2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[dunffvanstorn]

Just like I said, people who barely noticed him two monts ago are suddenly his most devoted fans and credit him with literally everything. That's not the game I play.

The game I play is based on what I see from the novices, who were basically coached by him and that are superior to all the current girls when they were at this age.

Veronika Zhilina
Sofia Akatieva
Adeliya Petrosian
Elena Kostyleva

And the current juniors
Kamila Valieva
Daria Usasheva

These girls were mostly trained by Rozanov. And I can see clearly how superior they are with their current age when compared to Anna/Aliona/Sasha.

Their choregraphy as novices is way better than most of Daniil’s choreography.

So, yes, maybe you didn’t notice Sergei Rozanov before, but his work and success is undeniable.

And it is confirmed that he wanted to make Sasha’s programs better choreographed, but that Daniil didn’t let him give his opinion.

If the fans didn’t notice him before, it’s because he was very low-key on social media and TT didn’t give him the spotlight.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

You can not like Aliona’s artistry or not think she’s musical, but saying she lacks multi directional skating and 1 foot skating is just factually incorrect. She is the only female skater doing difficult 1 foot skating featuring turns in both directions into her 3A. She also does the choctaw counter entry to her flips, and multi direction turns, opposite direction waltz jump/counter into her 2A with an opposite direction turn out of it. She has also done spirals, Ina bauers, split jumps etc into her jumps. Not sure where this criticism is coming from.

From the same people who say Daniil is the best choreographer in the world, that Anna has the best lutz edge, and that Trusova is a better performer than Aliona...

 

[Jontor]

Time for some statistics:hap57:

Medal count for the Russian Ladies since 1993 (GP started 1996 JGP started 1998)
Since the GP circus started in the 1995-96 season, there are some medals not counted - Irina Slutskaya 1995 Skate America, Maria Butyrskaya 1993 Skate Canada, Olga Markova 1994 Skate Canada.

Medals include Junior Grand Prix, Junior Worlds, Grand Prix, Europeans, Worlds, Olympics and Russian Nationals
RusNats included because it is such a hard competition to go through

The Challenger series started in the 2014-15 season and is not included, but noted.

1. Irina Slutskaya 59 - 1994 first medal
2. Maria Butyrskaya 39 - 1992 (including one Soviet Union Nationals medal from 1992)
3. Evgenia Medvedeva 28 - 2014 (+4 Challengers)
4. Viktoria Volchkova 25 - 1998
4. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 25 - 2009 (+14 Challengers)
6. Elena Radionova 23 - 2013 (+1 Challenger)
7. Elena Sokolova 22 - 1997
8. Adelina Sotnikova 19 - 2009 (+1 Challenger)
9. Alina Zagitova 18 - 2017 (+2 Challengers)
10. Yulia Lipnitskaya 17 - 2012 (+2 Challengers)
11. Anna Pogorilaya 16 - 2013 (+3 Challengers)
11. Maria Sotskova 16 - 2014 (+3 Challengers)
13. Alexandra Trusova 14 - 2018 (+1 Challenger)
13. Alëna Kostornaia 14 - 2018 (+1 Challenger)
15. Julia Soldatova 13 - 1998
15. Alena Leonova 13 - 2008 (+3 Challengers)
17. Olga Markova 9 - 1994
17. Anna Shcherbakova 9 - 2019 (+1 Challenger)
19. Polina Shelepen 8 - 2010
20. Serafima Sakhanovich 7 - 2014 (+6 Challengers)
20. Anastasia Tarakanova 7 - 2018
22. Kristina Oblasova 6 - 2000
22. Polina Tsurskaya 6 - 2016
24. Irina Nikolaeva 5 - 1999
24. Sofia Samodurova 5 - 2018 (+2 Challengers)

26. 4 medals - Elena Ivanova 1995, Daria Timoshenko 1999, Irina Tkatchuk 2000, Tatiana Basova 2001, Olga Naidenova 2003, Ksenia Makarova 2010, Polina Agafonova 2010, Alexandra Proklova 2014, Kamila Valieva 2020, Daria Usacheva 2020

36. 3 medals - Elena Pingacheva 1996, Ludmila Nelidina 2002, Veronika Kropotina 2005, Stanislava Konstantinova 2017 (+5 Challengers), Anastasia Gubanova 2017 (+1 Challenger), Alena Kanysheva 2019, Ksenia Sinitsyna 2019, Viktoria Vasilieva 2019

44. 2 medals - Svetlana Bukareva 2000, Lilia Biktagirova 2005, Ksenia Doronina 2007, Polina Korobeynikova 2012, Elizaveta Nugumanova 2017 (+1 Challenger), Daria Panenkova 2018, Anna Tarusina 2019 (+1 Challenger), Anna Frolova 2020

52. 1 medal - Nadezda Kanaeva 1996, Olga Stepanova 2000, Svetlana Chernyshova 2001, Olga Agapkina 2002, Alima Gershkovich 2003, Elena Naumova 2004, Alexandra Ievleva 2007, Ekaterina Kozireva 2007, Margarita Tertichnaia 2007, Nina Petushkova 2008, Jana Smekhnova 2008, Katarina Gerboldt 2009, Oksana Gozeva 2009, Anna Ovcharova 2010, Sofia Biryukova 2010, Rosa Sheveleva 2011, Anna Shershak 2012, Uliana Titushkina 2013, Evgenia Gerasimova 2013, Maria Stavitskaia 2013, Natalia Ogoreltseva 2014, Elizaveta Iushenko 2014, Alsu Kaiumova 2015, Ekaterina Mitrofanova 2016, Alisa Fedichkina 2016 (+2 Challengers), Diana Pervushkina 2016, Alisa Lozko 2017, Anastasia Gulyakova 2018, Maiia Khromykh 2020

(+Maria Artemieva 4 Challengers, Alexandra Avstriyskaya 1 Challenger)

Do you know them all???

My personal favourite, Maria Butyrskaya, has 11 consecutive Russian Nationals medals from 1992-2002. A record that probably never will be broken.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

https://youtu.be/hAJf7zc6S_8

Maybe people wanted Aliona to be flirty and smiling when performing to a music about the loss of 3% of the world’s population. Because that’s what The Leftovers was about, coping with loss.

If anyone watched the series, they would know her face expression is extremelly loyal to the feelings the story gives us. It’s about sadness, anguish, loss.


https://youtu.be/BWZ44q7PLGM

Yeah, and Twilight is about the creepy love story of an ordinary girl and a vampire who has to control himself not to kill her. I would interpret it with a diarrhea face.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

The game I play is based on what I see from the novices, who were basically coached by him and that are superior to all the current girls when they were at this age.

Veronika Zhilina
Sofia Akatieva
Adeliya Petrosian
Elena Kostyleva

And the current juniors
Kamila Valieva
Daria Usasheva

These girls were mostly trained by Rozanov. And I can see clearly how superior they are with their current age when compared to Anna/Aliona/Sasha.

Their choregraphy as novices is way better than most of Daniil’s choreography.

So, yes, maybe you didn’t notice Sergei Rozanov before, but his work and success is undeniable.

And it is confirmed that he wanted to make Sasha’s programs better choreographed, but that Daniil didn’t let him give his opinion.

If the fans didn’t notice him before, it’s because he was very low-key on social media and TT didn’t give him the spotlight.

Most of these girls you listed joined Team Tutberidze when they were around 11-12 and of course had coaches before that who taught them skating. If you watch Daria's, Adelia's and Kamila's old videos from two/three seasons ago when they were with their old coaches they were already amazing skaters with great skating skills, spins and jumps and had the same amount of quality in skating, what they were missing mostly was consistency and high tech content (like consistent 3-3s), which Team Tut gave them and which they have always been famous for even before Rozanov joined. Crediting Rozanov for all of their talents is a discredit towards their old coaches. Where do you think Alyona got her amazing skating skills from? Team Tut does not have better skaters now because of Rozanov, they have better skaters because a) they got better at picking extremly promising skaters for their team - and or b) more skaters with better skating asked to join their team and or - c) they improved their coaching approaches over the years of experience. It's probably all three.

Also it was NOT confirmed that Rozanov wanted to give them different choreo, that info you mentioned was from a gossip article with no named source.

As someone who is known for not always being the biggest fan of the coaches at Team Tutberidze even I find all those sudden claims that Rozanov was the sole power behind all of Team Tut's successes ridiculous. That is such a discredit to not only Dudakov, Eteri and Daniil but also to all the girl's former coaches who taught the girls all their basics in jumps (e.g. all their triples), skating skills, spins and so on.
Also Evgenia, Alina and Yulia were already amazing skaters before Rozanov joined.
When Alina joined Team Tutberidze she could barely land a 3S in competition. Two seasons later she showed some of the highest tech content at that time during her junior debut. And that was before Rozanov joined.

I don't doubt that Rozanov was a great addition to the team and helped a lot (like helping Alena get her 3A back), but claiming that he did everything in the team and that he is the reason for the team's success and better skaters for the past three seasons is false.

 

[Ifwe]

Most of these girls you listed joined Team Tutberidze when they were around 11-12 and of course had coaches before that who taught them skating. If you watch Daria's, Adelia's and Kamila's old videos from two/three seasons ago when they were with their old coaches they were already amazing skaters with great skating skills, spins and jumps and had the same amount of quality in skating, what they were missing mostly was consistency and high tech content (like consistent 3-3s), which Team Tut gave them and which they have always been famous for even before Rozanov joined. Crediting Rozanov for all of their talents is a discredit towards their old coaches. Where do you think Alyona got her amazing skating skills from? Team Tut does not have better skaters now because of Rozanov, they have better skaters because a) they got better at picking extremly promising skaters for their team - and or b) more skaters with better skating asked to join their team and or - c) they improved their coaching approaches over the years of experience. It's probably all three.

Also it was NOT confirmed that Rozanov wanted to give them different choreo, that info you mentioned was from a gossip article with no named source.

As someone who is known for not always being the biggest fan of the coaches at Team Tutberidze even I find all those sudden claims that Rozanov was the sole power behind all of Team Tut's successes ridiculous. That is such a discredit to not only Dudakov, Eteri and Daniil but also to all the girl's former coaches who taught the girls all their basics in jumps (e.g. all their triples), skating skills, spins and so on.
Also Evgenia, Alina and Yulia were already amazing skaters before Rozanov joined.
When Alina joined Team Tutberidze she could barely land a 3S in competition. Two seasons later she showed some of the highest tech content at that time during her junior debut. And that was before Rozanov joined.

I don't doubt that Rozanov was a great addition to the team and helped a lot (like helping Alena get her 3A back), but claiming that he did everything in the team and that he is the reason for the team's success and better skaters for the past three seasons is false.

I think he only helped with the quads and triple axels along side with dudakov since both of them are specialist on jumps techniques.

 

[Mathman]

Yeah, and Twilight is about the creepy love story of an ordinary girl and a vampire who has to control himself not to kill her.

Why doesn't everyone skate to that theme? It choreographs itself. She sticks out her neck, then pulls it back at the last second and does a triple Axel. :yes:

 

[AshWagsFan]

I'm not saying Rozanov was responsible for her win, but I don't think whether or not fans had heard of him correlates to who is doing the work at home. I hadn't heard of him at that point either, but it doesn't mean he wasn't an important part (although in this case someone said that thats apparently around when he joined the team, but the point is that whether or not he is known to the public doesn't mean much).

Oh, I agree, I just hadn’t realized they had a separate coach for novice. I thought it was just Eteri, Dudakov, and Daniil

 

[colormyworld240]

The thing is - how can you say for sure with whom her bond was stronger? Based on TV interviews and videos? The same as me, I can’t say it for sure.

Rozanov was very low-key and never appeared on screen during interviews at Sambo70. But Sasha’s bond with him at Junior Worlds 2018 really caught my attention, and it’s something I just realized last week when I rewatched the competition.

And also, what if SHE herself wanted to leave Eteri? Does it make her a criminal?

Why people must love Eteri and want to be coached by her in order to be appreciated in this thread?

Jesus, of course there were misunderstandings between Sasha and Her coaching team at Sambo70, we could see the tension rise during kiss and cry since GPF. The constant change of layouts, the poor choreography, the worse costumes than Anna and Aliona, I would have left too. Eteri has too many star students, I would want full attention on me if I were a top skater.

I think you really need to check your facts here. Judging by your comments on Sasha + Sergei, 2018 JWs, and Sasha's quads, I am under the impression that you do not know what Dudakov and Rozanov look like, at all.

Sergei Dudakov was the coach who was with Sasha Trusova at her first junior worlds (along with Daniil). He was the one who congratulated her after her skate, right before he went to Alena before she skated. Sasha has credited Dudakov for teaching her the 4S, 4T, and 4Lz, many times. He was also the one consoling her after the disastrous nationals freeskate this past season. Dudakov is the one she has a bond with as per her many interviews. Rozanov could also have a bond with her, but he has never travelled with Sasha to international competitions AFAIK and I have never read an interview where she credits him for her quads.

Just because two people have the same first name doesn't mean they're the same person.

 

[colormyworld240]

I think Mishin said something along these lines, that flexibility makes muscles more susceptible to injury. A user in this forum also quoted a post about what sports go and don't go with figure skating - rhythmic gymnastics were especially not recommended, but artistic or acrobatic gymnastics are considered just fine.

I think there has been a trend, at least with the current Russian ladies. Anna, the most flexible, had 2 serious injuries (broken leg, broken arm - though the broken arm wasn't from skating). Alina, the same. Alena has also had smaller injuries. Sasha who is probably one of the least flexible skaters, has never been injured AFAIK, despite performing the most quads.

I wonder if there is also a negative correlation between flexibility and the ability to build muscle.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Most of these girls you listed joined Team Tutberidze when they were around 11-12 and of course had coaches before that who taught them skating. If you watch Daria's, Adelia's and Kamila's old videos from two/three seasons ago when they were with their old coaches they were already amazing skaters with great skating skills, spins and jumps and had the same amount of quality in skating, what they were missing mostly was consistency and high tech content (like consistent 3-3s), which Team Tut gave them and which they have always been famous for even before Rozanov joined. Crediting Rozanov for all of their talents is a discredit towards their old coaches. Where do you think Alyona got her amazing skating skills from? Team Tut does not have better skaters now because of Rozanov, they have better skaters because a) they got better at picking extremly promising skaters for their team - and or b) more skaters with better skating asked to join their team and or - c) they improved their coaching approaches over the years of experience. It's probably all three.

Also it was NOT confirmed that Rozanov wanted to give them different choreo, that info you mentioned was from a gossip article with no named source.

As someone who is known for not always being the biggest fan of the coaches at Team Tutberidze even I find all those sudden claims that Rozanov was the sole power behind all of Team Tut's successes ridiculous. That is such a discredit to not only Dudakov, Eteri and Daniil but also to all the girl's former coaches who taught the girls all their basics in jumps (e.g. all their triples), skating skills, spins and so on.
Also Evgenia, Alina and Yulia were already amazing skaters before Rozanov joined.
When Alina joined Team Tutberidze she could barely land a 3S in competition. Two seasons later she showed some of the highest tech content at that time during her junior debut. And that was before Rozanov joined.

I don't doubt that Rozanov was a great addition to the team and helped a lot (like helping Alena get her 3A back), but claiming that he did everything in the team and that he is the reason for the team's success and better skaters for the past three seasons is false.

I never said I think Rozanov is behind Team Tutberidze’s success, it would be insane.

But he totally learned from their methods and gave his own touch. I think he made amazing job with the novices, even if they were already great.

I honestly looked for the video I am sure i saw of Sasha at a competition with him in the 2018 season, I really thought it was Worlds, but I rewatched Worlds and realized it wasn’t it, my mistake, pardon me. I keep looking for the video, but can’t find it.

Again, I never said all of the talents/accomplishments of the girls were because of him, and now that I’ve reread my previous posts I understand I wasn’t the most clear.

Even so, I still think Rozanov >>>> Daniil.

Is Rozanov >>> Eteri/Dudakov? Of course not!!!

Daniil is not Team Tutberidze, Daniil is one of the elements that makes some people dislike Team Tutberidze because of his choreography. But maybe the blame on the choreography is not only Daniil’s, cause the guy probably gets burnt out of having to choreograph for so many kids per season. It’s too much. Team Tutberidze should get more choreographers, Daniil’s head only makes 2-3 good programs for season, the rest ends up being uninspired, because people are not creative machines.

 

[GINO]

The time when Sasha won her first world junior title was approx. when Rozanov just joined the team. And he definitely wasn't in Sofia with her. So no, he had zero to do with her title. That's nothing against him, but you people in your enthusuiasm shouldn't twist the facts.

Sorry, what? I think Sasha knows better who trained her for this tournament. In a recent interview to the question (What was the most memorable tournament for you?) she answered: "The most memorable tournament was junior worlds 18. It took a long time to prepare, all the coaches, except for Sergei Alexandrovich Rozanov, were at Olympics. We were preparing two quads for the world championship, before worlds we had the Russian Cup final, there I tried two quads for the first time".
I think it is clear that in the 17-18 season the main coaches were busy preparing for the Olympics (in February they were not at all in Khrustalny). Rozanov was with Sasha at all Russian Cup stages and spent the most time with her in training(like with Kamila and Daria this season). Sasha's 4T is largely his merit.

Edit: And of course, I forgot Sasha's words on Instagram about importance of Sergei in her career "Special thanks to Sergey Rozanov for his work and faith in me. He says little about himself, preferring deeds and not big words, but without his painstaking and honest work, there would be no achievements and victories. At the decisive moment, he offered me his shoulder, he is my reliable friend."

 

[flanker]

Sorry, what? I think Sasha knows better who trained her for this tournament. In a recent interview to the question (What was the most memorable tournament for you?) she answered: "The most memorable tournament was junior worlds 18. It took a long time to prepare, all the coaches, except for Sergei Alexandrovich Rozanov, were at Olympics. We were preparing two quads for the world championship, before worlds we had the Russian Cup final, there I tried two quads for the first time".
I think it is clear that in the 17-18 season the main coaches were busy preparing for the Olympics (in February they were not at all in Khrustalny). Rozanov was with Sasha at all Russian Cup stages and spent the most time with her in training(like with Kamila and Daria this season). Sasha's 4T is largely his merit.

See the colormyworld response. I bet you people truly mistake one Sergei for another. OK, Rozanov came earlier, but at the time he joined Sasha was already doing 4S thanks to Dudakov.

And he, together with Daniil, was with Sasha and Aliona at 2018 junior worlds. I was rather confused that someone can even claim otherwise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSe_FtmOmB4

 

[Resa]

I think there has been a trend, at least with the current Russian ladies. Anna, the most flexible, had 2 serious injuries (broken leg, broken arm - though the broken arm wasn't from skating). Alina, the same. Alena has also had smaller injuries. Sasha who is probably one of the least flexible skaters, has never been injured AFAIK, despite performing the most quads.

I wonder if there is also a negative correlation between flexibility and the ability to build muscle.

Sahsa is the least flexible? You can't do a cantilever like hers without being insanely flexible. Out of the three, i guess Aliona showed the least flexibility (looking at her programs and training snippets).

 

[zounger]

I find the Rozanov vs Eteri/Dudakov coach comparison très banal more interesting are:

Rozanov vs Plyshenko
Rozanov vs Orser
Plushenko vs Arutyunyan
Arutyunyan vs Dudakov
Rozanov vs Mishin
Plushenko vs Hamada
Hamada vs Arutyunyan
Plushenko vs Mishin
Orser vs Dudakov
....
...

 

[plushyfan]

They won't miss a beat without him. Young Sergei seems to be a good up-and-coming coach and the girls like him hopefully he will thrive with plushenko. But that remains to be seen and now there's a hell of a lot of pressure on young Sergei.

The "young Rozanov" is almost 31. That is young but he was able to gain some experiences.

 

[plushyfan]

I find the Rozanov vs Eteri/Dudakov coach comparison très banal more interesting are:

Rozanov vs Plyshenko
Rozanov vs Orser
Plushenko vs Arutyunyan
Arutyunyan vs Dudakov
Rozanov vs Mishin
Plushenko vs Hamada
Hamada vs Arutyunyan
Plushenko vs Mishin
Orser vs Dudakov
....
...

"Plushenko vs Mishin" Plushenko would protest loudest but the other comparison are ridiculous, too..

 

[zounger]

"Plushenko vs Mishin" Plushenko would protest loudest but the other comparison are ridiculous, too..

Why ridiculous? All of them are coaches they can be compared.

 

[starlight97]

Just saw the little new interview they did with Alena and she sounded extremely level headed and realistic regarding her future in skating and beyond.
She said in paraphrasing "that figure skating is not a sport where you can go on for 30 years and still win. You can still skate and please the audience, be in shows etc but you can't be on the big podiums anymore. Cause there are 15yo who produce many 4s and they have more power and energy than you. So I will skate for this season, the Olympic season and then pursue other dreams in life."
Wow! This is not only completely true and realistic but also a very healthy attitude.
Have Anna and Sasha ever made any comments regarding their longevity in the sport and their plans?

 

[plushyfan]

Why ridiculous? All of them are coaches they can be compared.

Yes, I wasn't exact . For example you can't compare Plushenko to anyone. He didn't showed any memorable coaching work yet because of some reasons. He is a 3 years old coach and in those years he didn't want to be a full time coach. We can say serious opinion on him maybe the end of this season. With this logic you can compare Eteri's first 3 years to Mishin for example... And how to compare Rozanov to Orser? Do you have enough information on Rozanov's works? Hardly believe it.