At least she would have gotten an international senior career. Who knows, maybe she would have had Samodurova's luck (who got 2 GPs without going to jwc or medalling at jgpf or jrusnats) to end in weakest GPs, compete in GPF, euros and win there when everyone else bombed.
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At least she would have gotten an international senior career. Who knows, maybe she would have had Samodurova's luck (who got 2 GPs without going to jwc or medalling at jgpf or jrusnats) to end in weakest GPs, compete in GPF, euros and win there when everyone else bombed.
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Eteri was her coach she switched to Plushenko shortly after Sasha did. I sadi Veronika may be Eteris biggest lost of al which is saying alot since Sasha and Aliona recetly departed TT.I just saw an Instagram video of this adorable little girl named Veronika Zhilina (sp?) holding a long spiral. Yaaaaayyyy!!!!!!�������� Good job girl! That was beautiful, mostly because she held it for quite a while and I could “see a picture”, she created a moment. Imagine that move on the crescendo of, say, Nessa Dorma.
No idea who she is or who her coach is.
Dont you want her to bring back R & J as an adult? It would be different but still very good.
At this pint Nastya is with a oood coach and has some stability. I hope she hangs in there and uses Liza as a role model that you can add super tough jumps in your 20s. But because of the unreal depth of the Russian girls keeping her career going is not going to be easy. She has to have atience and be more mature than she has been. To ave her career will be a battle. But I dont want to see her just go away and to university. If Rukavicin likes her then she still has a chance to be around a while If he parts ways with Nastya it would be almost impossible for her to recover from that. The pandemic hurts Nastya. She probably wont even get to leave Russia to skate for the next year or so and she was always judge more failry abroad than at home. This girl could really use a challenger.
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This has already been discussed to death, but TES is not about just having a 3A or even a quad. It's a numbers game, which is based on maximizing the BV from 3A and quads, but also the rest of the jumps, steps, and spins. Liza's 3A is a huge advantage especially if she does 3, but she loses almost all of that because of the rest of her jumps.
She also loses levels on her spins and steps sometimes. While the 3A is worth many points, other girls are making up these points with a little bit from each jumping pass, spin, etc. to get close to her TES. The advantage from jumping a 3A or quad is not only to have the points from those elements, but it also allows the repeat of highest valued jumps in place of lower valued ones. That's why it's also important to be able to do all the triples as well as different types of combinations - Liza in the past few seasons has been missing the 3S which has put her at a disadvantage.
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Yes, and the issue is her extremely suboptimal layout. I've said this many times in the past: While the Eteri girls absolutely maximize their layouts and get every point that there's possible to get with the highest BVs possible, Tuktamysheva completely wastes her 3A by having a BV of maybe 1 point higher than a normal layout without a 3A. Especially terrible are her trademark 2A+SEQ jump combos.
I think in Tuktamysheva's case it comes down to stamina, or lack thereof. It is hard and takes a lot of strength as it is to complete an usual 7 triple 4 double program, and when you add a 3A or a quad it just gets so more harder.
We mustn't forget that the 10% bonus in the second half is there because it is sooo much harder to jump on tired legs. When Zagitova had all her jumps in the second half in the Olympic season, it was something new that no one had ever tried before, because it is extremely hard. Had Medvedeva done the same she might have gotten the gold, but she just didn't have the strength and stamina for it.
I also think that this is the main reason why Trusova never could finish a clean 5 quad program last season. You need an insane amount of strength and stamina for it.
So, Liza's underwhelming layout is understandable. She's only human after all, and figure skating is hard
Hmm I don't think so though. I think it was issues with combos, and the 3F edge (whether she got the calls fairly or not is a different issue, I don't remember...). I don't get what was up with her combos for so long, she didn't even do a 3Lz+3T, 3Lo, 3A SP...
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Liza is like 23 years old and has been a senior for like 8 years. Don't you think she knows this don't you think she sees what EG girls do and how they rack up points? Lizas long time friends Adelina and Yulia could rack up the points. Julia did it a lot while adelina's racking up the points was very famous during the winter Olympics in 2014 where Liza would have been the third Russian girl if I had three spots.
One of the reason Aliona left the best coach was because she supposedly lost her triple axel. Let's see if she has her triple axel back by test skates and then they can move on to a quad. She went to young Sergey because she thought he could help her get her 3A back which she supposedly lost during not skating in the pandemic.
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Agreed.
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I don't know how about Liza, but sometimes it looks Mishin is very surprised by the fact that bad layout costs Liza plenty of points.
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Sometimes I am baffled as to why Tuktamysheva and Mishin look so dissatisfied with her scores. I’m certain they are both smart people, yet they seem to be ignorant of the fact that you must do transitions and you cannot leave out big chunks of choreography, and that a 2A + sequence doesn’t get many points, and the quality of your spins means a lot. (Tuk’s lack of flexibility should not be an excuse for poor spins; a good fast and aesthetically pleasing spin doesn’t have to mean touching your blade to your head, at least in my book.)
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As sad as it might sound, because I really like Elizaveta, her flip is a total lip.
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Also, as per new regulations, there will be 5 Cup events, with 12 singles in each category, 10 dance teams and 8 pairs for each stage max. The quotas for junior cups are bigger (18 singles, 15 dancers).
Hopefully, Kamila, Maiia, Daria and Anna opt for senior events, Nationals will be interesting to watch with them qualified.
Hopefully, Kamila, Maiia, Daria and Anna opt for senior events, Nationals will be interesting to watch with them qualified.
Valeria Shulskaya can skate at senior nationals?
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Maybe Liza knows this, but I don't think thats the point people are trying to make. The point is that the lower technical points are due to her layout, not to some robbery. Maybe its just due to lack of ability to do different combinations, backload, lack of practice on spins, step sequence etc, or maybe its just bad planning of the layout, or maybe some combination of the two. But the point is that the lack of transitions, the lack of difficult combinations, the use of point inefficient sequences (+2A), and loss of levels and GOE on spins, add up, so while it seems like because she does a triple axel, her scores should automatically be astronomical, that is in fact not the case. Maybe her jump height and technique is not properly credited sometimes, but that doesn't account for most of the point loss she gets.
I personally think its a combination of the two. Liza might not be able to do more difficult combinations like +3Lo or +eu+3S consistently, and may lack the stamina to backload difficult jumps and to do three different "ultra-si" jumps as they say. She might never be able to do crazy transitions in like the Eteri girls. And she might not be able to change that. But sometimes her layouts are just flat out bad. I don't care what anyone says, there's really never reason to do a +2A sequence, it literally loses her points on the base value. The fact that she continues to do that certainly means there is an issue with the planning. Its also very possible for her to improve her spins - there's no reason for her to ever be getting level 3s. There are plenty of spin variations and features that don't require extreme flexibility, just look at the men getting level 4s.
Why wouldn't she? She is 16. She could compete as a senior both domestically and internationally even last year. She competed last year at senior nationals and took 8th place.
Maybe they think that the height and distance of her jumps are enough to get good GOEs.
After all not necessary every skater who gets good GOEs has TR in and out.
Youn You is good example. She has almost the same BV than Tuktik in the free with one less 3A (very good layout) but have far higher GOEs. The most comparable performances are Tuktamysheva at SA and You at 4CC. Both have an UR call and a stsq 2 (You has a level 3 spin too). Tuktik got +9 while You got +15 GOE. Unless my memory fail me i don't think You has TR into all of her jumps. Maybe just one or two. You's program was more pleasing to the eye though.
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Haven't 14 year olds been able to compete senior domestically for years now?
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