2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Something I have been thinking about.
Maybe Plushenko can lure these kids to his "nest" and assure them there will be more money and shows with him.
But...
Isn't it a bit boring to do all these shows day in day out? You don't have the adrenalin of the competition, and isn't that what many of these athletes are after?
I am thinking especially about Trusova. She is a firehouse, a figher, a competitor. She looooves to jump, I don't think she is interested in doing beautiful spirals in shows? Maybe Plushenko can fix some special "jump" shows for her, but will she be content with that?
Wasn't it exactly this reason that made Zagitova re-think after she took her "time-out"? She found the shows were a bit boring and she missed to compete...
Maybe it's just me. I follow figure skating because of the sport and the competition element. I love the combination of technique and artistry which makes this sport unique. But I never watch exhibitions (I find them totally uninteresting) and I would never ever watch a show.
I guess I am just thinking out loud here...but what do you guys think?
Maybe Plushenko can lure these kids to his "nest" and assure them there will be more money and shows with him.
But...
Isn't it a bit boring to do all these shows day in day out? You don't have the adrenalin of the competition, and isn't that what many of these athletes are after?
I am thinking especially about Trusova. She is a firehouse, a figher, a competitor. She looooves to jump, I don't think she is interested in doing beautiful spirals in shows? Maybe Plushenko can fix some special "jump" shows for her, but will she be content with that?
Wasn't it exactly this reason that made Zagitova re-think after she took her "time-out"? She found the shows were a bit boring and she missed to compete...
Maybe it's just me. I follow figure skating because of the sport and the competition element. I love the combination of technique and artistry which makes this sport unique. But I never watch exhibitions (I find them totally uninteresting) and I would never ever watch a show.
I guess I am just thinking out loud here...but what do you guys think?
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I think it's a bit of both Jon. No question the promise of more money is alluring and no question these super made girls that plushenko just got are unbelievable competitors. I don't think any of the girls he got recently will be doing a lot of shows maybe one here or there. But if the pandemic ruins the next couple of seasons then at least they have something to fall back on. And they deserve every penny they make in shows or sponsorships. They are that good.
Like you I also follow the sport for competition on ice not for shows or drama or anything like that.
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1. Eteri denied it publicly many times (ask Vaits)
2. I'm talking no support for Eteri in her time in smaller rinks, even before "Khrustalnyi".
Vaits or not, the fact remains
I read your post like covering the whole period up to 2014.
I can agree that up to 2008 and Sambo she did not receive support.
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Vaits or not, the fact remains
I read your post like covering the whole period up to 2014.
I can agree that up to 2008 and Sambo she did not receive support.
It has nothing to do with fed “supporting” Eteri or anyone, they simply had no choice, they just had to go for most reliable and consistent option for team event, because it was Sochi, those were OG in Russia and a pretty huge deal for the country image wise.
Adelina was a risk for that gold medal due to her inconsistency, it’s as simple as that.
They snubbed Kovtun all together despite him being a national champion, pretty much for the same reason.
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No choice?
Adelina was actually included, sent to Sochi and several days before the event she was told that she will not participate.
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Which means what exactly? That she was considered? Yes, it’s not the question.
If fed wanted to support Eteri they wouldn’t have overburdened 15 y.o. Julia with 4 skates at Olympics, that’s too much for a new senior, the burnout from that was not in the interest of neither Julia nor Eteri.
Fed acted in the way that gives them the highest chance of a team gold medal.
Whether or not Adelina was included in the team event had neutral to negative outcome for Julia: either 0 difference to Julia, because she would still skate and get a team medal, or made her life harder, because she had to skate another program. So if anything, I’m really failing to see the benefit of that to Julia.
Every skater cares more about the individual event, it would be in Julia’s best interest to just skate 1 program in the team event.
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I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that it was less about supporting Eteri and more about the fact that Julia was looking all ready to become the next skating superstar, maybe on a Yuna/Plushy level. She had the skating, the buzz, the iconic program, the everything. The Federation would have been blind not to see that and want to capitalise on it. Poor Adelina turned into an afterthought to, well.... expected marketing riches.
It fell apart, but no one was to know that beforehand.
The whole "Federation hates Eteri" is a thing of the past.
Yes certainly there is envy cause she completely outshadowed CSKA which has always been the biggest club in Moscow and it's arguargbly no more (although imo they were struggling even before but still benefiting from the best funding), but i think the key people also understand most of the medals in ladies come from her group so they probably know destroying a system that works is not good, unless they know something else that we don't.
As far as what we've seen so far, Eteri gets the funding and the best scores in Russia: if you look at for instance Kunitsa still getting funding from the main team despite he didn't even compete in the Junior GP series or JWorld and he's moving to Ice Dance, while other men skaters who actually brought international results get less than him.
Judging at domestic competitions is always pro Eteri these days, i'd say even too much with the boys where the performances from their students are definitely not as convincing.
I don't buy this EG being the victim, like Gleikhengauz said in his video, this is their job, they see skaters coming and leaving all the time.
Yes certainly there is envy cause she completely outshadowed CSKA which has always been the biggest club in Moscow and it's arguargbly no more (although imo they were struggling even before but still benefiting from the best funding), but i think the key people also understand most of the medals in ladies come from her group so they probably know destroying a system that works is not good, unless they know something else that we don't.
As far as what we've seen so far, Eteri gets the funding and the best scores in Russia: if you look at for instance Kunitsa still getting funding from the main team despite he didn't even compete in the Junior GP series or JWorld and he's moving to Ice Dance, while other men skaters who actually brought international results get less than him.
Judging at domestic competitions is always pro Eteri these days, i'd say even too much with the boys where the performances from their students are definitely not as convincing.
I don't buy this EG being the victim, like Gleikhengauz said in his video, this is their job, they see skaters coming and leaving all the time.
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In a hard time like this when competitions don't exist, you still need to earn money somehow, don't you
And don't forget it is the parents who are making that decision, they are the ones who are 'investing' the money in all those skaters after all. I would say it is less about the relationship with the coach (unless we are talking about extremes) and more about the parents and funds and aspirations they have.
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Luckily neither Anna nor Alena nor Sasha nor Eteri nor Plushy have ever had anything handed to them. They have all had to work hard for where they are in the skating world and they will continue to do so. :agree: in fact, I can’t think of any elite skater who has had anything handed to them. The work they all must put in, no matter which coach they train with or which country they skate for, is amazing
And jumping off and not directed at you, Scott, unless I have proof with quotes directly attributed to persons, I never jump to conclusions about jealousy, conspiracies, money or the man on the moon. It is what my years of life experience has taught me.
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Adelina was not excluded from the Team to do Eteri a favor by draining Yulia out before the actual competition by having her skate twice in that Team show off. It in fact very much hurt Yulia.
Adelina was excluded cause she had had a disaster season up until nationals and was an extremely unreliable hit or miss skater while Yulia had been consistent. And they obviously wanted that Team gold in their home Olympics with Putin watching live in the arena.
What an uninformed statement.
Anything to take any possible dig at Tutberidze, succes really does draw the flies to the table..
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+ I believe Sotnikova mentioned using being excluded from the team event as motivation. But I agree with your premise, choosing Lipnitskaia to skate both programs had nothing to do with a 'favor' or 'bias' towards Eteri it had to do with Lipnitskaia's consistency and likely Sotnikova's lack of consistency; given the Ice dance competition at the time it was unlikely they placed above 3rd place, Mens was a huge question mark with what Plushenko was going to be able to do, they couldn't afford to have ladies being a question mark as well.
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Competitions come around not that often, for the vast majority of their days the skaters are at the rink practice practice practice. No adrenaline, no audience, no excitement. That's the reality of any sport.
Galas bring fun and relaxation. Shows bring audiences, appreciation (especially in the case of the Japanese shows which can be enormous fun to watch) and yes, money. Were I them, I'd happily take it.
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