2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[brakes]

Tutberidze did not take money from me for training and gave me clothes - interesting interview by Victor Adonyev, one of Eteri's first students, now a known coach and choreographer, about Eteri, Yulia, Anna P. and others, and his work (both in Khrustal'nyi and outside).

I've always thought, they'd worked on Anna's triples in 2014 in Tutberidze group, but Adoniev cleared up that Eteri told her to leave and she must have taken private training under Artemy Punin and Adoniev in other rinks. It was Punin, who taught her all her triples and only after that Eteri agreed to take her back! Pretty shocking news for me!

 

[Shayuki]

Many people say she got better jumping edges than most Eteri's girls...

Edges? Okay? Plenty of 6-year-olds jumping singles do have better edges as well. Do people really only gauge jump quality by edges? She has serious UR issues even at 12 years of age, and low height with zero hope of ever jumping 3A or quads. She'll be a treat to watch and it wouldn't surprise me if she's better to watch than any Russian skater at a competition, but when we consider her actual threat level it's not very high.


I actually went back and looked at the Instagram post by the Team Tutberidze coach, so here are some of her thoughts condensed:

Gymnastics, Acrobatics go well with figure skating. Ballet, Dancing go well with figure skating. Casual swimming is also good. Swimming at a pro level isn't good for skating, however.

Rhythmic gymnastics isn't good with figure skating, "only 1 year max". Overstretched, bad for jumping.

Music school's good with figure skating(like playing piano). Children who have a good ear for music benefit from it greatly.

Skiing and roller skating is a no-no with figure skating. Apparently you learn bad habits.

Athletics, track&field go well with figure skating.


Especially interesting is the one with playing an instrument. Perhaps children who start learning piano or violin at the same age as they begin skating will end up with much better interpretation abilities down the line.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Edges? Okay? Plenty of 6-year-olds jumping singles do have better edges as well. Do people really only gauge jump quality by edges? She has serious UR issues even at 12 years of age, and low height with zero hope of ever jumping 3A or quads. She'll be a treat to watch and it wouldn't surprise me if she's better to watch than any Russian skater at a competition, but when we consider her actual threat level it's not very high.


I actually went back and looked at the Instagram post by the Team Tutberidze coach, so here are some of her thoughts condensed:

Gymnastics, Acrobatics go well with figure skating. Ballet, Dancing go well with figure skating. Casual swimming is also good. Swimming at a pro level isn't good for skating, however.

Rhythmic gymnastics isn't good with figure skating, "only 1 year max". Overstretched, bad for jumping.

Music school's good with figure skating(like playing piano). Children who have a good ear for music benefit from it greatly.

Skiing and roller skating is a no-no with figure skating. Apparently you learn bad habits.

Athletics, track&field go well with figure skating.


Especially interesting is the one with playing an instrument. Perhaps children who start learning piano or violin at the same age as they begin skating will end up with much better interpretation abilities down the line.

But Valieva had training in RG and is amazingly flexible and amazingly good at jumping. So, that might be a generalization based on her perception, but not based on actual data.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Jesus... what the? I’m in absolute shock.

Yeah. I showed it to my father and said - so, there’s this chinese lady who thinks men are useless. Maybe she’s right at least about this [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I’m kidding, I don’t think men are useless. Just a joke.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Many people say she got better jumping edges than most Eteri's girls...

Only time will tell if Nini will be a threat to Russian ladies. Right now, she’s very good for her age, but not as good as Valieva was at the same age. However, Valieva learned her quad at 13, being with the best specialists in the world. This girl is training in a country where FS is not traditional and has a crazy training regimen. I wouldn’t doubt her potential, considering she has the mother she has, but only time will tell. What if she goes to an A-list coach? Nobody knows.

 

[flanker]

I've always thought, they'd worked on Anna's triples in 2014 in Tutberidze group, but Adoniev cleared up that Eteri told her to leave and she must have taken private training under Artemy Punin and Adoniev in other rinks. It was Punin, who taught her all her triples and only after that Eteri agreed to take her back! Pretty shocking news for me!

I'm not sure whether I understand this part correctly or whether it was sied correctly, because that's about the same time when Alina learned all triples with TT.

 

[brakes]

I'm not sure whether I understand this part correctly or whether it was sied correctly, because that's about the same time when Alina learned all triples with TT.

Are you sure? Eteri got rid of Alina as well at some point.

 

[ruga]

I believe Alina trained with Tsareva (Pogorilaya's coach) for a while, but I don't know when it was.

 

[brakes]

Edges? Okay? Plenty of 6-year-olds jumping singles do have better edges as well. Do people really only gauge jump quality by edges? She has serious UR issues even at 12 years of age, and low height with zero hope of ever jumping 3A or quads. She'll be a treat to watch and it wouldn't surprise me if she's better to watch than any Russian skater at a competition, but when we consider her actual threat level it's not very high.

Well, 12yo Anna was not a high jumper as well. I remember everybody was in shock when her quads showed up in spring of 2017, saying she'd be last to expect them from. She was considered not very athletic, artistic cute fairy before.
Who knows, if Nini is not going to surprise us in jumping department, just like Anna did.

 

[flanker]

Are you sure? Eteri got rid of Alina as well at some point.

To be completely correct, Alina was accepted into TT before the season 2015-16, after a trial period of three months she was rejected but then accepted again. Alina had only a 3S then, the rest of the triples she learned with Eteri (in Alina's own words, she said she learned them very fast after that "re-accepting"). As for Anna, I think she started to work with Eteri during 2013-14 season (she spoke about cheering for Yulia who was "from our team"), so for the next seaosn it could be like "you didn't learn triples within the season, and because we don't have capacity now (it was befor Rozanov times ), we will send you to jumping specialists and then come back when you complete your quest (+1 lvl, +3 on jumps 1d6)." But the whole thing sounds weird, this is Anna's skate precisely from that time and she is there as a member of Sambo-70.

 

[Shayuki]

Well, 12yo Anna was not a high jumper as well. I remember everybody was in shock when her quads showed up in spring of 2017, saying she'd be last to expect them from. She was considered not very athletic, artistic cute fairy before.
Who knows, if Nini is not going to surprise us in jumping department, just like Anna did.

12yo anna rotated fully and effortlessly. At the time she even was doing like 10 triple programs and 3-3-3 combos. And she had quads since late 2016.

Having small but rotated jumps is quite different from actually routinely URing.

To be completely correct, Alina was accepted into TT before the season 2015-16, after a trial period of three months she was rejected but then accepted. Alina had only a 3S then, the rest of the triples she learned with Eteri (in Alina's own words, she said she learned them very fast after that "re-accepting"). As for Anna, I think she started to work with Eteri during 2013-14 season (she spoke about cheering for Yulia who was "from our team"), so for the next seaosn it could be like "you didn't learn triples within the season, and because we don't have capacity now (it was befor Rozanov times ), we will send you to jumping specialists and then come back when you complete your quest (+1 lvl, +3 on jumps 1d6)." But the whole thing sounds weird, this is Anna's skate precisely from that time and she is there as a member of Sambo-70.

It is strange, as Anna had a triple Lutz 1 month after that video. So a lot must have happened during that month.

But Valieva had training in RG and is amazingly flexible and amazingly good at jumping. So, that might be a generalization based on her perception, but not based on actual data.

I wonder how long Valieva trained in it for, more than a year? I guess it depends on the level as well. Valieva's flexible but honestly she's not very flexible for a rhythmic gymnast, just about each of them at such age are much more flexible. Then again, Veronika Zhilina also has amazing jumps and she's even more flexible than Valieva. Nevertheless, that's what this trainer thinks.

 

[Mawwerg]

12yo anna rotated fully and effortlessly. At the time she even was doing like 10 triple programs and 3-3-3 combos. And she had quads since late 2016.

Having small but rotated jumps is quite different from actually routinely URing.
It is strange, as Anna had a triple Lutz 1 month after that video. So a lot must have happened during that month.
I wonder how long Valieva trained in it for, more than a year? I guess it depends on the level as well. Valieva's flexible but honestly she's not very flexible for a rhythmic gymnast, just about each of them at such age are much more flexible. Then again, Veronika Zhilina also has amazing jumps and she's even more flexible than Valieva. Nevertheless, that's what this trainer thinks.

I remember there was an interview with or about Anna and there was said she had struggled with triples for a long time and in a month and a half after she landed her first 3T she gained all triples.

 

[brakes]

12yo anna rotated fully and effortlessly. At the time she even was doing like 10 triple programs and 3-3-3 combos. And she had quads since late 2016.

First Anna's quad video was posted in April 2017.

 

[Shayuki]

First Anna's quad video was posted in April 2017.

I'm well aware, but TAT talked about it during commentary in late 2016 already. Skaters can jump quads even without them being captured on video.

I remember there was an interview with or about Anna and there was said she had struggled with triples for a long time and in a month and a half after she landed her first 3T she gained all triples.

So I guess she gained them all right after leaving Eteri, it really is interesting. Perhaps that's her tendency to triumph over obstacles.

 

[Tolstoj]

Have you read the article?

Looks like Chinese fs-crazy mom intends to put an end to Russian ladies' dominance...

I watched her performances at Chinese Nationals, she is good and the upcoming Olympics in China will help her. (is she eligible though?)

But her mom and motivations are not enough to achieve those results, she needs a no-BS experienced coach who can work with her as intensively as Eteri does in order to be as good as them.

Personally i'd try to contact Laura Lipetsky now that Alysa changed.

 

[Orlov]

Viktor Adoniev gave a very interesting interview. It's pretty huge. Since it is very related to Tutberidze-team, I put the translation in "Tutberidze effect". Here.There is a lot of interesting stuff in it - about Eteri, about the skaters with whom he worked - Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva, Pogorilaya, even a little with Trusova and Shcherbakova. There are also many interesting and unexpected nuances - for example, he directly says that many people trained during the quarantine, or for example, that Eteri expelled Anya Shcherbakova - it was really surprising. Victor speaks very openly, pretty personally.

 

[kmw227]

I watched her performances at Chinese Nationals, she is good and the upcoming Olympics in China will help her. (is she eligible though?)

But her mom and motivations are not enough to achieve those results, she needs a no-BS experienced coach who can work with her as intensively as Eteri does in order to be as good as them.

Personally i'd try to contact Laura Lipetsky now that Alysa changed.

She's not, she's a year too young.

 

[lopsilceci]

Olympic Channel interview with Aliona Kostornaya.

She talks about her succesful season, her new programs, training with Eteri, adapting to training post quarantine, the future... Lots of interesting bits.

 

[kmw227]

Olympic Channel interview with Aliona Kostornaya.

She talks about her succesful season, her new programs, training with Eteri, adapting to training post quarantine, the future... Lots of interesting bits.

I always enjoy reading her interviews, she's got such a great head on her shoulders!

I also think it's so cool how she wants to be a neurosurgeon. Of course, the selfish fan in me would love for her to try for another Olympics But I really respect that she has such big plans for life after skating.

 

[JazzUp]

TeamTutberidze takes disinfection pretty seriously; and they combine it with vestibular system training to improve the spins and jumps.