2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Baron Vladimir]

Loop, Salchow have forward takeoff.

The only forward take off jump is Axel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_jumps

 

[Thrashergurl]

Medvedeva had an ice show that she was scheduled to perform in. The rest is just speculation

 

[Azikin]

Yuna's performing I guess one could call mature, but I felt it was quite empty, definitely nothing like 2010 where I think she was absolutely incredible.

I agree with this completely and I'm glad someone said that. I used to be a big fan but she hasn't been the same since Vancouver, it was obvious she's not giving it her all and she's not enjoying it anymore. At least to me.. And I also think that Sochi results were fair. Although I would prefer Yulia to win..

 

[liv]

in other news, Zhenya is back in Canada

https://smart-flash.jp/sports/106512

Interesting... since our borders are still closed to foreigners. If true, she must have some sort of special permission.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Just to illustrate your message: https://youtu.be/pbdNAD4FU6Q?t=47
This 2T is such jump , which can be discussed, talking about the pre-rotation in the rules. I`m sorry for OT. I like Alysa.

This is a very good case study to discuss rotation issues and how to score jumps. Here is how I call it (working within the 5 GOE system):

3Axel + 2Toe< , -2 GOE (shaky edges and loss of flow and body position on both landings, toeloop turns nearly forward on skating foot and the rotation looking at where her picking foot leaves the ice and where she lands is too short)

4Lutz<, 0 GOE (toepick turns past forward on the takeoff, does not get far enough past that point on landing, jump is otherwise clean but lacks amplitude)

3Axel, 0 GOE (some rotation is lacking, relatively low amplitude and could use more flow on landing, but generally clean)

3Loop, 0 GOE (takeoff turns more than the normal amount, overall rotation is enough to avoid a call but imperfect, creating a visual of the jump not filling the air as much as it should; the landing is not totally smooth, likely caused because of needing to quickly come down on the toepick on the landing, as a result of not fully completing the jump in the air)

3Lutz + 3Toe<, 0 GOE (Lutz takeoff goes past a half turn on the toepick, but lands far enough around to avoid a call. Toeloop picking foot turns too far around the ice during takeoff and does not land far enough past that point for full credit; small jumps and not the best flow in general, but relatively clean)

3Lutz< + half loop< + 3Sal<, 0 GOE (Lutz takeoff goes past a half turn on the toepick and does not get far enough around to meet minimum requirement; half loop landing is not 1/4 turn past the direction of the skating blade at the point the free foot passed in front of the skating foot; Salchow takeoff goes past a half turn on the toepick and does not get far enough around to meet minimum requirement; essentially clean landings otherwise, but lack of good quality)

3Flip<, +2 GOE (toepick turns completely to sideways on takeoff and the landing is not perfectly backwards to compensate; good entry and better flow on the landing of this jump than any other in her program, with a straight upper body and extended free leg on the landing, also timed to the music very well. If I wasn't going to call the jump underrotated then I would reduce my GOE to account for the lacking rotation of what a regular 3Flip should have)

 

[Scott512]

It strikes me how the ones who defend Adelina’s poor technique are the ones who defend Alina’s good technique and say horrible things about Evgenia’s technique.

Why for Adelina having poor technique was ok, and for Evgenia it was a crime?

Be consistent with your thoughts at least.


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That was a very interesting and accurate point. True.

Not sure why posts got moved despite being in topic and not offensive. That to me felt like straight up censorship which i despise, so i'll still leave an highlight of that previous post.

- Adelina won, that's the result and you can't change it now. People outside of Russia (including people inside the sport) are generally still not okay with the way that event was conducted which felt fishy and you could see it coming, and that result specifically, which also impacted on Sotnikova's reputation. The hatred against her is undeserved, blame the judges who made those glaring mistakes, not the athlete.

- For me you could argue for and against the result, it could have gone either way, Adelina was great that night and the audience was with her, but the scores had several flaws at this point we all spotted, it's a bit pointless try to negate now. I wished the scores were closer, cause I don't see that gap between the three skaters including Carolina. Yuna was flawless and somehow still lost by 6-7 points with Sotnikova suddenly getting her same PCS and higher than Kostner.

- Sotnikova might remain the only Olympic Champion in modern history who hasn't won any other big international competition and never medalled at Worlds or GPF. Beautiful skater who got the best out of one event basically.

Sarah Hughes?

How many Russian Nationals did Adelina beat princess Yulia in? I lost count. By the way Adelina was great two nights the short program and the free skate.

in other news, Zhenya is back in Canada

https://smart-flash.jp/sports/106512

Good to know she's finally back home.

I agree with this completely and I'm glad someone said that. I used to be a big fan but she hasn't been the same since Vancouver, it was obvious she's not giving it her all and she's not enjoying it anymore. At least to me.. And I also think that Sochi results were fair. Although I would prefer Yulia to win..

Agree with every word. Unfortunately Yulia got worn out by the team competition and all the fame she was hit with all at once. The great thing was that Adelina picked up the slack.

 

[Jontor]

This is a very good case study to discuss rotation issues and how to score jumps. Here is how I call it (working within the 5 GOE system):

3Axel + 2Toe< , -2 GOE (shaky edges and loss of flow and body position on both landings, toeloop turns nearly forward on skating foot and the rotation looking at where her picking foot leaves the ice and where she lands is too short)

4Lutz<, 0 GOE (toepick turns past forward on the takeoff, does not get far enough past that point on landing, jump is otherwise clean but lacks amplitude)

3Axel, 0 GOE (some rotation is lacking, relatively low amplitude and could use more flow on landing, but generally clean)

3Loop, 0 GOE (takeoff turns more than the normal amount, overall rotation is enough to avoid a call but imperfect, creating a visual of the jump not filling the air as much as it should; the landing is not totally smooth, likely caused because of needing to quickly come down on the toepick on the landing, as a result of not fully completing the jump in the air)

3Lutz + 3Toe<, 0 GOE (Lutz takeoff goes past a half turn on the toepick, but lands far enough around to avoid a call. Toeloop picking foot turns too far around the ice during takeoff and does not land far enough past that point for full credit; small jumps and not the best flow in general, but relatively clean)

3Lutz< + half loop< + 3Sal<, 0 GOE (Lutz takeoff goes past a half turn on the toepick and does not get far enough around to meet minimum requirement; half loop landing is not 1/4 turn past the direction of the skating blade at the point the free foot passed in front of the skating foot; Salchow takeoff goes past a half turn on the toepick and does not get far enough around to meet minimum requirement; essentially clean landings otherwise, but lack of good quality)

3Flip<, +2 GOE (toepick turns completely to sideways on takeoff and the landing is not perfectly backwards to compensate; good entry and better flow on the landing of this jump than any other in her program, with a straight upper body and extended free leg on the landing, also timed to the music very well. If I wasn't going to call the jump underrotated then I would reduce my GOE to account for the lacking rotation of what a regular 3Flip should have)

I don't know why we are judging Alysa's program here in the Russian Ladies thread. Just for the record, I think those 3A's look suspiciously like 3S's to me. Anyway, this is totally irrelevant as it is a different skater and every skater must be judged individually.

I guess you want to make a point, so why not get real and get back to the point we were discussing. Why not judge Adelina's olympic free skate from 2014 with +3/-3 and the rules applying back then...

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I guess you want to make a point, so why not get real and get back to the point we were discussing. Why not judge Adelina's olympic free skate from 2014 with +3/-3 and the rules applying back then...

That would be fine, but in another (Olympic results) thread

 

[Blades of Passion]

I don't know why we are judging Alysa's program here in the Russian Ladies thread.

Because apparently Russian Ladies skating is the epicenter of everything now. The topic was brought up here.

Why not judge Adelina's olympic free skate from 2014 with +3/-3 and the rules applying back then...

I judged all of the top 8 ladies at 2014 Olympics shortly after the event - https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?49694-DIY-Judging&p=881476&viewfull=1#post881476

Although that was right before I had gone through Sotnikova's footwork sequence and found out it was only Level 3, so her score drops slightly.

 

[Skatesocs]

I was curious if Liu had toe axeled. Sometimes I do think she does when she has a particularly bad landing on the triple axel.

Sarah Hughes?

She had a world bronze.

I judged all of the top 8 ladies at 2014 Olympics shortly after the event - https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?49694-DIY-Judging&p=881476&viewfull=1#post881476

Although that was right before I had gone through Sotnikova's footwork sequence and found out it was only Level 3, so her score drops slightly.

Do you also have the SP somewhere? I want to see where Mao would end up overall. But maybe it should be put in the other thread.

 

[randomfan]

I judged all of the top 8 ladies at 2014 Olympics shortly after the event - https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?49694-DIY-Judging&p=881476&viewfull=1#post881476

Just curious, are there any elements, not just from Sochi but from anywhere or anytime (especially in recent years), you would consider a +3 (or +5 going by today's rules)? The only one I see here is Yulia's combo spin.

 

[Skatesocs]

Just curious, are there any elements, not just from Sochi but from anywhere or anytime (especially in recent years), you would consider a +3 (or +5 going by today's rules)? The only one I see here is Yulia's combo spin.

Actually I've always wondered what the best throws, the best +Loop combos etc are. Maybe it can go on a new thread lol.

Eta: that someone else should start because I'm just starting too many

But I think I can't name too many elements that deserved perfect GOE. A layback by Karen Chen or Mirai Nagasu. A quad lutz by Jin or Kolyada. That's really it in recent years. Maybe a quad Salchow by Hanyu when he does difficult entries into it.

 

[flanker]

Because apparently Russian Ladies skating is the epicenter of everything now. The topic was brought up here.

Not just now. All the best and all the worst of the world of figure skating always ends here like in a black hole...

 

[zounger]

Interesting... since our borders are still closed to foreigners. If true, she must have some sort of special permission.

Maybe she has a diplomatic passport.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Clearly Alysa is discussed here because she’s an obvious threat. Hopefully her coaching change works to her advantage

 

[flanker]

Clearly Alysa is discussed here because she’s an obvious threat. Hopefully her coaching change works to her advantage

If the things work just this way, then Eteri and her team are the ultimate threat to everyone, because they are dragged into nearly every thread incl. those completely unrelated all over the GS

 

[Skatesocs]

If the things work just this way, then Eteri and her team are the ultimate threat to everyone, because they are dragged into nearly every thread incl. those completely unrelated all over the GS

You're one of the more charming Eteri stans I'll give you that lol

 

[Jontor]

Because apparently Russian Ladies skating is the epicenter of everything now. The topic was brought up here.



I judged all of the top 8 ladies at 2014 Olympics shortly after the event - https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?49694-DIY-Judging&p=881476&viewfull=1#post881476

Although that was right before I had gone through Sotnikova's footwork sequence and found out it was only Level 3, so her score drops slightly.

Great job, and many valid points.

However, I find it illogical to give Adelina a < on her 3T and at the same time ignore Kim's second Lutz. That hooked landing is a dead giveaway for underrotations. I would give them both the benefit of a doubt though and mark both jumps clean. And maybe I think it's too harsh to give -2 for Adelina's stepout, but ok.

Adelina's much better spins and an extra triple jump should give her at least 4-5 points more on technical (and that is what she got). Why did Kim go for a 6 triple program when everyone else went for 7 triples? Why did she have two Salchows and no Loop?

I can't argue with your PCS score, after all, personal taste matters here. Kim is a wonderful, elgeant skater for sure, but she was nowhere near as good as she was in 2010, and to me it felt like she was kind of phoning in the performance.

Well, that's my take on it. Again, technical won over performance, that's how the scoring system works.

 

[flanker]

You're one of the more charming Eteri stans I'll give you that lol

Too late for flattery

 

[Skatesocs]

Why did Kim go for a 6 triple program when everyone else went for 7 triples? Why did she have two Salchows and no Loop?

Why did Sotnikova not have a Lutz?

But I'm going to from this conversation now.