Programs to music from less than stellar movies

[childfreegirl]

Here's another off season question for y'all. I was wondering how (in general and in particular) how programs that were done to music from movies that bomed did. For example, I know Water World with Kevin Costner didn't do so well, but more than one program was skated to it.

And what do you think goes through a judge's mind when they hear the opening notes to a program from a movie that was bad?

 

[IDLERACER]

What do you think goes through a judge's mind when they hear the opening notes to a program from a movie that was bad?

The chances are overwhelming that the judge hasn't seen the movie, and thus does not associate the music with anything other than the performance. The chances are also pretty good that most judges aren't really familiar with the incidental music from any good movies either.

In short, if you're planning on skating to "Theme From Ishtar" or "Theme From Gigli," knock yourself out. ​

 

[Mathman]

Great topic, LOL. :agree:

This isn't exactly skating music (maybe exhibitions), but IMHO the all-time worst movie with great music was Dirty Dancing. The line "Nobody puts Baby in the corner" alone qualifies it as an awful movie. But the sound track features song like

"In the Still...of the Ni-ight..."

"Be My Baby" by Ronnie and the Ronettes

"Big Girls Don't Cry"

"Do You Love Me (now that I can dance)". This was originally written for the Temptations, but when the time came to record it, Barry Gordy couldn't find them. So he threw together whoever was hanging around the studio, called them the Contours, and away they went.

"Love Man" by Otis redding. I wrote a version of it called "Quad man" and sent it to Lori Nichol for Tim Goebel, but for some reason she didn't use it.

And of course, the all-time amazing garage band classic,

"Wipe-out!"

 

[GoldMedalist]

"Memoirs of a Geisha" is a fairly dreadful film but John William's score is just brilliant when experienced outside of the movie.

 

[hockeyfan228]

This isn't exactly skating music (maybe exhibitions), but IMHO the all-time worst movie with great music was Dirty Dancing. The line "Nobody puts Baby in the corner" alone qualifies it as an awful movie.

Okay, that line was lame, but any movie in which smart-Jewish-girl-gets-Patrick-Swayze is okay in my book

(And Jerry Orbach was *fab* in it.)

 

[escaflowne9282]

I don't know who has actually seen "the Rainbow" (Lipinski''98) but I have and it is DREADFUL.

 

[Tonichelle]

"Memoirs of a Geisha" is a fairly dreadful film but John William's score is just brilliant when experienced outside of the movie.

John Williams rules ALL!

oh and The Phantom Menace is the WORST Star Wars film of them all, and many male skaters have used more than one piece from the soundtrack - again John Williams rules ALL!

 

[Ladskater]

Interesting idea; however, I don't think the judges are thinking what particular movie a piece may have originated in but rather how the skater is skating to that particular piece and how well or how poor they are fairing. Sometimes even great music can be a skater's undoing - if they are not up to the piece. It's very tricky.

 

[iluvtodd]

I can't speak for the judges, but I've bought music that I've enjoyed because of the skaters, and that includes movies that I have not planned to see. Case in point - "1492." I've loved that main theme since Anita Hartshorn & Frank Sweiding skated to it. Then Elvis and Todd did it, so I just had to buy the soundtrack, which I . I still haven't seen the movie!

 

[Mafke]

I don't thing the 'the movie was baaaaad" is a real factor.

I don't even think 'this music is overused' is a factor. If anything, music the judges have heard a thousand times probably helps (as little fun as it might be for the audience). It's much easier to judge musicality if you know the music already. If I were a judge I'd probably do a better job of judging a skating who's using Carmen than I would a skater using Massenet's Cleopatre just because of the familiarity with the music le'ts me focus more clearly on the skater's performance whereas unfamiliar music will distract me a little....

I have no idea if that's how judges actually work but it's easy for me to imagine that it is.

 

[childfreegirl]

Great topic, LOL. :agree:

"Love Man" by Otis redding. I wrote a version of it called "Quad man" and sent it to Lori Nichol for Tim Goebel, but for some reason she didn't use it.

Her loss. :disapp:

And of course, the all-time amazing garage band classic,

"Wipe-out!"

I would love to see someone do a program to this! Of course they'd have to have the personality to go with it. Ryan Bradley, perhaps?

 

[nubka]

If the music is great on it's own, who cares what the movie was like?

 

[childfreegirl]

If the music is great on it's own, who cares what the movie was like?

To me it's a mental thing. Like an association. If the movie really stunk, why did it really stink? Can the music be part of why the movie stunk, even if the music is okay? Probably kind of stretching it for some people, but that's just the way I think. I know I'm an oddball and I'm okay with it.

 

[cassieandcheetah]

Lady Caliph for Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze for their '02 Olympics short program...Few people have probably seen or heard of the movie (first of all, it's Italian and it's based on a super-obscure novel I attempted to read but coudn't start on), but wow, what an awesome piece of music! That particular track was called "The Dinner," and I loved how they didn't make a single cut in the track but used the intact version for their short program....But then after all it was Ennio Morriconne, so maybe not all that bad to start with.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Y'all are killing me... absolutely KILLING ME!!!!

MM - Dirty Dancing rocked!!! "Nobody puts Baby in a corner" was the first time I truly knew what it meant to swoon...

Toni - The Phantom Menance was about a little kid meeting up with his destiny! How else should it have started? And to question George Lucus - For Shame! For Shame!!!

Goldie - Geisha was an excellent film... romantic (in a child porn kinda way - but still), beatuiful, had Gong Li.... its a movie - not a history class... Its also a very good rendition of the book, which I loved...

And no, I refuse to believe that judges enjoy Carmen... If they do, then there is more wrong with this sport than CoP.... its lost its soul...

Ok. I'm off to watch Lord of the Rings now...

 

[rain]

I actually think using music from a bad movie, or an obscure movie, can be a plus, rather than a minus. Unlike with a great or really popular film, the music isn't so associated by a huge audience of people. It can give it a fresher feel than say, using the theme from Titanic. It gives more licence (or easier licence, anyway) for the skater to do what they'd like with the music, rather than trying to express a story or theme from the actual film, because that's what everbody's going to expect.

 

[childfreegirl]

I actually think using music from a bad movie, or an obscure movie, can be a plus, rather than a minus. Unlike with a great or really popular film, the music isn't so associated by a huge audience of people. It can give it a fresher feel than say, using the theme from Titanic. It gives more licence (or easier licence, anyway) for the skater to do what they'd like with the music, rather than trying to express a story or theme from the actual film, because that's what everbody's going to expect.

To me, obscure is one thing, bad is just another.

 

[Tinymavy15]

So many skaters have used the mission and i doubt that really any of these little 9 year old girls know the movie at all. I have never seen it, but it dosen't look very good.. deffinelty the type of story a little girl could portray, but the music is so great it stands on it's own two feet.

 

[dewey]

I watched the Mission about 10 years ago, and I didn't like it. It was alternately boring and violent. I should try to watch it again now that I'm older.

 

[discoduck]

John Williams rules ALL!

oh and The Phantom Menace is the WORST Star Wars film of them all, and many male skaters have used more than one piece from the soundtrack - again John Williams rules ALL!

And this is why I love you, Toni.