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One thing to remember is that there are thousands and thousands of fulltime students at universities big and small who also have to work the equivalent of fulltime employment or other responsibilities (I know, I worked at a university till March this year and I saw them). Sports stars don't have it harder than their fellow students.

People who are driven find their path and follow it, and full marks to them all.

There are many strategies one can implement to make it work, but I have a hard time believing the bold part. The reason for that is fatigue. Fatigue may hinder one's productivity and be annoying, but is it not a fatal weakness for an athlete?

I didn't work when I was in college, but I did when I was getting my master's degree and not only did I had my class load as a full time student, I also had to worry about my research project, my thesis, my (remote) part-time job and my duties as a research assistant and a teacher. My part-time job was not as time consuming, but it was stressful and demanding, as was everything else on my plate back then. I think it can compare to what a full time student, working full time, is going through. I can proudly say I found my path and followed it, as you said, but you know what else happened? I was tired as f every single day. Not the normal kind of tired, but the deep, bone tired kind where you get dizzy and feel nauseous all the time. Back then I didn't have time to even breath, so of course I ended up really sick at one time. That doesn't really seem like the type of thing an elite athlete should be feeling/doing to get satisfactory results. When I think of an elite athlete, I think of peak physical performance and health and not the always tired to the bones sick student I was. So I don't think a working student is the same as a sport star at all. Most working students are probably feeling extremely tired (and stressed about living expenses) but to be a top athlete, I would think, you need to be healthy and in top form.

Like I said at the beginning, there are strategies athletes can implement to succeed, like taking less load per semester, moving around classes so they take the "easier" ones when they have less time, choosing the more flexible professors, taking classes that offer mixed learning alternatives, being very open about their situation and bring up the subject to their professors so they can make a plan to work around projects and exams. Also, being very careful about the schedule. If they're really sport stars, then they have obligations they need to attend, so their team needs to make sure an important event doesn't overlap with the final exam with the most difficult and inflexible professor ever. I'm assuming those kind of things are what the young college students are doing and it must be really difficult for them. I think they deserve a lot of credit for it.
 
The interviewee claimed any american skating coach, especially male, would lose his job if spoke about weight to his underage female student. No word about harassing, shaming or bullying.
I bet most figure skating coaches don't have nutrionists at their training place, nor have time for providing individual nutrition plans for specific skaters, so it's rather a fantasy argument. They just do what they can to keep athlete injury-free: tell them they need to lose weight, so their bodies could endure the training.
Finally, keeping track of skaters' physical shape is most obviously showing concern and coaching skill.

Physical shape is not weight. Simply telling a skater to lose weight... pfftt, anyone can do that. Not what I would expect of a top tier coach. Depending on how they did it (Rafael has given interviews on how USFS had to counsel him not to call skaters “fat”), the coach would indeed be subject to sanctions, although I presume informal counseling would come first.

Skaters with Rafael A. (Adam Rippon), Brian (Zhenya) and many others have been given nutritionists to work with. It is not a fantasy world with the coaches of the skaters that I follow, but rather, considered “best practice”.

I can’t speak for every skater or every coach, obviously. :shrug:
 
Physical shape is not weight. Simply telling a skater to lose weight... pfftt, anyone can do that. Not what I would expect of a top tier coach. Depending on how they did it (Rafael has given interviews on how USFS had to counsel him not to call skaters “fat”), the coach would indeed be subject to sanctions, although I presume informal counseling would come first.

Skaters with Rafael A. (Adam Rippon), Brian (Zhenya) and many others have been given nutritionists to work with. It is not a fantasy world with the coaches of the skaters that I follow, but rather, considered “best practice”.

I can’t speak for every skater or every coach, obviously. :shrug:
Even if, nutrionists can do only that much if the skater is lacking strong will.
To be honest, I doubt there are hordes of coach-abusers in figure skating world looking to ridicule non-obedient pupils at the very first adequate moment. I think they try to discuss the matter in a delicate way in the beginning, then if skater continuously doesn't care, they face two options: to waste years of mutual effort and part their ways, or to push the athlete. I agree that from pc and aesthetical stand of point, they probably should choose the easier option and go on with their lives. Then, in 10-15 years the former students are going to praise all the fun and easy-going atmosphere of their past hobbies, while the other ones sigh and recall the pain and suffering preceeding their Olympic medals.
 
Even if, nutrionists can do only that much if the skater is lacking strong will.
To be honest, I doubt there are hordes of coach-abusers in figure skating world looking to ridicule non-obedient pupils at the very first adequate moment. I think they try to discuss the matter in a delicate way in the beginning, then if skater continuously doesn't care, they face two options: to waste years of mutual effort and part their ways, or to push the athlete. I agree that from pc and aesthetical stand of point, they probably should choose the easier option and go on with their lives. Then, in 10-15 years the former students are going to praise all the fun and easy-going atmosphere of their past hobbies, while the other ones sigh and recall the pain and suffering preceeding their Olympic medals.

I don’t understand the reference to “strong will”.

Of course, the weight of highly trained elite athletes has nothing to do with “strong will”. That is the old discredited way of thinking: skinny is good, losing weight is good, and anyone can lose weight and be skinny if they just try.

Eating disorders start this way. ETA: in part, of course it is complex. But one reason that coaches are counseled not to use words like “fat” is 1) it does diddly boop to help the skater and 2) it could contribute to ED’s. There are far safer and more creditable ways to achieve the skater’s goals.

And if standing up for the health of young athletes makes a coach “pc”, than I say :clap:.
 
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While we are waiting for the skating season to begin - why not watch a good old movie?:yahoo:

All About Eve - from 1950

Now, you might think this is old crap, but it is not. This movie still holds the record of 14 Oscar nominations (shared with Titanic and La La Land, but they had a bunch of technical nominations that didn't exist in 1950).

This is Bette Davis' signature movie. She is absolutely fabtastic. All the other actors are great too and Marilyn Monroe has a part in it (before she got famous). And it's the only movie Monroe was in that got the Oscar for best movie.

Download and watch.:popcorn:
 
Seems like yulia already gave birth a month ago to a little Baby girl named Catalina(correct me if i got the name wrong) i mean we knew she was pregnant but i didnt think that she was that far along when she made it public.
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Whaaaaat? That was like a soap opera pregnancy and birth. ;) Congratulations to Yulia. :) I wonder if Yulias coaching days are over.
 
Seems like yulia already gave birth a month ago to a little Baby girl named Catalina(correct me if i got the name wrong) i mean we knew she was pregnant but i didnt think that she was that far along when she made it public.
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Congrats to them both, since her daughter is a month old it sounds like she was either really early (hope not as that can cause complications) or rightfully given her experience with the press was able to keep it quiet till right before the baby was born
 
The interviewee claimed any american skating coach, especially male, would lose his job if spoke about weight to his underage female student. No word about harassing, shaming or bullying.
I bet most figure skating coaches don't have nutrionists at their training place, nor have time for providing individual nutrition plans for specific skaters, so it's rather a fantasy argument. They just do what they can to keep athlete injury-free: tell them they need to lose weight, so their bodies could endure the training.
Finally, keeping track of skaters' physical shape is most obviously showing concern and coaching skill.

Well nothing is stopping either the skater or the skater's parents (since figure skating is often started in childhood) from going and seeing a nutritionist independently. But that costs money, it would also cost money if their coach had on-staff a nutritionist and figure skating is a crazy, expensive sport as it is.
 
But the proper answer to this question was given in the Orwell's "1984" book.
Sometimes the FS looks like a sport from this great book.
 
Whaaaaat? That was like a soap opera pregnancy and birth. ;) Congratulations to Yulia. :) I wonder if Yulias coaching days are over.

Aliona Savchenko and Meagan Duhamel just had young daughters, yet nobody appears to be doubting that they'll be back coaching/doing shows? Lots of female coaches have children, e.g. Eteri Tutberidze, Marina Zueva, the mothers of the three Russian-American boys at Junior Worlds (off the top of my head). Of course they're a little older, with more established careers, but still... Returning to work (after the necessary maternity leave) is the norm for women nowadays, whether through choice or economic necessity.
 
Aliona Savchenko and Meagan Duhamel just had young daughters, yet nobody appears to be doubting that they'll be back coaching/doing shows? Lots of female coaches have children, e.g. Eteri Tutberidze, Marina Zueva, the mothers of the three Russian-American boys at Junior Worlds (off the top of my head). Of course they're a little older, with more established careers, but still... Returning to work (after the necessary maternity leave) is the norm for women nowadays, whether through choice or economic necessity.

I don't think Eteri's career was established at all when Diana was born :). Yulia will do great!
 
I wonder if Yulias coaching days are over.

Eteri used to travel all over Moscow to teach her students at various rinks with baby Diana in a pram; and Yulia has her own academy - so, I'm sure she'll be fine.
 
Whaaaaat? That was like a soap opera pregnancy and birth. ;) Congratulations to Yulia. :) I wonder if Yulias coaching days are over.

All of the coaches from the academy deal with newborn babies...:luv17: Elena Ilinykh has also a baby , Yulia and her boyfriend, too. ;) I believe they will start the work some months time.
 
Congrats to them both, since her daughter is a month old it sounds like she was either really early (hope not as that can cause complications) or rightfully given her experience with the press was able to keep it quiet till right before the baby was born
It's sad that Yulia is still hiding from the media. When she became a Phenom at 15 and a sort of icon in Russia it took a great toll on her especially when the media was chasing her around. But I guess to protect herself she needed to keep the news of her pregnancy and baby as quiet as possible so she could control things.
Aliona Savchenko and Meagan Duhamel just had young daughters, yet nobody appears to be doubting that they'll be back coaching/doing shows? Lots of female coaches have children, e.g. Eteri Tutberidze, Marina Zueva, the mothers of the three Russian-American boys at Junior Worlds (off the top of my head). Of course they're a little older, with more established careers, but still... Returning to work (after the necessary maternity leave) is the norm for women nowadays, whether through choice or economic necessity.
They are a lot older than Yulia is and none of them we're young phenoms at 15 having to deal with a lot and none of them had children at age 22. But for sure they have all gone through a lot having their own families and still coaching.
Eteri used to travel all over Moscow to teach her students at various rinks with baby Diana in a pram; and Yulia has her own academy - so, I'm sure she'll be fine.
I hope she is fine and it seemed like the baby came awfully fast.
All of the coaches from the academy deal with newborn babies...:luv17: Elena Ilinykh has also a baby , Yulia and her boyfriend, too. ;) I believe they will start the work some months time.
Did Elena also have a girl?

All these mothers in figure skating who have had newborn babies need to have a good coaching staff around them because obviously coaching is not their top priority right now. And is it safe to even bring a baby like under 2 years old to a skating rink where it's freezing in there?
 
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