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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Historically, for the Russian JW team, they go with the national results. I prefer Sinitsyna so I'd rather her get the spot too, but she's not even that close if we look at the past, she didn't even medal at JGPF.

Here's what recent history looks like:
- Gubanova won silver at JGPF and actually held the junior world record for the free skate until Alina skated. She was passed over for JWs after finishing behind Konstantinova at nationals - now that was definitely controversial because if memory serves, she was relatively clean while Konstantinova missed her combo in the short
- Tarakanova won bronze at JGPF and was passed over for JWs after low placement at nationals - and maybe she was actually clean? I don't completely remember
- Kanysheva won bronze at JGPF and was passed over for JWs after sub-par nationals as well

Internationally, Sinitsyna definitely had the 3rd best season of all the Russian junior ladies, but compared to previous examples, I think the decision to chose Maiia over her would be even easier for the fed.
 
Sport Express evaluates the Junior National Championships

Who entered the junior team and will be the hope of Russia in Beijing-2022. Among them are students of Tutberidze

Results of the junior championship of Russia, where 12 tickets to the Junior World Championships in Tallinn were contested.

Indicative composition of the national team at JWC-2020

Girls: Kamila Valiyeva, Dar'ya Usachyova, Maya Khromykh
Boys: Daniil Samsonov, Pyotr Gumennik, Andrey Mozalyov
Pairs: Apollinaria Panfilova / Dmitriy Rylov, Kseniya Akhanti'yeva / Valeriy Kolyosov, Yuliya Artem'yeva / Mikhail Nazarychev
Dancing: Yelizaveta Shanayeva / David Narizhny, Arina Ushakova / Maksim Nekrasov, Diana Davis / Gleb Smolkin

In Saransk, the tournament which is approaching the status of a top event in the world of figure skating year by year, has concluded. Officially, the composition for the World Championships following the results of three days of competition has not been announced, but it can be predicted with almost 100 percent certainty.

Girls

All three skaters who will go to Tallinn are from Khrustalny. Kamila Valiyeva won outright, Dar'ya Usachyova became third, Maya Khromykh, who performed for the first time after recovering from a autumn injury - fifth. Sof'ya Akatyeva and Sof'ya Samodelkina, who got in between them, cannot go to the tournament because of age requirement.

Kseniya Sinitsyna, who is one of the few who can compete with Valiyeva in skating and sliding, failed in her short program, although she was one of the contenders for medals. Together with Anna Frolova, they took seventh and eighth place by 4-5 points from the national team selection. Even in the senior Championship of Russia, two juniors were higher - but there were only three representatives of Sambo-70, and here five were from Tutberidze alone.
Sinitsyna destroyed her chance by falling in the short program, Frolova in principle doesn't have very difficult program, she just didn’t 'fire off' in Saransk. The transition in the middle of the season from Svetlana Panova to CSKA turned out to be a controversial decision. It is noteworthy that during Anna's performances, Panova was still listed as her coach on the scoreboard.

Of the important results of the junior championship, it is worth highlighting unprecedented assessments for components for all of Tutberidze's students - 12-year-old Akat'yeva overtook 15-year-old medalist of the Grand Prix finals Sinitsyna, and GOE scores were generous. Samodelkina suggested that this was because of the impending World Championships, but it seems that this is a derivative reason.

Another detail that says a lot about the future of Russian figure skating is the complete absence of the Sankt Peterburg school in the Championship (15th and 17th places), but a worthy performance of the regions. Alina Gorbachyova from Tver region was 12th and could have finished higher even if an authoritative trainer stood behind her, Yelizaveta Osokina from Tatarstan was 10th, but she is already training with Yelena Buyanova and is already capable of jumping a quadruple Toeloop. In general, the regions have not yet been emptied, although they are pulling skaters from there with the power of a juicer.

The main rivals of the Russians in Tallinn are, of course, Alysia Liu, and now also the Korean Yong Yu, who has honed her triple Axel and has already won the Youth Olympics in January.

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(c) Дмитрий Кузнецов
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From: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...e-2022-sredi-nih-ucheniki-tutberidze-1640279/

More in depth from February 8:

Valiyeva said hello to Liu. And surpassed Medvyedeva, Zagitova and Trusova

13-year-old Kamila Valiyeva is the new Champion of Russia among juniors.

Gleikhengauz wanted to see all five first places with Khrustalniy's skaters

The Tutberidze team took the junior Championship of Russia in the girls for the sixth time in a row. In 2015, Yevgeniya Medvyedeva had 205.05 points. A year later, 210.04 from Polina Tsurskaya. In 2017, Alina Zagitova scored already 216.82. Then Aleksandra Trusova won twice - 212.09 and crazy 233.89 last year. Liu at the recent US Championship scored over 235.

2020 didn't see the collapse Tutberidze. Moreover - Kamila Valiyeva scored incredible results over Zagitova, Medvyedeva and even Trusova: 238.17. The winning score has never been this high. And she had no rivals, sine her closest competitor, Sof'ya Akat'yeva, trailed by 20 points. Of course, Kamila was evaluated generously - ahead of the World Championships. But she is perhaps the only junior who manages to combine technique and presentation in this way. This is what Daniil Gleikhengauz talked about in the side room after competition, surrounded by a crowd of infiltrated fans. In such tournaments, in general, everything is more liberal than in world's top competitions - getting to the stars is easier. And these stars are just absolutely world-class. But, the choreographer complained, it was possible to perform better. Five athletes from the Tutberidze team performed, and Khrustalniy did not take the fourth place.

There was no full hall on Friday, but there was more sensation of excitement. Students of Mordovian State University, who joked yesterday that they had come together in an organised manner because the pairs competing were too boring, this time chose to stay away and study. But there were young fans of figure skating from the village of Pochinki, 70 kilometers from Saransk, who arrived, sat in the aisle with home-made drawings and climbed over the railing for autographs.

Akat'yeva is satisfied with her two quads, Usachyova promises ultra-si

Otherwise, the state of junior figure skating cannot be called a Khrustalniy monopoly anymore. Relatives of Sof'ya Samodelkina were not very happy with the assessments - and this phenomenon is absolutely normal for parents. Sonya from CSKA was the only one who challenged Sambo-70, she competed amidst them in the final flight. But her triple Axels turned out with hard fought exits, and even with such a technical set, the ward of Sergey Davydov lost to Dar'ya Usachyova, who has not yet jumped ultra-si.

Perhaps even more surprising than Khrustalniy’s victories themselves is the attitude towards them. Both Gleikhengauz and all the medalists after the award ceremony noted errors in their skating runs and were generally modest. And very talkative for a junior press conference. Girls set a record for its duration - 15 minutes.

Sof'ya Akat'yeva said she was glad over jumping her two quadruple Toeloops successfully, but did not perform well in the second half of the program. And she admitted that she was worried, despite not being in selection for the World Cup:

“ I fight like this: I reassure myself that everything was fine during the training. And for this you need to train well. ” And she smiled broadly.

Daria Usachyova promised to finish the triple Axel and intrigued with a touch of coquetry, allowing for its appearance in the program already at the World Championships:

“ In general, I skated cleanly, but the last two elements did not get maximum assessment. I am glad I was selected for the World Cup. Separation from Kamila? I understand that you need to learn ultra-si, I'm going to insert a triple Axel into the program. And perhaps this will happen before the end of the season.

The brightest start of the season? The "Grand Prix" finals, where we skated with the seniors. I even managed to get acquainted with Yuzuru Hanyu and Nathan Chen. What did they say? Yes, well, it was like word by word, taking turns (laughs). Next, next. ”

Valiyeva follows Liu on Instagram

But the main star of the evening was, of course, Kamila Valiyeva.

“ I am pleased with my skating runs, if it were not for the step-out on the quadruple Toeloop, then everything would've been be perfect. It's great that I concentrated again on the second quadruple and jumped it cleanly. I was worried - a little because of excitement, also in some way over my technique. Not that I was worried about getting into the national team, any start is exciting. ”

-- Already thinking of Alysa Liu and the World Championship?

- We live today. Alysa is not here (laughs).

-- Good or bad, please tell?

- She is another strong rival that encourages me to skate better and do my elements stronger. So it’s good that she perform. But here, too, all the girls are good, strong, Sonya Samodelkina with two triple Axels ....

-- You watched the US championship where Alysa won?

- Sometimes you leaf through Instagram and watch: “Oh, there's Alysa!” And I look through small passages. We are subscribed to each other.

-- Yesterday, after the short program, Sonya Samodelkina threw gifts on the ice. Are you friends with her?

- Me and all the girls get along well, it’s just that me and Sonya Samodelkina are very familiar with another. Three years ago we went to the championship of Russia in the Younger Age all together, her, Sonya Akat'yeva, Maya Khromykh, Muravyova.

-- What was the most memorable start of the season?

- Probably, after all, the Grand Prix Finals. I was able to go out on ice after a fracture, tune in and skate out my free program cleanly. In the short I tried, but not that cleanly. It turned out to be a motivating lesson, gained experience.

-- Isn't it a shame that you are already at a high technical level, but cannot compete as a senior? Would you like to start already from the age of 14?

- Everything has its time. There is a rule that says you'r a sernior from 15 years old - that means from 15. If I take offense, my anger will change nothing. (Usachyova adds: they should allow us to enter the Russian Championship next year!)

-- You do not compare points? 238 points - this is a lot, at the level of Trusova, Shcherbakova.

- It is wrong to compare my results with theirs, juniors and seniors have different evaluation criteria, a points system. Seniors have an extra element, there is a spiral, we don't have this yet. And they are judged differently.

-- That is, you may still have a higher score.

- I hope so. But the seniors have more pressure on them than juniors.

-- By the final of the Grand Prix you didn't have time to restore your quadruples, but today there were beautiful Toeloops. Did you get them back after the finals? After a severe injury all the same?

- After the Grand Prix Finals, quite a lot of time passed, I managed to recover. In two months the leg healed. Therefore, it became easier to enter the Toeloop, there is no pain. Previously, every attempt at a quadruple gave me a very painful leg, now there is no pain.

-- The big start has concluded, will you rest? At least there will be a day off?

(everyone laughs) - We will probably have one tomorrow. But we did not end the season, only a competition. Time to relax a bit, we'll get when the season concludes, then we'll see. In less than a month there will be the Junior World Championship, before these, the Russian Cup Finals. That will be like competitive combat training. I hope there will be many spectators.

(c) Дмитрий Кузнецов
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https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...edil-kamila-valieva-eteri-tutberidze-1639957/

Competitive combat training, right? Juniors vs Seniors in the Cup Finals? It is surely going to be a spectacle in Velikiy Novgorod.
 
Sof'ya Samodelkina: “ My marks may have been low, but this is due to the selection for the World Championships ”

-- You threw toys to your rivals after their skating runs. Is this a tradition?

- Yes, I threw some to Kamila Valiyeva and Kseniya Sinitsyna. Kamila skates very beautifully, I really like her, I take her for my example. She has these spins, for example, which you can admire. Lisa Berestovskaya also threw to support them, we are still from the same group after all.

This is a lovely anecdote. Was any footage captured of this? Any photos or videos posted online?
 
I feel like this thread has gotten more and more nationalistic over the course of this season and it makes me uncomfortable to read things like "all the medals must be Russian" which then go on to vilify (junior) skaters who falter under the pressure. I am not Russian but I love many Russian skaters and have massive respect for the way their ladies have pushed the sport forward. However, Alysa deserves credit where it's due, only Valieva on the junior circuit can beat her if she skates clean or clean-ish. And this is using the same strategy Sasha had so it's quite hypocritical to expect a different result.

(If Sinitsyna, Usacheva or Kromykh can perform a clean program with an ultra-c element then it's a completely different story)
 
I feel like this thread has gotten more and more nationalistic over the course of this season and it makes me uncomfortable to read things like "all the medals must be Russian" which then go on to vilify (junior) skaters who falter under the pressure. I am not Russian but I love many Russian skaters and have massive respect for the way their ladies have pushed the sport forward. However, Alysa deserves credit where it's due, only Valieva on the junior circuit can beat her if she skates clean or clean-ish. And this is using the same strategy Sasha had so it's quite hypocritical to expect a different result.

(If Sinitsyna, Usacheva or Kromykh can perform a clean program with an ultra-c element then it's a completely different story)

Agreed, i'd even say that if Alysa skates clean, it'd be hard for a skater like Usacheva to beat her without any quads or 3A. Yes Valieva did that at GPF but because Alysa had mistakes.

Then of course a lot can vary depending on who's in the technical panel, when jumps are close to underrotations, and considering underrotation also mean negative GOEs usually, those can truly make the difference.

To me Alysa is expected to finish at the very least in the podium, it couldn't be otherwise with those technical contents. She is not jumping quad lutz and triple axel for a 4th place, that said as previously discussed, the russians have better skating skills, transitions, flow, etc and that should always be taken into account.
 
Agreed, i'd even say that if Alysa skates clean, it'd be hard for a skater like Usacheva to beat her without any quads or 3A. Yes Valieva did that at GPF but because Alysa had mistakes.

Then of course a lot can vary depending on who's in the technical panel, when jumps are close to underrotations, and considering underrotation also mean negative GOEs usually, those can truly make the difference.

To me Alysa is expected to finish at the very least in the podium, it couldn't be otherwise with those technical contents. She is not jumping quad lutz and triple axel for a 4th place, that said as previously discussed, the russians have better skating skills, transitions, flow, etc and that should always be taken into account.

Forget about Juniors. Alysa would be a threat for the podium at senior worlds. But she's stuck in juniors at 14 years old when Tara Lipinski won worlds, and I mean senior world's at 14. So not fair. It will be a fascinating Junior worlds with Kamila and Alysa. I just hope Liu Isnot bored being in juniors when she's won two senior Nationals in a row smoking a competition with record scores.

I wonder if Kamila is wondering why she can't compete at Russian Nationals when Alysa gets to compete at us Nationals.
 
Forget about Juniors. Alysa would be a threat for the podium at senior worlds. But she's stuck in juniors at 14 years old when Tara Lipinski won worlds, and I mean senior world's at 14. So not fair. It will be a fascinating Junior worlds with Kamila and Alysa. I just hope Liu Isnot bored being in juniors when she's won two senior Nationals in a row smoking a competition with record scores.

I wonder if Kamila is wondering why she can't compete at Russian Nationals when Alysa gets to compete at us Nationals.

Probably, it depends on how she'll grow, she's still very tiny, and the jumps are already a bit laboured.

It's clear USFSA is pushing her, just like RusFed with Samsonov. Maybe they are even preparing a plan B in case Alysa can't make the Olympics in the best shape possible. Plus we'll see the Russia ban how much will influence the next Olympics, that's also a big question mark.

As for Kamila, National rules change depending on what's the state of figure skating in the country: Russia did that as well, when Adelina Sotnikova won Senior Nationals at the age of 12 in 2008. Rules keep changing all the time, it's important to adapt.
 
Probably, it depends on how she'll grow, she's still very tiny, and the jumps are already a bit laboured.

It's clear USFSA is pushing her, just like RusFed with Samsonov. Maybe they are even preparing a plan B in case Alysa can't make the Olympics in the best shape possible. Plus we'll see the Russia ban how much will influence the next Olympics, that's also a big question mark.

As for Kamila, National rules change depending on what's the state of figure skating in the country: Russia did that as well, when Adelina Sotnikova won Senior Nationals at the age of 12 in 2008. Rules keep changing all the time, it's important to adapt.

Are the Russian figure skaters in peril of not going to Beijing in 2 years? I would hope not and I would think not.

It would be hard for Alysa Liu to be able to beat 3 great Russian girls in the next Olympics. But it's certainly possible. We know if she's healthy Alysa Liu will be at the Olympics. We don't know which of the three Russians will be there. A lot can change in the next 2 years.. Alysa has reportedly grown three inches in the last year. And we don't know what the next couple years will bring to her physically. I hope it's nothing too bad because she is an absolute joy.
 
Guys... completely inappropriate to discuss the weight of someone's kid.

Also please do not drag negativity from other places to Golden Skate. It is against the rules.

It is the Russian ladies thread so please keep the discussion to Russian ladies and not bloggers, children of bloggers or engaging in name calling.

If you see a post you think violates the rules REPORT it rather than RESPOND to it.
 
Sportsmanship from a very young age! :-)

They are still kids, they love to throw and receive plushies ;-)

There were also lots of sweets and chocolates thrown, and the sweeper girls were running to be the first to hand these over to the skaters coming right off the ice :-)
 
I feel like this thread has gotten more and more nationalistic over the course of this season and it makes me uncomfortable to read things like "all the medals must be Russian" which then go on to vilify (junior) skaters who falter under the pressure.
I assure you that is false impression of those who isn't frequenter of this thread. Many people here are in love with Russian ladies while being absolutely disconnected/neutral or even having negative attitude towards Russia as a state. Therefore when someone is saying that Russians should win - it is done due to admiring their abilities as skaters. It has nothing to do with nationalism.
I am not Russian but I love many Russian skaters and have massive respect for the way their ladies have pushed the sport forward. However, Alysa deserves credit where it's due, only Valieva on the junior circuit can beat her if she skates clean or clean-ish. And this is using the same strategy Sasha had so it's quite hypocritical to expect a different result.
(If Sinitsyna, Usacheva or Kromykh can perform a clean program with an ultra-c element then it's a completely different story)

I don't think so. Both Usacheva and Khromykh became much better in PCS and GOE side. With clean skates even without complex jumps it is highly likely that all of them are gonna get close to 210 mark. On other hand Liu even with ignored URs usually gets really low GOEs on her jumps. And 3A+3T combination in SP wouldn't even give her any advantage over higher PCS/GOEs of her rivals there. I would say she has equal chances to get silver as Usacheva and Khromykh now - if she will be completely clean. Any mistakes can cost her podium. As for Valieva? Sorry, I don't see clean Liu as rival to clean Valieva now when she returned her quads. It's surprising how some people here overestimating Liu basing their assumptions only on national inflated results. Like they are watching fs first day and is not capable to discern true quality of skating elements.
Forget about Juniors. Alysa would be a threat for the podium at senior worlds. But she's stuck in juniors at 14 years old when Tara Lipinski won worlds, and I mean senior world's at 14. So not fair. It will be a fascinating Junior worlds with Kamila and Alysa. I just hope Liu Isnot bored being in juniors when she's won two senior Nationals in a row smoking a competition with record scores.

In any other time period? Without doubt. In Eteri time? Lol, no :laugh:
 
Therefore when someone is saying that Russians should win - it is done due to admiring their abilities as skaters. It has nothing to do with nationalism.

Thank you for saying that. When I tried explain this to Lzbee, the moderators cleaned up the electronic reality.

When you are surgically made mute, it is not a very pleasant feeling.
 
I assure you that is false impression of those who isn't frequenter of this thread. Many people here are in love with Russian ladies while being absolutely disconnected/neutral or even having negative attitude towards Russia as a state. Therefore when someone is saying that Russians should win - it is done due to admiring their abilities as skaters. It has nothing to do with nationalism.


I don't think so. Both Usacheva and Khromykh became much better in PCS and GOE side. With clean skates even without complex jumps it is highly likely that all of them are gonna get close to 210 mark. On other hand Liu even with ignored URs usually gets really low GOEs on her jumps. And 3A+3T combination in SP wouldn't even give her any advantage over higher PCS/GOEs of her rivals there. I would say she has equal chances to get silver as Usacheva and Khromykh now - if she will be completely clean. Any mistakes can cost her podium. As for Valieva? Sorry, I don't see clean Liu as rival to clean Valieva now when she returned her quads. It's surprising how some people here overestimating Liu basing their assumptions only on national inflated results. Like they are watching fs first day and is not capable to discern true quality of skating elements.


In any other time period? Without doubt. In Eteri time? Lol, no :laugh:

Oh Liu could compete with Sasha and Rika for bronze and if she hits her tiple axels and quads..uh oh. :biggrin: But she is okay where she is. A showdown with KV for worlds gold will be good to see unfold.
 
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