2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[mdl]

Do we know when they travelled to Egypt concretly? Has the quarantine been announced yet? How could they travel out of Russia if it was already forbidden? That was a real scandal or the media did scandal from it because Trusova is famous?

I always find it funny how they criticize Trusovs for going to Egypt, but not a word for Eteri going to USA...
I also find the following words of Goncharenko very indicative of the mentality of some coaches overthere, thinking of an athlete as a property, who does not have rights and who should not exists as an athlete outside the first/ main club/ trainer. The ”mentor left with nothing” is actually receiving salary, but of course he loses the percentage of the prize awards, which is the main point for the big cry.

"Тhe problem with transitions is that coaches in our sport are not legally protected. The skater goes to another sports school, but continues his career. And his former mentor is left with nothing.
.....
Maybe it's time to draw up contracts between skaters and coaches and have them signed?
- They have been talking about this for a long time, but things are still as they were."

I wonder if she actually expects the contracts to give rights only to coaches, but not to the athletes…

 

[Edwin]

To go by the recent Philip Hersh tweets on the subject of GP season.

Two JGP events already cancelled and ISU’s deadline of June 15 already passed without any official announcements so far. leads me to think ISU is still in deliberation or even negotiations to try and salvage the JGP season with new stages later in the year?

One should notice however, FFKKR reduced the number of team members in all categories compared to previous season.

Assignments will be decided after Test Skates, and with FFKKR new performance criteria, there are no guaranteed starts. Those without state stipends and no real chance at the price money, will they take the financial burden themselves?

 

[nussnacker]

I always find it funny how they criticize Trusovs for going to Egypt, but not a word for Eteri going to USA...

Perhaps because there’s a difference between going on a vacation and trying to be with your kid in the midst of a pandemic. The second one is surely a little more understandable.
I don’t know how 17 year old is expected to fend for herself when there is a lockdown, travel restrictions and a constant threat of getting infected. Under other circumstances it would be possible, but in this case she probably would need her parent with her to even go grocery shopping.
Perhaps Diana could’ve travelled to Russia, but then it would be Diana risking infection during travel, and I’m sure no parent would want that, it’s better to take that risk on yourself.

 

[mdl]

Perhaps because there’s a difference between going on a vacation and trying to be with your kid in the midst of a pandemic. The second one is surely a little more understandable.
I don’t know how 17 year old is expected to fend for herself when there is a lockdown, travel restrictions and a constant threat of getting infected. Under other circumstances it would be possible, but in this case she probably would need her parent with her to even go grocery shopping.
Perhaps Diana could’ve travelled to Russia, but then it would be Diana risking infection during travel, and I’m sure no parent would want that, it’s better to take that risk on yourself.

I'll quote the post above: "Do we know when they travelled to Egypt concretly? Has the quarantine been announced yet? How could they travel out of Russia if it was already forbidden?"

as for "Diana risking infection during travel", it is valid also for Eteri risking infection during travel and thus possibly infecting Diana.

 

[sparklestan]

I'll quote the post above: "Do we know when they travelled to Egypt concretly? Has the quarantine been announced yet? How could they travel out of Russia if it was already forbidden?"

as for "Diana risking infection during travel", it is valid also for Eteri risking infection during travel and thus possibly infecting Diana.

Probably not just the risk of infection but it would be scary for Diana to travel from USA to Russia by herself, she’s just 17 years old. Eteri, as her mother, would not want her daughter to travel by herself anytime, especially with the craziness caused by covid. Imagine how scary it would be if Diana was by herself and denied entry into a country or placed in quarantine for whatever reason. I think Eteri made the best choice for herself and her child in this situation.

 

[Scott512]

To Alcatraz.

How do people in the Czech Republic know about Alcatraz?

Perhaps because there’s a difference between going on a vacation and trying to be with your kid in the midst of a pandemic. The second one is surely a little more understandable.
I don’t know how 17 year old is expected to fend for herself when there is a lockdown, travel restrictions and a constant threat of getting infected. Under other circumstances it would be possible, but in this case she probably would need her parent with her to even go grocery shopping.
Perhaps Diana could’ve travelled to Russia, but then it would be Diana risking infection during travel, and I’m sure no parent would want that, it’s better to take that risk on yourself.

Yes she went to America for her child. But maybe Sasha's father went to Egypt to find her and bring her home. but probably not.

Making the right decisions in life is often very difficult and we and I include myself in that often make the wrong decisions like Sasha's father did about going to Egypt in a pandemic. That's why he was criticized for that and it was justified. We will see about the coaching change of Sasha and what happens with her career. I am very fearful there won't even be a season of figure skating at this point. If there are events some will be without fans in my opinion. I'm not sure we get open skates then a couple months but I hope we do.

 

[mdl]

Probably not just the risk of infection but it would be scary for Diana to travel from USA to Russia by herself, she’s just 17 years old. Eteri, as her mother, would not want her daughter to travel by herself anytime, especially with the craziness caused by covid. Imagine how scary it would be if Diana was by herself and denied entry into a country or placed in quarantine for whatever reason. I think Eteri made the best choice for herself and her child in this situation.

It was Eteri's choice and since she went, obviously traveling was not forbidden.

But the same goes for Trusovs. They also could have their own reasons, including for example a change and break for Sasha after disappointing season and hard training for worlds, which was canceled at the very last moment. For sure the cancellation was a hard hit for her.

 

[mdl]

Huh? What that quote has to do with anything?

Yes, Eteri could also risk infection, but she’s also an adult who can handle that risky travel and manage that risk unlike Diana, and I would think she would take some precautions before actually living with her daughter in order not to infect her daughter, like every normal parent would.

The connection is as to what exactly restrictions were in force in Russia at that time.

 

[Jontor]

I am still bummed about Worlds getting cancelled. What would have happened? We will never know...

So, what to do? I compiled a "best of" score (by element) for our top 3 Russian girls, based on the scores they received internationally this season.
Here is how they scored the best in the free program aka 'Dream Scores'

Kostornaia:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

3A+2T - 12.27 (Europeans)
3A - 10.74 (Grand Prix Final)
2A - 4.43 (Europeans)
3L - 6.51 (Grand Prix Final)
FCCoSp - 4.85 (NHK Trophy)
StSq - 5.40 (Internationaux de France)
3F+3T(x) - 12.87 (Europeans)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.93 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.90 (Finlandia Trophy)
ChSq - 4.75 (Finlandia Trophy)
LSp - 3.74 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 73.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Free Program Score - 165.00
Best Short Program Score - 85.45 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 250.45

Trusova:
(program based on the 5 quad runthrough we saw before Worlds)

4F - 14.30 (Grand Prix Final)
4S - 11.22 (Japan Open)
4Lz - 15.28 (Grand Prix Final)
2A+3T - 8.70 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.55 (Nepela Memorial)
ChSq - 4.71 (Rostelecom Cup)
4T+1Eu+3S(x) - 18.44 (Grand Prix Final)
4T(x) - 13.30 (Note: we never did see Sasha do a single 4T in the second half, this is a clean 4T with GOE+3)
3Lz+3T(x) - 12.80 (Grand Prix Final)
FCSp - 4.02 (Grand Prix Final)
StSq - 4.96 (Rostelecom Cup)
FCCoSp - 4.55 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 67.42 (Skate Canada)
Total Free Program Score - 184.25
Best Short Program Score - 74.95 (Europeans)
Total Score - 259.20

Shcherbakova:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

4Lz+3T - 19.31 (Europeans)
4F - 14.30 (Note: we never did see Anna do a clean 4F, this is a clean 4F with GOE+3)
ChSq - 4.50 (Europeans)
2A - 4.29 (Grand Prix Final)
4Lz - 14.79 (Skate America)
FCSp - 4.25 (Skate America)
3Lz+3L(x) - 12.72 (Grand Prix Final)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.40 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Europeans)
FCCoSp - 4.70 (Europeans)
StSq - 5.18 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 5.05 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 71.19 (Europeans)
Total Free Program Score - 181.02
Best Short Program Score - 78.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 259.29

Final standings:
1. Shcherbakova 259.29
2. Trusova 259.20
3. Kostornaia 250.45
Not much in it!! If Shcherbakova/Trusova weren't perfect on all their quads, Kostornaia would have been right on their heels (and that is exactly what happened throughout the season).

Questions:
Would Anna and Alyona go for the same free program as in the European Championships? Or were they planning to beaf it up even more...?
Would Sasha really go for that 5 quad program? Would she have tried the 3A in the short?

It is interesting that Sasha's 5 quad program is only worth 3 more points than Anna's 3 quad program. Sasha's strategy to go for all the quads clearly didn't work this season as her PCS suffered a bit. Her best PCS was at Skate Canada and then it got worse, which is very unusual as PCS usually goes up during the season. In comparison, Anna scored better PCS scores in every competition and had her highest at the Europeans.

A reminder of Trusova's runthrough program before Worlds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqqqOgCzHvo
Was it good? Yes. She didn't have any falls.
But, I suspect a UR on the 4S, and the 4T-E-3S was bad and would probably have gotten -GOE, and the last 4T was clearly UR.

 

[sparklestan]

It was Eteri's choice and since she went, obviously traveling was not forbidden.

But the same goes for Trusovs. They also could have their own reasons, including for example a change and break for Sasha after disappointing season and hard training for worlds, which was canceled at the very last moment. For sure the cancellation was a hard hit for her.

I suppose.
But, imo “reuniting with your child who is alone in a foreign country during a pandemic” would be considered essential while “taking a vacation after a disappointing figure skating season” does not.
The Trusov’s also could have taken Sasha from training and vacationed within Russia. That would have provided relaxation I would think.

 

[nussnacker]

The connection is as to what exactly restrictions were in force in Russia at that time.

I don’t think legality is the main question here. I agree that none of them broke the law and none of them will get into any legal trouble if that’s your argument.
But traveling at that point and even now still, if there’s no urgent need for that, surely isn’t the best choice a person could make. We still don’t know a lot about this virus.
But as I said before, it’s possible that Sasha’s parents for example were potentially misinformed about the contagiousness and dangers on this virus when they travelled, because there was a lot of confusing information about this virus in the very beginning of the pandemic.

 

[IndiaP12]

To go by the recent Philip Hersh tweets on the subject of GP season.

Two JGP events already cancelled and ISU’s deadline of June 15 already passed without any official announcements so far. leads me to think ISU is still in deliberation or even negotiations to try and salvage the JGP season with new stages later in the year?

One should notice however, FFKKR reduced the number of team members in all categories compared to previous season.

Assignments will be decided after Test Skates, and with FFKKR new performance criteria, there are no guaranteed starts. Those without state stipends and no real chance at the price money, will they take the financial burden themselves?

Yes, a friend of mine, US skater, knows one of the USFS staff or something and they said it’s looking good for the JGP but they’ll probably only end up doing 6 events.

 

[nussnacker]

I am still bummed about Worlds getting cancelled. What would have happened? We will never know...

So, what to do? I compiled a "best of" score (by element) for our top 3 Russian girls, based on the scores they received internationally this season.
Here is how they scored the best in the free program aka 'Dream Scores'

Kostornaia:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

3A+2T - 12.27 (Europeans)
3A - 10.74 (Grand Prix Final)
2A - 4.43 (Europeans)
3L - 6.51 (Grand Prix Final)
FCCoSp - 4.85 (NHK Trophy)
StSq - 5.40 (Internationaux de France)
3F+3T(x) - 12.87 (Europeans)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.93 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.90 (Finlandia Trophy)
ChSq - 4.75 (Finlandia Trophy)
LSp - 3.74 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 73.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Free Program Score - 165.00
Best Short Program Score - 85.45 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 250.45

Trusova:
(based on the 5 quad runthrough we saw before Worlds)

4F - 14.30 (Grand Prix Final)
4S - 11.22 (Japan Open)
4Lz - 15.28 (Grand Prix Final)
2A+3T - 8.70 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.55 (Nepela Memorial)
ChSq - 4.71 (Rostelecom Cup)
4T+1Eu+3S(x) - 18.44 (Grand Prix Final)
4T(x) - 13.30 (Note: we never did see Sasha do a single 4T in the second half, this is a clean 4T with GOE+3)
3Lz+3T(x) - 12.80 (Grand Prix Final)
FCSp - 4.02 (Grand Prix Final)
StSq - 4.96 (Rostelecom Cup)
FCCoSp - 4.55 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 67.42 (Skate Canada)
Total Free Program Score - 184.25
Best Short Program Score - 74.95 (Europeans)
Total Score - 259.20

Shcherbakova:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

4Lz+3T - 19.31 (Europeans)
4F - 14.30 (Note: we never did see Anna do a clean 4F, this is a clean 4F with GOE+3)
ChSq - 4.50 (Europeans)
2A - 4.29 (Grand Prix Final)
4Lz - 14.79 (Skate America)
FCSp - 4.25 (Skate America)
3Lz+3L(x) - 12.72 (Grand Prix Final)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.40 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Europeans)
FCCoSp - 4.70 (Europeans)
StSq - 5.18 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 5.05 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 71.19 (Europeans)
Total Free Program Score - 181.02
Best Short Program Score - 78.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 259.29

Final standings:
1. Shcherbakova 259.29
2. Trusova 259.20
3. Kostornaia 250.45
Not much in it!! If Shcherbakova/Trusova weren't perfect on all their quads, Kostornaia would have been right on their heels (and that is exactly what happened throughout the season).

Questions:
Would Anna and Alyona go for the same free program as in the Eurpoean Championships? Or were they planning to beaf it up even more...?
Would Sasha really go for that 5 quad program? Would she have tried the 3A in the short?

It is interesting that Sasha's 5 quad program is only worth 3 more points than Anna's 3 quad program. Sasha's strategy to go for all the quads clearly didn't work this season as her PCS suffered a bit. Her best PCS was at Skate Canada and then it got worse, which is very unusual as PCS usually goes up during the season. In comparison, Anna scored bettes PCS scores in every competition and had her highest at Europeans.

Interesting! But I think Sasha would a 100% have gone for that 3A in the short, so I would personally count her scores taking her 3A into account.

 

[Jontor]

Interesting! But I think Sasha would a 100% have gone for that 3A in the short, so I would personally count her scores taking her 3A into account.

Agreed. Sasha had nothing to lose at this points so I'm sure it would have been 'all-in'.

But what we've learned this season is that it is sooo hard to get ALL these quads and 3As clean (no falls, no URs).
If we assume it is an 80% chance to land a quad or a 3A, then...
Anna and Alyona only has 51% to land all three ultra C elements clean.
And Sasha has only a 26% chance to land all her six ultra C elements clean (if she adds that 3A in the short).

 

[dunffvanstorn]

why did you feel this comment was necessary?

For these people maybe realize they may have to work on themselves psychologically, it might be just a reflection of everyday situations, and I don’t think fighting and discussing so much in forums is actually healthy. Some people here care too much, as if it was their own lives that are being discussed. It worries me and makes me feel the whole forum experience less enjoyable.


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[dunffvanstorn]

I am still bummed about Worlds getting cancelled. What would have happened? We will never know...

So, what to do? I compiled a "best of" score (by element) for our top 3 Russian girls, based on the scores they received internationally this season.
Here is how they scored the best in the free program aka 'Dream Scores'

Kostornaia:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

3A+2T - 12.27 (Europeans)
3A - 10.74 (Grand Prix Final)
2A - 4.43 (Europeans)
3L - 6.51 (Grand Prix Final)
FCCoSp - 4.85 (NHK Trophy)
StSq - 5.40 (Internationaux de France)
3F+3T(x) - 12.87 (Europeans)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.93 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.90 (Finlandia Trophy)
ChSq - 4.75 (Finlandia Trophy)
LSp - 3.74 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 73.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Free Program Score - 165.00
Best Short Program Score - 85.45 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 250.45

Trusova:
(program based on the 5 quad runthrough we saw before Worlds)

4F - 14.30 (Grand Prix Final)
4S - 11.22 (Japan Open)
4Lz - 15.28 (Grand Prix Final)
2A+3T - 8.70 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.55 (Nepela Memorial)
ChSq - 4.71 (Rostelecom Cup)
4T+1Eu+3S(x) - 18.44 (Grand Prix Final)
4T(x) - 13.30 (Note: we never did see Sasha do a single 4T in the second half, this is a clean 4T with GOE+3)
3Lz+3T(x) - 12.80 (Grand Prix Final)
FCSp - 4.02 (Grand Prix Final)
StSq - 4.96 (Rostelecom Cup)
FCCoSp - 4.55 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 67.42 (Skate Canada)
Total Free Program Score - 184.25
Best Short Program Score - 74.95 (Europeans)
Total Score - 259.20

Shcherbakova:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

4Lz+3T - 19.31 (Europeans)
4F - 14.30 (Note: we never did see Anna do a clean 4F, this is a clean 4F with GOE+3)
ChSq - 4.50 (Europeans)
2A - 4.29 (Grand Prix Final)
4Lz - 14.79 (Skate America)
FCSp - 4.25 (Skate America)
3Lz+3L(x) - 12.72 (Grand Prix Final)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.40 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Europeans)
FCCoSp - 4.70 (Europeans)
StSq - 5.18 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 5.05 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 71.19 (Europeans)
Total Free Program Score - 181.02
Best Short Program Score - 78.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 259.29

Final standings:
1. Shcherbakova 259.29
2. Trusova 259.20
3. Kostornaia 250.45
Not much in it!! If Shcherbakova/Trusova weren't perfect on all their quads, Kostornaia would have been right on their heels (and that is exactly what happened throughout the season).

Questions:
Would Anna and Alyona go for the same free program as in the European Championships? Or were they planning to beaf it up even more...?
Would Sasha really go for that 5 quad program? Would she have tried the 3A in the short?

It is interesting that Sasha's 5 quad program is only worth 3 more points than Anna's 3 quad program. Sasha's strategy to go for all the quads clearly didn't work this season as her PCS suffered a bit. Her best PCS was at Skate Canada and then it got worse, which is very unusual as PCS usually goes up during the season. In comparison, Anna scored better PCS scores in every competition and had her highest at the Europeans.

Great post, Congratulations for the work! I love these scores posts, cause they give objective criteria to analyze things, instead of “I think it would happen”.


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[macy]

For these people maybe realize they may have to work on themselves psychologically, it might be just a reflection of everyday situations, and I don’t think fighting and discussing so much in forums is actually healthy. Some people here care too much, as if it was their own lives that are being discussed. It worries me and makes me feel the whole forum experience less enjoyable.


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except you said you had an issue with others taking time to write out long posts (many of which are well thought out and enjoyable to read) and the simple fact they have the time to do so. such a personal and petty complaint did not need to be shared at all. with even less effort than complaining, you could have gone and read a different thread or forum.

 

[TeamGubanova]

I would vote for Nastya T. also, but if I know the federation, they would choose Konstantinova to submit (no shade to her, in any other country both of them would get spots). But they could each end up getting one spot if it went something like this:

2 spots to Trusova, Kostornaia, Shcherbakova, Zagitova, Medvedeva, Tuktamysheva, Sinitsyna (these 7 are all but guaranteed)

2 spots to Samodurova (also very likely at this point as she's so high on the WS list)

This leaves two spots. I'd say they go to a combination of Konstantinova and Tarakanova. Maybe the fed will submit both of them and they'll each get one.

I would say that one would be given to Guliiakova at Rostelecom give her a challenger and if she wins get her another spot.

 

[Edwin]

More censorship also. More curtailing of free information from credible and well respected trainers?

Do Saint Plushy’s groupies really have the right of way in this forum?

TSL still allowed despite being pure tabloid, gossip and slander, but US citizens talking English?

Since the list of allowed and/or prohibited foreign language websites, media and authors isn’t available upfront, and apparently will be applied randomly at someone's instigation and valuable postings censored at any perceived infraction, I will not interpret from Russian anymore to see my efforts go to waste.

Google Translate in Chrome does a reasonable good job that should be sufficient to get a general idea.

Linking isn’t allowed either when I’ve understood the mod message correctly.

Russian figure skating is best discussed in Russian language fora after all.