 6. Some will be at the mercy of the tech caller! Thankfully Yuma goes to JrW.

And that's 9 guys I don't think Artur passes unless they bomb, their PCS scores will be high. Then Han Yan, Tanaka, and Nam (or other Canadian) for Artur to struggle with. Han Yan and Tanaka the judges will not offend them on PCS so Artur needs to score high on TES. Plus the Euro guys behind Artur can improve!

As always, so hard to predict with the guys. Some can bomb, some can deliver surprises. This competition is going to be lit!

Unpredictability...that's the main source of my interest in Men's FS nowadays

For Dima and Artur, basically there's little room for error (plus Dima not being really lucky with the tech caller, either, but it's out of the skater's control). Especially worried for them in SP where one glitch may cost them some good starting numbers in FS... Anyway they are the best choices Russia has now. Just hope that they fully believe in themselves and get their own business done, instead of having doubts and worries here and there, like me now

 

[MintGreen]

I'm more worried about Senior Worlds. I go back to my original statement that top 12 for Artur and top 6 for Dmitri should be real goals. I hope they are not burdened by trying to bring home 3 spots, it will be difficult. Good luck to them.

3 spots will require 3/10, 4/9, 5/8 or 6/7. None of the combinations sounds realistic to me. Of course anything can happen at mens event, but still it will require stars to align to make it happen in a certain way. I hope the RusFed stay realistic and be content with having 2 spots for next year, given how competitive and packed the mens field is.

Brown not so sure on the podium at Worlds but even so there is still Shoma, Vincent, Junhwan, Boyang and Kevin who will definitely challenge for top 6. Some will be at the mercy of the tech caller! Thankfully Yuma goes to JrW.

And that's 9 guys I don't think Artur passes unless they bomb, their PCS scores will be high. Then Han Yan, Tanaka, and Nam (or other Canadian) for Artur to struggle with. Han Yan and Tanaka the judges will not offend them on PCS so Artur needs to score high on TES. Plus the Euro guys behind Artur can improve!

As always, so hard to predict with the guys. Some can bomb, some can deliver surprises. This competition is going to be lit!

It is indeed a rather packed group. If everyone performs as expected, they can land anywhere from 3rd to 9th, with some have better chance to rank higher than others. Still, a small fluctuation can move the placement quite a bit.

The next group is not much better. We'll have to add Rizzo, Grassl, Deniss, Morisi and Brezina to the pack and these are already 18 skaters. For all other skaters, making into free skate will sound like a victory!

 

[flanker]

Actually with score Aliev got (272,89) at EC he would be 3rd at 4CC. I can easily see him 3rd at Worlds.

Possible, but still hard to predict. At Worlds, apart from Chen, there will be Shoma Uno, Vincent Zhou, Kevin Aymoz again, Jin Boyang is potentially also a rival. I don't know what score the judges will give to Jason Brown.

If Dima will receive something around his maf for the SP (cca 100 points) and over 180 points in the free, he definitely can have a medal, but has to be calm and clean.

 

[nussnacker]

I’ll have a heart in my throat for the entire competition.

Hahahah, I’m with you on this one.
Good luck to Aliev and Danielyan at worlds.

I hope that their qualities when it comes to PCS, will start being appreciated by the judges. Danielyan is a very very special skater!

 

[Tolstoj]

I wish both Dima and Danielian all the best.

I believe Aliev could medal at World's: he has the artistry, the performance and the quads.

If they just think about skating clean, keeping the momentum going from Europeans, there's very little to worry about the rest.

 

[RemyRose]

Roster for JrW is as expected https://fsrussia.ru/news/4910-sosta...hempionat-mira-sredi-yuniorov-v-tallinne.html
Samsonov, Gummenik, Mozalev
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