2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[plushyfan]

How do people in the Czech Republic know about Alcatraz?

Not only Czech Rep but Hungary, too! That is a well-known, famous , infamous place! You don't forget we have seen your movies..


Edwin, "the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on"

 

[Tolstoj]

I would say that one would be given to Guliiakova at Rostelecom give her a challenger and if she wins get her another spot.

Yeah i can see that, basically what they did with Samodurova in 2018-19.

I hope both her and Sinitsyna get GP spots.

 

[GINO]

So, what to do? I compiled a "best of" score (by element) for our top 3 Russian girls, based on the scores they received internationally this season.
Here is how they scored the best in the free program aka 'Dream Scores'

Kostornaia:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

3A+2T - 12.27 (Europeans)
3A - 10.74 (Grand Prix Final)
2A - 4.43 (Europeans)
3L - 6.51 (Grand Prix Final)
FCCoSp - 4.85 (NHK Trophy)
StSq - 5.40 (Internationaux de France)
3F+3T(x) - 12.87 (Europeans)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.93 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.90 (Finlandia Trophy)
ChSq - 4.75 (Finlandia Trophy)
LSp - 3.74 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 73.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Free Program Score - 165.00
Best Short Program Score - 85.45 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 250.45

Trusova:
(program based on the 5 quad runthrough we saw before Worlds)

4F - 14.30 (Grand Prix Final)
4S - 11.22 (Japan Open)
4Lz - 15.28 (Grand Prix Final)
2A+3T - 8.70 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 4.55 (Nepela Memorial)
ChSq - 4.71 (Rostelecom Cup)
4T+1Eu+3S(x) - 18.44 (Grand Prix Final)
4T(x) - 13.30 (Note: we never did see Sasha do a single 4T in the second half, this is a clean 4T with GOE+3)
3Lz+3T(x) - 12.80 (Grand Prix Final)
FCSp - 4.02 (Grand Prix Final)
StSq - 4.96 (Rostelecom Cup)
FCCoSp - 4.55 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 67.42 (Skate Canada)
Total Free Program Score - 184.25
Best Short Program Score - 74.95 (Europeans)
Total Score - 259.20

Shcherbakova:
(assuming she would have the same program as in the European Championships)

4Lz+3T - 19.31 (Europeans)
4F - 14.30 (Note: we never did see Anna do a clean 4F, this is a clean 4F with GOE+3)
ChSq - 4.50 (Europeans)
2A - 4.29 (Grand Prix Final)
4Lz - 14.79 (Skate America)
FCSp - 4.25 (Skate America)
3Lz+3L(x) - 12.72 (Grand Prix Final)
3F+1Eu+3S(x) - 12.40 (Grand Prix Final)
3Lz(x) - 8.34 (Europeans)
FCCoSp - 4.70 (Europeans)
StSq - 5.18 (Grand Prix Final)
CCoSp - 5.05 (Grand Prix Final)
PCS - 71.19 (Europeans)
Total Free Program Score - 181.02
Best Short Program Score - 78.27 (Grand Prix Final)
Total Score - 259.29

Final standings:
1. Shcherbakova 259.29
2. Trusova 259.20
3. Kostornaia 250.45
Not much in it!! If Shcherbakova/Trusova weren't perfect on all their quads, Kostornaia would have been right on their heels (and that is exactly what happened throughout the season).

There is no logic what you did free program "Dream Scores" and just took season best in the short program(except that you want to see Anna in the first place).
Here is Short Program "Dream Scores"

Kostornaia:
3A - 10.97(GPF)
3Lz - 8.16(Fin trophy)
FCSp4 - 4.39(GP Japan)
3F-3T - 12.87(GP Japan)
CCoSp4 - 4.85(GP Japan)
StSq4 - 5.29(GP Japan)
LSp4 - 3.78(Fin trophy)
PCS - 36.02(EC)
Total Short Program Score - 86.33
Total Score - 86.33+165=251.33

Shcherbakova:
2A - 4.38(GPF)
3F - 7.12(GPF)
FCSp4 - 4.30(EC)
3Lz-3Lo - 13.57(GPF)
LSp4 - 3.93(GP USA)
StSq4 - 5.35(GPF)
CCoSp4 - 5.10(GPF)
PCS - 35.17(EC)
Total Short Program Score - 78.92
Total Score - 78.92+181.02=259.94

Trusova:
2A - 4.53(GP Russia)
3F - 7.31(Nepela)
CCoSp4 - 4.50(GPF)
3Lz-3Lo - 14.07(GP Canada)
FCSp4 - 4.30(EC)
StSq4 - 5.18(EC)
LSp4 - 3.66(GP Canada)
PCS - 34.42(EC)
Total Short Program Score - 77.97 (or 83.84 with 3A +3 GOE)
Total Score - 77.97+184.25=262.22

Final standings:
1. Trusova 262.22 (or 268.09 with 3A in SP)
2. Shcherbakova 259.94
3. Kostornaia 251.33

 

[Tolstoj]

That's true and also i don't think Trusova will keep that layout with the 2a-3t for the free this season, that was a B plan from the team, an attempt to make her more consistent while adding the 4F.

I see her going back to the old layout with the 4t-3t in the first half (which is much more consistent), and maybe changing the 4sal (which is rarely landed) with the 4flip

 

[Jontor]

There is no logic what you did free program "Dream Scores" and just took season best in the short program(except that you want to see Anna in the first place).
Here is Short Program "Dream Scores"

Kostornaia:
3A - 10.97(GPF)
3Lz - 8.16(Fin trophy)
FCSp4 - 4.39(GP Japan)
3F-3T - 12.87(GP Japan)
CCoSp4 - 4.85(GP Japan)
StSq4 - 5.29(GP Japan)
LSp4 - 3.78(Fin trophy)
PCS - 36.02(EC)
Total Short Program Score - 86.33
Total Score - 86.33+165=251.33

Shcherbakova:
2A - 4.38(GPF)
3F - 7.12(GPF)
FCSp4 - 4.30(EC)
3Lz-3Lo - 13.57(GPF)
LSp4 - 3.93(GP USA)
StSq4 - 5.35(GPF)
CCoSp4 - 5.10(GPF)
PCS - 35.17(EC)
Total Short Program Score - 78.92
Total Score - 78.92+181.02=259.94

Trusova:
2A - 4.53(GP Russia)
3F - 7.31(Nepela)
CCoSp4 - 4.50(GPF)
3Lz-3Lo - 14.07(GP Canada)
FCSp4 - 4.30(EC)
StSq4 - 5.18(EC)
LSp4 - 3.66(GP Canada)
PCS - 34.42(EC)
Total Short Program Score - 77.97 (or 83.84 with 3A +3 GOE)
Total Score - 77.97+184.25=262.22

Final standings:
1. Trusova 262.22 (or 268.09 with 3A in SP)
2. Shcherbakova 259.94
3. Kostornaia 251.33

Lol! You're right! I do want to see Anna in the first place. But my point of the whole thing was that there was nothing between them and anyone could have won.
Great job in doing the SP 'Dream scores'! I was too lazy to do that...

:luv17::luv17::luv17:
We should work together next time Gino. It seems we think alike?

 

[Skatesocs]

except you said you had an issue with others taking time to write out long posts (many of which are well thought out and enjoyable to read) and the simple fact they have the time to do so. such a personal and petty complaint did not need to be shared at all. with even less effort than complaining, you could have gone and read a different thread or forum.

Given that they went onto praise someone's post containing analysis right after this comment you quoted, clearly not what they were going after.

And honestly? Why do you have a problem? One of the first comments from you on this forum that I saw was calling new posters "unpleasant". You can read something else and not comment, follow your own advice.

 

[Fluture]

Yes, a friend of mine, US skater, knows one of the USFS staff or something and they said it’s looking good for the JGP but they’ll probably only end up doing 6 events.

Well, that‘s good news at least. But I wonder how it would work with the qualification for the final..

Good question. But aren't these commercial tournaments, heavily sponsored, or limited to second tier skaters who happen to be available at their university? Also, their judging isn't of the highest standards, which reduces their actual value.

Yes, of course, Japan Open and WTT are commercial events so the judging is heavily inflated. But I think it would do the sport some good, to have some “less“ serious events that still provide the skaters with the opportunity to compete. Both of them are in Japan, which makes sense given how popular skating is there. But Russia could do something similar, couldn‘t they? They managed to fill the entire arena for a JGP event, I‘m sure a tournament with the prospect of stars like Medvedeva, Zagitova etc. showing up would have no problem selling all the tickets. Obviously, how fair judging is going to be then is another question but I still think it could be fun and something worth thinking about.

(not now but whenever the virus is somewhat under control)

And honestly? Why do you have a problem?

Because it‘s slightly weird to go around acting like a hobby psychologist on an internet forum, questioning people on much time they have and how emotionally involved they choose to get with the sport. Some care more than others, so what? Doesn’t mean they’re all obsessed and need help. And it‘s especially strange since with the virus situation many logically just have more time on their hands. There‘s only so many times you can redecorate your apartment and learn how to bake.

Anyway, moving on..

 

[Skatesocs]

Because it‘s slightly weird to go around acting like a hobby psychologist on an internet forum, questioning people on much time they have and how emotionally involved they choose to get with the sport. Some care more than others,
so what? Doesn’t mean they’re all obsessed and need help. And it‘s especially strange since with the virus situation many logically just have more time on their hands.

And I think it's hella weird to type giant essays on everything about people you don't know, especially with little to no content in them. Nowhere did I mention anything about the coronavirus or whatever else, but you can impute any weirdness you want to me, too kind of sad if baking and redecorating are the only things one can come up with, though.

EDIT: oh, btw, I am also not talking about the actual analysis about skating going on over here.

so what?

Exactly. If you think it doesn't apply to you, then why did you take issue with it...? Or do you think this thread doesn't have a reputation?

BTW, is it a hobby on this website to take people's replies out of context? That part was directed at macy, and macy alone. There's more to that part of the post, that you chose to leave out. I think I've had more lectures about morality on Goldenskate than in a philosophy class when the context didn't even demand any

 

[plushyfan]

Because it‘s slightly weird to go around acting like a hobby psychologist on an internet forum, questioning people on much time they have and how emotionally involved they choose to get with the sport. Some care more than others, so what? Doesn’t mean they’re all obsessed and need help. And it‘s especially strange since with the virus situation many logically just have more time on their hands. There‘s only so many times you can redecorate your apartment and learn how to bake.

Anyway, moving on..

And I think it's hella weird to type giant essays on everything about people you don't know, especially with little to no content in them. Nowhere did I mention anything about the coronavirus or whatever else, but you can impute any weirdness you want to me, too kind of sad if baking and redecorating are the only things one can come up with, though.

EDIT: oh, btw, I am also not talking about the actual analysis about skating going on over here.



Exactly. If you think it doesn't apply to you, then why did you take issue with it...? Or do you think this thread doesn't have a reputation?

BTW, is it a hobby on this website to take people's replies out of context? That part was directed at macy, and macy alone. There's more to that part of the post, that you chose to leave out. I think I've had more lectures about morality on Goldenskate than in a philosophy class when the context didn't even demand any

I believe that was "dunffvanstorn" poster who doesn't like the too long and too passionate posts.

 

[starlight97]

That's true and also i don't think Trusova will keep that layout with the 2a-3t for the free this season, that was a B plan from the team, an attempt to make her more consistent while adding the 4F.

I see her going back to the old layout with the 4t-3t in the first half (which is much more consistent), and maybe changing the 4sal (which is rarely landed) with the 4flip

I think under Plushenko she will not let go of any of the quads. Instead maxing out on all possible 4s even more. It's been confirmed from all angles, including Sasha herself, that all she wants to do is jump these quads and how eager she is about records. That her old coaches actually tried to hold her back and had to make her work on the other parts of skating reluctantly.
So now combine her mentality with Plushenko.

I also kinda think that's what she has to do, she needs to get these quads stable this season, so she can position herself in the top tier in the olympic season. Because as far as the other aspects of skating go, she will not catch up to Kamila and Anna in them and most definitely not to Alena. So she needs to focus on her strong point and make it reliable.

 

[macy]

And I think it's hella weird to type giant essays on everything about people you don't know, especially with little to no content in them.

the part about context is your own opinion, but why bother having a forum or any sort of discussion if there aren't well thought out longer posts that people actually care about writing? if that isn't yours or duffvanstorms thing, Golden Skate is not the place for you. long posts aren't going to be discouraged just because you don't like them. if you have so many criticisms of this forum, why are you here?

and i really don't see why you both need to throw insults calling posters who like to write longer posts "weird" or "creepy". that's really disrespectful.

 

[Fluture]

kind of sad if baking and redecorating are the only things one can come up with, though.

That was, obviously, a joke lol.

Then - do I think this thread has a ”reputation“? (a bad one, presumably) Idk, certainly not among someone important in the sport, so...

Not going to bother with the rest. You could have just skipped the “giant” essays you didn‘t like. Instead you chose to go tell everyone that you find it “hella weird“ how others spend their time.

I‘m gonna leave it here by saying that I‘d rather read people‘s thoughts on the skaters (even if there‘s not much factual information in it) than them announcing what they don‘t like about the forum and its users. But you do you.

 

[Resa]

Does anyone know if Liza T is training already?

 

[plushyfan]

the part about context is your own opinion, but why bother having a forum or any sort of discussion if there aren't well thought out longer posts that people actually care about writing? if that isn't yours or duffvanstorms thing, Golden Skate is not the place for you. long posts aren't going to be discouraged just because you don't like them. if you have so many criticisms of this forum, why are you here?

and i really don't see why you both need to throw insults calling posters who like to write longer posts "weird" or "creepy". that's really disrespectful.

Why those posters need to throw insult to skaters, fathers, mothers, coaches, etc? :think: Is that not disrespectful? The insulted are not here they can't defend themself thus that's more "disrespectful". Everyone has opinios and they can tell if that is not positive on everybody of course. But to write a long passionately hateful, full of assumptions, personal opinion isn't disrespectful? Would it be allowed? Where is the line?

Check it we talked with each other so calmly we clashed our opinions and we could criticise everybody in very intelligent style in that time when the passionated posters are in penalty box. I'm just saying.

 

[plushyfan]

Does anyone know if Liza T is training already?

I believe, no. I didn't read news on the ice-rink were opened in St. Petersburg.

 

[flanker]

General is on the battlefield:
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1086196342.html

 

[JazzUp]

Does anyone know if Liza T is training already?

Mishin's team started training in Yubileinyi 10 days ago; all other major ice rinks were opened on 15th.

 

[JazzUp]

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) hopes that it will be possible to hold the test skates of the Russian national team in Moscow on September 12-13 in the presence of spectators, if there are no emergencies..

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...There is no certainty yet when the test skates of the Russian junior team will take place, though...the General Director of the FFKKR Alexander Kogan told RIA Novosti over the phone.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

I believe that was "dunffvanstorn" poster who doesn't like the too long and too passionate posts.

People take things too personally here. My comment is the biggest example. I have done GIANT posts here, what I meant was about the posts with conspiracy theories and demonizong/hating on people without evidence of anything. We all know what types of posts I’m talking about. I think it’s creepy to defend or to say bad things about people you don’t even know im person. It feels gossipy and almost those political speeches where no evidence of anything is required. It bothers me. I’m a scientist, I don’t like seeing fake news being spread and people buying it. But I guess the type of post here also depends on the nationality of the poster. I’m from a country where things don’t get so passionate, but I guess some of the posters here, maybe because of their culture, are more dramatic. And that’s not a big deal if they don’t spread hate and fake news here, but it bothers me when they make giant posts based on non-evidence things, based on gossip and on their hate bias.


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[dunffvanstorn]

Why those posters need to throw insult to skaters, fathers, mothers, coaches, etc? :think: Is that not disrespectful? The insulted are not here they can't defend themself thus that's more "disrespectful". Everyone has opinios and they can tell if that is not positive on everybody of course. But to write a long passionately hateful, full of assumptions, personal opinion isn't disrespectful? Would it be allowed? Where is the line?

Check it we talked with each other so calmly we clashed our opinions and we could criticise everybody in very intelligent style in that time when the passionated posters are in penalty box. I'm just saying.

Thank you for summarizing what I meant so well.


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