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I like this.
Aside Note:
For Russia they were/are: TShK
For rest of World they were: " The 3A", "3A's", and so on.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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I like this.
Aside Note:
For Russia they were/are: TShK
For rest of World they were: " The 3A", "3A's", and so on.
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When a skater leaves a coach, I think there's a line between that can and cannot be said by professionals. I think both coaches and skaters can give their side of the story and there isn't anything wrong with saying you didn't hear from your coach/skater when you tried to contact them. I think it's alright when Daniil said that. It is a huge issue when accusations are being made such as saying Sasha is a traitor. That really has nothing to do with providing information about the split, it's just childish and unprofessional behaviour.
As for skaters retiring with Eteri, I don't think any of the female skaters actually retired while she was coaching them (maybe Shelepen?). They chose to leave, then retired after leaving. And as far as I know, Eteri didn't kick any of them out (except Alina but she came back, though interestingly enough she did say she was going to quit skating after Eteri kicked her out, didn't she?). Whatever reasons they had to leave, be it internal competition, differences of opinions etc., none of her ex skaters have expressed that it was due to a lack of effort from Eteri, Sergei, or Daniil. That's why I don't buy the "replacing" argument; though others may rise through the ranks and overtake others, the team isn't removing one for the other. It's the nature of the competition within the rink.
As for skaters retiring with Eteri, I don't think any of the female skaters actually retired while she was coaching them (maybe Shelepen?). They chose to leave, then retired after leaving. And as far as I know, Eteri didn't kick any of them out (except Alina but she came back, though interestingly enough she did say she was going to quit skating after Eteri kicked her out, didn't she?). Whatever reasons they had to leave, be it internal competition, differences of opinions etc., none of her ex skaters have expressed that it was due to a lack of effort from Eteri, Sergei, or Daniil. That's why I don't buy the "replacing" argument; though others may rise through the ranks and overtake others, the team isn't removing one for the other. It's the nature of the competition within the rink.
It was not "one-time":
The pattern (in connection with other comments about russian skaters) can't be overlooked.
If Fluture has suggested that we are in this thread because we love russian ladies, I can say with all the responsibility that this can't be applied to this user.
As for some users that are suddenly "concerned" by considering the "3A" abbreviation disrespectful, I say it's just another pseudoproblem and a way how to invent nonexisting problems for whatever purpose.
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Uh, I think you're reading too much into an abbreviation. Its a fun nickname with a play on words, and a convenient way to refer to them. These three are often referred to together because they are three girls the same age, from the same training camp who burst onto the top of the senior scene at the same time, with historical technical content. Typing out "Shcherbakova, Trusova, and Kostornaya" takes a lot longer than "3A", especially if you're saying it a few times in a paragraph. Same thing with Valieva/Usacheva/Khromykh ... but yeah say people are lazy for using abbreviations... have you never used an abbreviation? Scientists do it all the time and I wouldn't call them lazy... And no it doesn't "confirm" that fans don't bother to learn Russian names because there will be new ones next year, because the ones that don't know their names aren't the ones using the abbreviation. The fans using the abbreviation tend to be like the posters on this forum, who know a lot about them (including their names).
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I don’t feel like anyone is picking on the nickname of the 3A, rather pointing out that the girls don’t like the nickname and want to be known for being individuals. Each one wants the gold and the glory. But, at the same time, their coach and team are marketing them as the 3A, or as Eteri’s #teamforprogress. The fans are fine with any member of Eteri’s team winning, because it’s a win for Eteri. But these girls each want to win gold, and only one can.
I have to wonder how much of that played a role in Trusova’s decision to leave. She is very motivated and makes it clear her goal is winning. After all, this was never a team sport.
I have to wonder how much of that played a role in Trusova’s decision to leave. She is very motivated and makes it clear her goal is winning. After all, this was never a team sport.
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IMO i think there are quite a few ways her skating has gotten better, but i think there are things that would have been inevitable no matter who coached her.
she is 20 now, a full grown adult with a different body than she had when she was successful with Eteri. she also had a serious injury in 2018. her spins, speed and most likely consistency would have suffered regardless.
she has been inconsistent since the switch for an obvious reason- reworking technique which noticeably got better this season. her technique with Eteri was extremely upper body focused, which probably contributed some extent to her back injury.
if she had stayed with Eteri following the Olympics, i don't think she'd be in any different of a place than she is now. she may have even been worse off. she switched to Orser because she knew her body couldn't keep up with the demands of training with Eteri, so she moved to get more time out of her career.
no matter who coached her, ultra si was still on the way with 3A and others. she would have fallen behind regardless, which is expected as the seasons go on. she wouldn't have been able to train a quad while injured anyway, and probably still wouldn't have made GPF this year.
she still has the highest total score of any senior lady without a 3A or quad last season.
it's been obvious the most important thing to Zhenya is that she is much happier now, and that's what matters.
Exactly, the system in place is built this way so you get more results embracing rather than trying to change it. (it has to be said she basically built this system, so not only they can't change it but probably don't want to)
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We do?
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Great news! Are they going to testing the athletes with COVID-19? After that they can start their training......probably
Uuuuh I can't wait!!
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People only like the old ones, after they struggle. Like look at the response towards Yulia during the Olympics vs when Evgenia came onto the scene, and then with Evgenia in 2016 vs when people realized that Alina was going to beat her. And in the Olympic season people were picking on Alina's artistry, pretty face and tutu, jump technique, and such and now some of it's gotten worse and people worship her.
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Is Novogorsk the same training base that the rhythmic gymnasts live at? Like is it one big sports complex they use for many disciplines?
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If I have followed this correctly so far, Sasha's transfer has not yet been officially confirmed by the FFKR. Does this have an impact on the start of her training?
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It shouldn't, since she's a member of the national team; Novogorsk official said they are expecting around 60 skaters to come there (after they all pass mandatory med screening and two covid tests); so most probably Sasha will start training with the rest in mid-June (and by that time the bureaucrats will push the papers, too) - that is, if she'll come at all, she might opt for training at the AoP instead.
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The question is whether the AoP will also be opened. I can hardly imagine that.
Isn't AoP privatly owned? So in theory, she could train there as long as nobody is near her, right?
