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Thanks Tavi. At 15 having his coach induced so she doesn't miss his comp is a big deal. Kori was very dedicated to him for sure. I was on a plane with Kori and her two girls after SKAM 2016, heading for Denver. They were adorable. Was hoping to see Jason, but he always stays an extra day or two with his parents. Looking forward to watching these. Glad that you are busy and working!
 
Short Program: Jason looks like he grew a lot, which might account for the botched combo. He almost pulled it out. So the jumps were a bit wonky. The 2A was fine. The step sequence is so much better than 2009. He's working it with his whole body and is very engaged with the music. And he's playing to the audience. Spins are notably better. He's not traveling like he was in 2009. His camel is rock solid. He was a little slower than the music, ending just a couple of beats after the music ends. He's faster overall than he was in 2009, but apparently not quite fast enough. Score was good. I see that Max is outscori him, but looks like Josh had some SP issues. Those two bounced back and forth until Josh had to stop skating. But I think they pushed each other, which was good for both of them. I didn't mind the music. It was bouncy and he handled it pretty well. He does look younger than 15 in stature and facial features. This skate is new to me also.
 
I think it needs to be mentioned that it was Kori's own desire and choice to be induced. She was the one who was absolutely determined not to miss Jason's competition.

Jason (and his family) made no such request of her. I remember Jason recounting his reaction to her (premeditated) decision as something along the lines of (I am paraphrasing): OMG, you do *not* need to be going to such an extreme for my sake.

The regulars in this thread surely were well aware already, but if any infrequent visitors read the last several posts, I do not want them to misunderstand whose idea it was.
 
Freeskate: I thought he handled that skate very well. Once again, the spins are so much better than 2009. I liked that program for him, though that music is hard to dance to and is usually used for scenery movement in the ballet. It worked for this skate, though. And while Josh beat him in the FS, Jason won overall. To me, this skate looks like the Jason we know now was coming into being. It's a big, big leap from the year before when he was 14. The combo with the lutz looked a lot better in the FS. His lutz in general looked pretty good. The 2A looks so solid, that it kind of amazes me that he had some much trouble with the 3A, but it must have been the jump technique. The delayed rotation doesn't lend itself well to 3 1/2 rotations. It was also interesting to me to see who else was skating Junior that year. Of all the boys, Jason, Josh, Max and a surprising Sean Rabbit. I an unfamiliar with any of the other skaters. Two other notable juniors, The Shibs who won Gold as juniors and a very surprising Piper Gilles and Zach Donahue. I had no idea! So this was a really fun wayback machine! When we're all done and ready to retrospect, I plan to watch all of these again in chronological order. But one thing is for sure, while he is young Jason in this one, he is no longer Baby Jason.
 
I think it needs to be mentioned that it was Kori's own desire and choice to be induced. She was the one who was absolutely determined not to miss Jason's competition.

Jason (and his family) made no such request of her. I remember Jason recounting his reaction to her (premeditated) decision as something along the lines of (I am paraphrasing): OMG, you do *not* need to be going to such an extreme for my sake.

The regulars in this thread surely were well aware already, but if any infrequent visitors read the last several posts, I do not want them to misunderstand whose idea it was.

Anyone who knows Jason and his family would know that they would never ask a thing like that. Kori was a dedicated coach and took it very seriously. She deserves credit for that. I think that's why Jason mentions it here. He was kind of blown away that she would do that. And it explains why it was so hard for him to leave her, when he knew for quite a while that he needed to. It was very hard for both of them.
 
... The regulars in this thread surely were well aware already, but if any infrequent visitors read the last several posts, I do not want them to misunderstand whose idea it was.

Anyone who knows Jason and his family would know that they would never ask a thing like that. ...

Which is why I referred specifically to "infrequent visitors (to this thread)" in my post above.

It is possible that infrequent visitors to this thread would not know very much about Jason and his family.

And it is possible that infrequent visitors to this thread would not know very much about Kori's longstanding dedication to Jason.

It would be possible for a non-regular in this thread (as opposed to a regular like you, Bookseller) to misinterpret the comments quoted below:

... He said "she induced her just for me!"

... At 15 having his coach induced so she doesn't miss his comp is a big deal. Kori was very dedicated to him for sure. ...

Different wording -- such as "his coach wanting to be induced" instead of "having his coach induced" -- could have helped with clarity.

I know that you meant no harm to Jason, Kori, or anyone. Nor do I. :)
 
I think it needs to be mentioned that it was Kori's own desire and choice to be induced. She was the one who was absolutely determined not to miss Jason's competition.

Jason (and his family) made no such request of her. I remember Jason recounting his reaction to her (premeditated) decision as something along the lines of (I am paraphrasing): OMG, you do *not* need to be going to such an extreme for my sake.

The regulars in this thread surely were well aware already, but if any infrequent visitors read the last several posts, I do not want them to misunderstand whose idea it was.

Seriously? I don't think anyone misunderstood or will misunderstand. No drama necessary.
 
So I swear I’ll comment on all the videos soon! In the meantime, I have a quick, somewhat random and vaguely Jason-related thought.

While I’m teleworking at home (for the foreseeable future) and while the skating rinks are shut down, I decided I’d try to at least get in a brisk half hour walk most days. It’s better than nothing, right? I live in kind of an odd area that probably didn’t exist five years ago, and it’s a mix of newish apartment buildings, some minor retail, and a few tech companies. I was happy to discover that despite appearances, there are actually some sidewalks and pretty landscaping where I can walk safely. For the past couple of days my walk has taken me past what appears to be a big flat empty parking lot. It looks perfect for roller skating and I’ve actually been toying with buying some roller skates!

I know that Brian and Tracy have probably given Jason a training plan, but I’m really curious as to whether he and other elite skaters are scratching their itch to skate with roller skates or in lines, or if it would mess with their technique too much. Anyone know - @karne, any thoughts?

I’m a terrible skater so it can’t possibly mess with my technique. :)
 
... I know that Brian and Tracy have probably given Jason a training plan, but I’m really curious as to whether he and other elite skaters are scratching their itch to skate with roller skates or in lines, or if it would mess with their technique too much. Anyone know - @karne, any thoughts? ....

On Ashley Cain's Instastory, she has gone so far as to put out an appeal for someone who would be willing to sell her a pair of Pic Skates in her size.
She said (I am paraphrasing) that the manufacturer is not taking any new orders at this point ... or something like that.

In recent days, I have seen social media from a number of elite skaters who are using in-line skates. Mariah Bell sticks in my mind as one example.
ETA: Milly Murdock is another.​
 
what a difference a year makes in terms of skating! Jason is faster, more assured, no more traveling spins, the low position on the sit that we're accustomed to seeing, and some of those jump entries:eek:

The SP was much more engaging than the FS for me, and not just because it was peppy music. Although that's plus:agree: Seemed to have more choreo, more flourishes that were part of the program, and not just drama-tique. And the first part of the music for the FS, could that get any slower. Not a fan:noshake:

But the first foray into suspender-ology! And Jason rocking it. I am here for it.:biggrin:
 
Very expressive skating for such a young one - his use of his arms and upper body is excellent. And the FS costume is quite a lot like his Hamilton one.
 
All right, 2010 Nats.

SP
To start: when I complained that Juke was Junior-ish and cheesy, this SP was the one I had in mind. Even his costume for this is better than Juke! Jump notes: this is where his technique made things harder on him. Because he was rotating later, it was easier for his free leg to get "stuck", especially here where it looks like he's grown a lot recently and hasn't quite grown into his legs yet. Triple flip, though, is a stunner already for that age/height/level. Spin notes: faster, but still slow compared to now. I'm interested to note that he used that outside edge feature on the sit rather than the camel. He did in the 2009 programs too, although I think by 2011 he'd switched to using it on the camel. I wonder if he can still do it? Something handy to have in the back pocket.

I'd also forgotten it was as late as 2010 that you had two step sequences in a program! Circular and straight line. Took up a lot of program time. The choreography fits the music well and is appropriate (and his wave to the crowd is adorable).

Overall: STILL BETTER THAN JUKE. No sprinklers. And I notice two very familiar names on that leaderboard...

FS:
Oh! I forgot he did a Nutcracker program! This one though is much less...entertaining, I suppose. He's on the music, the choreography goes nicely with it (although there's not as much choreography as we would later come to expect), but it's just...he's not feeling it, I think. Which is fine, since he was only fifteen here. It just feels a little...businesslike, I think. Jumps-wise, his flutz still isn't great here, and you can see his technique falling away as he gets tired, which nearly trips him up on the second Lutz.

And I had forgotten, but this was another 2+2 = 1 for Jason! 2nd in the short (behind Max) and 2nd in the free (behind Josh) and an overall victory margin of just 0.19!!!

Also: PROTOCOL BONUS! Since we're at Junior Nationals and the internet doesn't forget, we get protocol context for these!

Short program: noted that Josh seems to have fallen on his 3A and done only a 3Lz-2T with some other kind of problem. Max had a no value CCSp and only a level 1 CiSt and 2 SlSt, so clearly, it could have been a lot bigger margin. For Jason, he got a < on the 3T on the end of the combo, level 3s on both step sequences and a level 3 sit spin. He also had the highest PCS, 28.90, a full point ahead of Max's (27.79). Josh was third with a 27.18.

Free skate: Now the tables have turned. Josh had a very good skate, clean 3A, all level 4s except for his SlSt which was a 3. Interestingly, Max's protocol doesn't look too bad. He must have stepped out on the 3A or something (no fall deduction), but he was whittled to death by low GOE. Again all level 4s, except the SlSt which was a 3. Jason actually had two level 3s (the combo spin and the steps - guess the panel didn't want level 4 steps that day) and two level 4s. His GOE is overall not bad, although clearly a few judges were docking for the flutz.

The killer comes on TES/PCS. Josh won the TES with 73.79. Max was second with 72.49, while Jason had 69.98. But on the PCS, Jason wins with a 63.14, Josh tight behind him with 63.00, while Max gets murdered with a 57.20, almost six points behind Jason.

So, I think this is the first example of Jason winning an event on PCS? Can we call it that? I'll call it that.


(Non-Jason aside: I've always though Max not going up to Seniors after this season was a result of Tom Z being more focused on Jeremy and Josh. Now I wonder if it was tactical to get him away from Josh and Jason and the unfavourable PCS comparison, in an attempt to build his own PCS rep.)
 
I know that Brian and Tracy have probably given Jason a training plan, but I’m really curious as to whether he and other elite skaters are scratching their itch to skate with roller skates or in lines, or if it would mess with their technique too much. Anyone know - @karne, any thoughts?

I’m a terrible skater so it can’t possibly mess with my technique. :)

PIC skates, yes, they're fine for figure skaters - although if Jason doesn't already have a pair he's not going to be able to get one, I think. Quad roller skates, no, there's a very different technique to figure skating on those and I imagine they're not good for ice.

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I know that Brian and Tracy have probably given Jason a training plan, but I’m really curious as to whether he and other elite skaters are scratching their itch to skate with roller skates or in lines, or if it would mess with their technique too much. Anyone know - @karne, any thoughts?

I’m a terrible skater so it can’t possibly mess with my technique. :)

PIC skates, yes, they're fine for figure skaters - although if Jason doesn't already have a pair he's not going to be able to get one, I think. Quad roller skates, no, there's a very different technique to figure skating on those and I imagine they're not good for ice.
 
I only just watched 2009. Some things not mentioned...his 3loop technique was not great, with UR concerns. It now surprises me less how much trouble he had with it last season. ETA it was not that great in 2010 either.

His hands, arms and fingers. People have told me that with dancers, it is the hands they get right last. In so many of the little movements in these 2009 programs, Jason at just turned 14, is already expressing the flourishes in the music out to his fingertips---just not all the time.

Transitions. There are lots, to compensate for the lack of the harder jumps.

Off to watch 2010.
 
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In reply to both Karne and Dorispulaski: Hands and fingertips are difficult in ballet, because that's where the tension ends up. But in class, it's really important. If you watch a class, the teacher will be hands on with arm and hand position and turnout. Jason's port d'bras is better than many dancers. He's just got that upper body thing that ballet dancers work hard for. And the core that can do that is central to getting the jumps and making it all look effortless. AND avoiding heavy landings that cause injury. It's definitely a huge piece of why Jason's skating is so special.

As for that Nutcracker music: it's beautiful, but no one can dance to it. NO one! It has no beat is the simplest way to put it. Balanchine, who I consider the greatest choreographer, gave up on that section and just had dancers moving the girl around on a bed and then he introduces the snow storm. You can't dance to it, and you can't really skate to it either. I was surprised that Jason skated as well to it as he did. The only punctuation marks in that musical sequence are a couple of flourishes that in companies that try to dance to it, do walking lifts. Jason can't do a lift in a solo performance. It was just a really bad choice of music, but he did the best he could with it.

I really have no idea how that got through the original production of the Nutcracker or if anyone knows what Petipa and Ivanov did with it. Balanchine didn't dance in the original nutcracker, because it premiered 12 years before he was born. So who knows what they did with that. They didn't transcribe ballets or film them in 1892. It was passed from dancer to dancer over the years. By the time Balanchine danced it maybe 25 years after the premier, it was probably very different. Even Balanchine's own company changed it depending on who danced it. I wonder if it was a scenery changing interlude in the original to get the little girl and the Prince to the land of Sugarplums and that it was never meant to be danced to.

So much for that digression.
 
Slightly off-topic, but for fans of dance, I'd really recommend a 2005 documentary film called "Ballet Russes".

Thank you! I just looked this up and it looks great. Will try to watch later today.

I really liked the 2010 Nutcracker FS. Very mature skating!
 
Slightly off-topic, but for fans of dance, I'd really recommend a 2005 documentary film called "Ballet Russes".

That is a great film! Also Ballet422 about Justin Peck. Hulu has it I believe. Justin has a sensibility and a working methodology that reminds me of Balanchine. He's kind of the spiritual heir.
 
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