2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Thrashergurl]

There will always be a few surprises in figure skating results. I wouldn’t t be surprised to see new girls winning events. On the positive side, at least there could potentially be a season

 

[Jontor]

Well I think this does not look great for the Russian ladies because they have so much depth compared to America and Japan. you know who the top Americans will be you know who the top Japanese girls will be we think we know who the top Russian girls will be.

Does this name the Grand Prix event in Moscow will be only of Russian ladies?

I think the Russian GP will include anyone who trains in Russia. So Ryabova, Tursynbaeva, and probably Safonova and Kurakova too.

 

[lopsilceci]

Well I think this does not look great for the Russian ladies because they have so much depth compared to America and Japan. you know who the top Americans will be you know who the top Japanese girls will be we think we know who the top Russian girls will be.

Does this name the Grand Prix event in Moscow will be only of Russian ladies?

The participation in each individual ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating event would be limited to:
Competitors and Officials of the host country and
Competitors regularly training in the respective host country and
Competitors from other ISU Members who will be assigned to a Grand Prix of Figure Skating event in the respective geographical area, always subject to the applicable travel, entry and sanitary restrictions of the concerned countries.

I guess most of them will be... Almost all russian ladies train in Russia and I think Elizabet is the only non-russian lady that trains there. Maybe the third point could include other skaters that are in nearby countries but I don't know who that could be.

 

[Jontor]

It will be very interesting to know how one qualifies for the final. Won’t be very fair when the lady who wins Skate Canada has a lower total score than whoever wins the LP at Rostelecom. Or when 12th place in ice dance at Skate Canada would’ve won NHK. But if they go by scores and certain feds inflate their scores like a nationals...what a mess.

If the winners go to GPF then we might have this scenario:

SC: Alicia Pineault
SA: Bradie Tennell
IdF: Maé-Bérénice Méité
CoC: Hongyi Chen
Ros: One of the 3A's
NHK: Rika Kihira

If Medvedeva can get into Canada, and stay there, she can easily win Skate Canada.

But the Russian and Korean girls are the biggest losers.

 

[TallyT]

A popular argument in GS (and elsewhere) is this: Eteri, as a grown woman (adult), should not trash/bash the teen girl when she leaves. What Eteri has done is classless, ...
So whenever a high profile student left her, if she dared to say anything, she's trashing/bashing the poor teen girl, she's the devil by default.

This 'Eteri vs teen' argument is wrong! When a top skater left her group, she had the right to explain what she knew and how she felt, because she's not talking to the teen at that moment - she's talking to the teen's parents, the other coaches, the federation, the fans (and anti-fans), and the public. Is this a one-side story? Yes, all she's saying is of course "one side". It's not her responsibiity to provide the other side.

It is her responsibility to do so as a decently brought up adult and not a toddler throwing a tantrum in public though. In fact - even though they are teenagers - the girls she is lashing out at also have that responsibility and guess what? - one and all they seem to have managed it pretty well.

She does not explain, she simply bashes and throws graceless hissy fits.

 

[fabienne1996]

I think the Russian GP will include anyone who trains in Russia. So Ryabova, Tursynbaeva, and probably Safonova and Kurakova too.

If tursynbaeva is even skating, because i havent heard from her in a while.

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[Lunalovesskating]

If tursynbaeva is even skating, because i havent heard from her in a while.

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Lilbet is in Kazakhstan and from what I have seen on her SNS the last few months she has not been on ice for a long time.

 

[nussnacker]

Yes, but reasonable to you, Eteri, those in favour of less jumps and more artistry, etc., etc., but unreasonable to Sasha. So what if she just wants to jump all day, she's not declaring that she should win the most medals or is the best skater in the world. She just likes to jump. It might be a reasonable approach to winning competitions, but what if her first priority is to jump as many quads as possible?

But I think Sasha stated that her goal is an olympic gold a few times. Aliona said she’d just be happy to go to Olympics, whereas Sasha expressed a strong desire to win.
I think Eteri went off from a long-term strategy of getting used to skating your clean maximized content. Adding things gradually. It might not be up Sasha’s street right now, but I think it’s a wise approach that ensures her success in the future and reaching her ultimate goal possible.
If Sasha would’ve gradually increased the complexity, and got used to NOT leaving herself a room for mistakes and skating clean every time, I think it would’ve made her skate her olympic program clean with that exact amount of quads and 3A she aspires to do.
Besides, leaving points on the table on spins, pcs and stsq is also not the best thing, they add up to a significant amount, I think we all agree on that. Daniil Samsonov’s smart Layout +spins in the free gave him like 5-6 points of advantage, that’s a BV of a triple. So she would need that too to reach her ultimate goal.

Regardless, I think your main point is correct. Maybe she changed her priorities, maybe she doesn’t want to put it off and wants to do what she wants now, not later. It’s what she wants, and she should go with her gut.
I would be happy to see her or Aliona or Anna on the top of the Olympic podium, they’re all very deserving of that Olympic glory.

 

[lopsilceci]

Lilbet is in Kazakhstan and from what I have seen on her SNS the last few months she has not been on ice for a long time.

Hopefully, she's in Russia now or will be soon now that training has resumed in Khrustalny.
There was a recent IG post with photos of her and her brother and the place they were at looked like a rink, so it's possible that she had already started her training back in Kazakhstan, even if she didn't post about it.

 

[fabienne1996]

Hopefully, she's in Russia now or will be soon now that training has resumed in Khrustalny.
There was a recent IG post with photos of her and her brother and the place they were at looked like a rink, so it's possible that she had already started her training back in Kazakhstan, even if she didn't post about it.

Do we even know if she goes back to skating internationally? I mean hasnt it been almost a year since we have seen her on ice?

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[Jeanie19]

If the winners go to GPF then we might have this scenario:

SC: Alicia Pineault
SA: Bradie Tennell
IdF: Maé-Bérénice Méité
CoC: Hongyi Chen
Ros: One of the 3A's
NHK: Rika Kihira

If Medvedeva can get into Canada, and stay there, she can easily win Skate Canada.

But the Russian and Korean girls are the biggest losers.

Young You and I think Mae are in U.S, Satoko is in Canada.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

I am really happy that Kostornaya and Trusova are going to train separately from each other. But the beautiful fairytale prince Sergey Rozanov can't be at two places in the same time, right? How are they going to manage that? So maybe for Trusova - half of the time Pluschenko training, half of the time Rozanov training. And then Kostornaya is left only with half of the time Rozanov training?

 

[TallyT]

If the winners go to GPF then we might have this scenario:

SC: Alicia Pineault
SA: Bradie Tennell
IdF: Maé-Bérénice Méité
CoC: Hongyi Chen
Ros: One of the 3A's
NHK: Rika Kihira

If Medvedeva can get into Canada, and stay there, she can easily win Skate Canada.

But the Russian and Korean girls are the biggest losers.

Someone really needs to show this list to the genius who thought up the whole thing. Actually, we should copy it to the main GP thread and add the umm, interesting finalists from other disciplines as well...

 

[fabienne1996]

I am really happy that Kostornaya and Trusova are going to train separately from each other. But the beautiful fairytale prince Sergey Rozanov can't be at two places in the same time, right? How are they going to manage that? So maybe for Trusova - half of the time Pluschenko training, half of the time Rozanov training. And then Kostornaya is left only with half of the time Rozanov training?

From what the information given yesterday said they dont skate at the same time, so mabye like sashas training is before or after alyonas training. So rozanov wouldnt have to bee in 2 places

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[Scott512]

I guess most of them will be... Almost all russian ladies train in Russia and I think Elizabet is the only non-russian lady that trains there. Maybe the third point could include other skaters that are in nearby countries but I don't know who that could be.

How many skaters can participate in the Rostelecom GP? And if almost all of them can be Russian girls does that mean someone like Nastya G can actually get a Grand Prix event? If so it would be unbelievable that a worldwide pandemic would lead to her first Grand Prix event. The problem of course would be with almost all Russian Lady competitors the competition would be mind-boggling.

 

[IndiaP12]

If the winners go to GPF then we might have this scenario:

SC: Alicia Pineault
SA: Bradie Tennell
IdF: Maé-Bérénice Méité
CoC: Hongyi Chen
Ros: One of the 3A's
NHK: Rika Kihira

If Medvedeva can get into Canada, and stay there, she can easily win Skate Canada.

But the Russian and Korean girls are the biggest losers.

I don’t think it will be ONLY skaters in that country. South Korea and Japan would probably be able to go to China and South Korea and China to Japan. If Russia was reopened to Europe, then Europeans too COR and Russians to IDF.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

From what the information given yesterday said they dont skate at the same time, so mabye like sashas training is before or after alyonas training. So rozanov wouldnt have to bee in 2 places

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Oh, really? I thought they were skating in the same time, but at two different rinks???
Is it possible that prince Rozanov would have to take double shifts then?

 

[fabienne1996]

I don’t think it will be ONLY skaters in that country. South Korea and Japan would probably be able to go to China and South Korea and China to Japan. If Russia was reopened to Europe, then Europeans too COR and Russians to IDF.

But from what was said only the skater who live in the country or train in the country where the grand prix are held can skate in it. Wasnt that the information shared earlier?

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[TallyT]

But from what was said only the skater who live in the country or train in the country where the grand prix are held can skate in it. Wasnt that the information shared earlier?

From the relevant post on the GP thread

The participation in each individual ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating event would be limited to

1. Competitors and Officials of the host country and
2. Competitors regularly training in the respective host country and
3. Competitors from other ISU Members who will be assigned to a Grand Prix of Figure Skating event in the respective geographical area, always subject to the applicable travel, entry and sanitary restrictions of the concerned countries.

What it comes down to is local border restrictions, which is out of the ISU's hands. But Korean skaters will probably be assigned to China.

{edit} On the other hand, it reads as if to meet the third criteria, you must be from one of the non-GP countries ("other ISU members") and therefore Russian/Canadian/US/Chinese/French/Japanese skaters can only go to one GP, their home one or the one they train at. No IdF for Russian ladies.

 

[Scott512]

It is her responsibility to do so as a decently brought up adult and not a toddler throwing a tantrum in public though. In fact - even though they are teenagers - the girls she is lashing out at also have that responsibility and guess what? - one and all they seem to have managed it pretty well.

She does not explain, she simply bashes and throws graceless hissy fits.

We all wish she could handle things better. But it's hard for her. Then you add to the fact that in two months she lost Sasha and aliona after helping them become something very very special. I'm truly surprised EG has not lost her mind because this severely lessens her chance of coaching another gold medalist at the next Olympics. But yes no question the great coach needs some media lessons herself. On the other hand Danil is not so tough around the edges.

Has any coach ever lost two such talented skaters in the same discipline basically at the same time? I don't think so. But we all know departures were going to happen at some point because it's just too much talent in one discipline in one rink when everyone has the same goals. I just didn't think these drastic changes would take place until after the next Winter Olympics.