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2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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FFKKR I believe already has announced plans to introduce a fully competitive internal series of competitions.

But since their website still doesn't have the supposedly definite 2020/21 team selection, they haven't yet published a proposed calendar of events either.

First Test Skates, if there is still a need for those when senior GP also gets cancelled? Open to the public and media??

Everything is still up in the air it seems ...

It should be interesting but it's going to be so disappointing if we don't have a real season and since they just canceled the Junior Grand Prix the senior Grand Prix will not be far behind. I'm sure that means Challengers will be cancelled as well. Can Russia create their own Challengers that the isu would approve?
 
It should be interesting but it's going to be so disappointing if we don't have a real season and since they just canceled the Junior Grand Prix the senior Grand Prix will not be far behind. I'm sure that means Challengers will be cancelled as well. Can Russia create their own Challengers that the isu would approve?

I think it’s too late in the game for that. Hopefully we can restart in January with Nationals, Euros, 4CC, and Worlds.
 
It should be interesting but it's going to be so disappointing if we don't have a real season and since they just canceled the Junior Grand Prix the senior Grand Prix will not be far behind. I'm sure that means Challengers will be cancelled as well. Can Russia create their own Challengers that the isu would approve?

I am hoping that Russia will turn the Russian Cup series into a gigantic tournament and everyone will be there. And as they have a 14 year old rule for participating at Russian Nationals, Valieva, Usacheva etc. will be there too.
 
I am hoping that Russia will turn the Russian Cup series into a gigantic tournament and everyone will be there. And as they have a 14 year old rule for participating at Russian Nationals, Valieva, Usacheva etc. will be there too.

I wonder if they would skate in the KMS category, though, since there’s no JGP that’s how they will qualify for Jr Nationals. Assuming Jr Worlds will be on, its much more important for them to be selected for Jr Nationals to qualify a spot. Unless RusFed changes the rules and allows skaters to skate in cup events for both Jr and Sr. Maybe there will be additional events only for national team members?
 
I am hoping that Russia will turn the Russian Cup series into a gigantic tournament and everyone will be there. And as they have a 14 year old rule for participating at Russian Nationals, Valieva, Usacheva etc. will be there too.

It would be very unique and very amazing if that happens. And everyday covid-19 does not weaken brings us closer to your scenario.
 
Wow, why are you exalt Alena so much? Please don't do that. This is offensive to other ladies who are no worse than her, and to those who are better, like Alina. And this is harmful for Alena herself, because you can see how she doesn't become stronger in PCS, but only weakens.

I really fail to see how Alina is a "better" skater than Kostornaia?? I understand that it is subjective, but Kostornaia objectively has better posture, skating skills, and speed than Zagitova. She also has more graceful use of arms and hands. It can be argued that Zagitova has better facial expressions because Kostornaia is the type of skater who expresses the music through the body and less so the face, but Zagitova's hunched posture, weak skating skills, and poor speed and ice coverage at times detract from that quality. Just look at Kostornaia's junior programs, when she only had to do triples minus the axel. I would understand it if you had said that others might view Zagitova as better, but you just wrote as if it was fact that she is regarded as the better skater, when that is far from the truth.
 
Probably not honestly. I regularly feel like I'm not watching the same skating most others in the fandom are. I don't see where all the artistry that people keep losing it over nowadays is, for instance.

I believe Kostornaia's artistry can best be seen in her programs when she was a junior, before she had triple axels to worry about. Her Adios Nonino short program and Stella free are just remarkable to watch. She performed her Departure sp to its maximum at the 2018 JGPF. Now, her longer entrance into the triple axel has led her to often be off timing and rush.

For me, her Romeo and Juliet program really emphasized her graceful use of arms down to the fingers. I can understand the view that she looks cold now, but I wonder how someone can see her performances in the junior level and think that she lacks innate musicality. The way that she used her body to express every accent and mood of the music as a first-year junior was honestly a shock to see. That kind of musicality is rare even among seasoned veterans.
 
I fully disagree that Kostornaia's junior programs show any artistry (her refinement, yes; they don't even show any artistry from the choreographer), and I can name 10 retired veterans who were better musically at 15 and 16 than her. Of the current ones, if we aren't talking about an age-to-age comparison, I can still name 4 or 5 people. At the same age, I can still probably name three. It is quite easy for me to look at her junior performances (and also current ones) and say that. But if a fan thinks otherwise, you're allowed.
 
I fully disagree that Kostornaia's junior programs show any artistry (her refinement, yes; they don't even show any artistry from the choreographer), and I can name 10 retired veterans who were better musically at 15 and 16 than her. Of the current ones, if we aren't talking about an age-to-age comparison, I can still name 4 or 5 people. At the same age, I can still probably name three. It is quite easy for me to look at her junior performances (and also current ones) and say that.. But if a fan thinks otherwise, you're allowed.

Well, let's just agree to disagree then. If you can't perceive anything she performs as musical, then so be it. Just know that you have more people who disagree than agree with you.
 
Kostornaia objectively has better posture, skating skills, and speed than Zagitova. She also has more graceful use of arms and hands.

I don't understand what is wrong with Alina's posture. And It is very controversial that Aliona is better than Alina in skating skills.:
1. Balance (Alina), rhythmic knee action and precision of foot placement (Aliona)
2. Flow and effortless glide (Aliona)
3. Cleanness and sureness of deep edges (Aliona), steps (Alina), turns (Alina)
4. Power/energy (Alina) and acceleration (Aliona)
5. Mastery of multi-directional skating (Alina)
6. Mastery of one-foot skating (Alina)

Alina has a much more adult presentation, her movements are more conscious. Aliona's movements and facial expressions are still more juniorish and has lack life in them.
 
I don't understand what is wrong with Alina's posture. And It is very controversial that Aliona is better than Alina in skating skills.:
1. Balance (Alina), rhythmic knee action and precision of foot placement (Aliona)
2. Flow and effortless glide (Aliona)
3. Cleanness and sureness of deep edges (Aliona), steps (Alina), turns (Alina)
4. Power/energy (Alina) and acceleration (Aliona)
5. Mastery of multi-directional skating (Alina)
6. Mastery of one-foot skating (Alina)

Alina has a much more adult presentation, her movements are more conscious. Aliona's movements and facial expressions are still more juniorish and has lack life in them.

you can argue this until you are blue in the face, but this is all matter of personal opinion for both of you.

how about we just enjoy what these 2 wonderful skaters bring to the ice instead?
 
I am hoping that Russia will turn the Russian Cup series into a gigantic tournament and everyone will be there. And as they have a 14 year old rule for participating at Russian Nationals, Valieva, Usacheva etc. will be there too.

Well, Yagudin opened his mouth again, but this time he said something that actually makes sense (must have read your post) :)

Why don't we, with our pool of figure skaters, make our big competition out of the Russian Cup? It will be in no way inferior to the World Championship if you'd look at its entry-list. And among girls, the entry-list would be even stronger. If all this is conducted in good arenas with the coverage by 1TV channel, then such tournaments would be watched by millions.

People miss figure skating. I don't believe that any international competition is possible until next year. I'm pretty sure they won't be held. But we have a lot of skaters to make a competition of the “Grand Prix" level here in Russia.
 
I would be glad, but Aliona's fans constantly exalt her over the rest of the ladies.

no actually they don't, and i could say the same about you with Alina because this is not the first time you've gotten your panties in a bunch for someone saying another skater is better than Alina.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion and it's not offensive to think another skater is better than Alina.
 
When Alina starts step sequence of her Carmen, I see authentic passion, smile and enthiusiasm. She may not be as skilled and graceful as Aliona, but she's definitely more authentic than her. To me, Aliona's skating is perfect, beautiful and... soulless.
 
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