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There’s also that thing that if she officially “retires”, she loses money from Fed. If she goes to Test Skates, she at least can say “I’m deciding later”.

Pretty sure the money side of it's a wash, from what's been said over the years, Eteri gets a piece of any endorsement deals her skaters get; so if Zagitova retires then she's no longer obligated to giving a portion of that money to Eteri. But then again some of her endorsement deals could be tied to her being a competitive skater, if I remember correctly it was said that was the situation with Lipnitskaia's deal with Adidas.
 
I would guess that kamila takes the stage were sasha and alyona are there, because lets face it eteri would love to get one over her former students. And possible the one with only alyona in it or withzhenha and sasha in it. .

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Maybe Kamila will be assigned to stage 4, this is the match that Federation (and everybody) wants to see.
 
And i guesss mabye alina wants to see how here chances are against the others now, that sasha and aljona left . It probably depends on how the others do and how she skates.

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Alina doesn't strike me as a stupid girl, so I hope she doesn't base her decision on how others perform at test skates. She's seen how slippery the ice can be, as Alena didn't even have a 3A at test skates, and then came out with one only weeks later, where as Sasha landed many quads in test skates and couldn't replicate that in the latter half of the season. And she should know from personal experience because she did well at test skates only to struggle with her nerves in competition later. She's been smart about her approach so far, focusing on herself and not others, so hopefully she doesn't think like you. All competitive skaters should know that the ice is slippery and right now skaters are gaining 3As/quads and losing their triples all over the place.

Using your logic, if everyone bombs at test skates, she's going to decide to skate the cup events? Then let's say in one event Sasha lands 5 quads and Alena learns a quad in addition to the 3A, is Alina going to quit then? This is not a healthy mindset and certainly not one of a champion.
 
RUSSIAN CUP ASSIGNMENTS (For senior national team members)

STAGE 1
- Shcherbakova
- Medvedeva
- Sinitsyna

STAGE 2
- Trusova
- Medvedeva

STAGE 3 -
- Shcherbakova
- Tuktamysheva
- Gulyakova
- Samodurova

STAGE 4
- Kostornaya
- Trusova
- Samodurova

STAGE 5
- Kostornaya
- Tuktamysheva
- Sinitsyna
- Gulyakova


No Alina... so I guess we will also not see her at test skates?
Edit: Kogan said that Alina will decide after test skates if she wants to take part in the RC or not
https://rsport.ria.ru/amp/20200821/zagitova-1576109340.html?__twitter_impression=true

Whole list with all disciplines here
https://t.co/d45ppbvTDo?amp=1

It's strange that there are only 2 seniors in stage 2 and 4 in stage 3. I know they will add other girls later, but I would think it would make more sense to spread out the senior national team members.
 
What do you think about this?
https://www.another site.com/r/FigureSkating/

I think Daria's jump layout and transitions into them are the same, but many skaters do this across different programs. For Daria, because she didn't learn any new jumps so far her layout remains the same. And especially because her jumps are unstable (she is not very consistent), keeping the same transitions probably increases her chances of going clean.

I hope the team takes the skaters' abilities into consideration when creating their programs. For Maiia, she got completely different music and choreo in the short which makes sense because her jumps do look much more stable than last season. But with Daria, at least in the free, they kept the same dramatic emotional love story theme, with similar transitions. If you think about it, Daria has always had her consistency issues in the free. There are only so many new things you can change while trying to increase consistency, so maybe if she can stabilize her jumps more this season she'll get something completely different next season. Or maybe she should've just kept last seaon's FS. I don't mean to criticize Daria, but it's clear her jumps are inconsistent in the long and maybe her team didn't think she could handle new transitions into them; even with the same transitions she still had issues at test skates.
 
Alina doesn't strike me as a stupid girl, so I hope she doesn't base her decision on how others perform at test skates. She's seen how slippery the ice can be, as Alena didn't even have a 3A at test skates, and then came out with one only weeks later, where as Sasha landed many quads in test skates and couldn't replicate that in the latter half of the season. And she should know from personal experience because she did well at test skates only to struggle with her nerves in competition later. She's been smart about her approach so far, focusing on herself and not others, so hopefully she doesn't think like you. All competitive skaters should know that the ice is slippery and right now skaters are gaining 3As/quads and losing their triples all over the place.

Using your logic, if everyone bombs at test skates, she's going to decide to skate the cup events? Then let's say in one event Sasha lands 5 quads and Alena learns a quad in addition to the 3A, is Alina going to quit then? This is not a healthy mindset and certainly not one of a champion.

Yes ice is slippery, but having to bank on yourself skating flawlessly (which she struggled to do last year) and someone with a quad/triple axel messing up and potentially needing them to make multiple mistakes probably isn't fun or enjoyable which is what she said she wanted to do last year, and the problem in Russia is that it's quickly becoming it's not just 1-2 skaters that you have to bank on messing up it's more than a few skaters. At the end of the day Zagitova has won every competition a skater really strives to win, now she's going for the gravy but if she's not enjoying it, or any of the skaters not just Zagitova, I hope they take a page from Lipnitskaia's book have the courage to walk away from it.
 
It's strange that there are only 2 seniors in stage 2 and 4 in stage 3. I know they will add other girls later, but I would think it would make more sense to spread out the senior national team members.

Maybe they originally put Alina there and then took her out?
 
Pretty sure the money side of it's a wash, from what's been said over the years, Eteri gets a piece of any endorsement deals her skaters get; so if Zagitova retires then she's no longer obligated to giving a portion of that money to Eteri. But then again some of her endorsement deals could be tied to her being a competitive skater, if I remember correctly it was said that was the situation with Lipnitskaia's deal with Adidas.
For me this is the only logical explanation for this farce.
 
Because of these two quotes from fed people.

Kogan: "Zagitova will participate in the test skates, and then we will see how she performs. Zagitova herself will determine how the work will proceed. This is, in principle, a joint decision ”

Gorshkov: "She will participate in the skates. - The decision on her participation in the season will be made after them."

Alina: "Cup of Russia? I'll think about that tomorrow" :)
 
I also didn't say any of the programs isn't created in the off-season. On the other hand, I doubt there was a program created on purpose during a fortnight before the test skates :biggrin:

As for "music in a minute", there are many examples, there are also poets who write poetry using chosen words in a short term, but let's be honest, that has a value for a variety show.

You can backtrack if you want, but you definitely said it's a whole year's work. Haha, well the music in a minute is just an example (although I think the song she created was a massive hit)... but the point here is completely being missed. It's the fact that Daniil is a professional choreographer and has been in this game for a while. We don't know how long it takes him to choreograph programs. With the jumps and spins, not as much needs to be choreographed as well.

The idea that a new program was created 2 weeks before is complete rubbish so I'm not even going to try to protect anyone saying that. :laugh:
 
Team Tutberidze posted this on their Instagram today: https://www.instagram.com/p/CEL6fOXJvMa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
It welcomes 3 new young coaches to the team: Artemiy Punin, Georgiy Pokhilyuk and Polina Tsurskaya :luv17:.
So, Polya is back to Sambo-70. Hope she (and the guys) will make a great coach and cannot wait to see her at boards with her students.

So wonderful to see Polina back, and nice that Eteri is giving her an opportunity!

In my opinion Alina just hasn't decided yet and needs more time. Saying after Test Skates is just a good justification, otherwise people would ask questions.
 
Alina: "Cup of Russia? I'll think about that tomorrow" :)

I expressed that opinion, that I don't want to see Alina on the cup stages, on a different forum. But still, I found it strange that they didn't put her name on the lists.
 
I expressed that opinion, that I don't want to see Alina on the cup stages, on a different forum. But still, I found it strange that they didn't put her name on the lists.

Not them, she didn't put her name on the list. The Queen decides.
 
You can backtrack if you want, but you definitely said it's a whole year's work. Haha, well the music in a minute is just an example (although I think the song she created was a massive hit)... but the point here is completely being missed. It's the fact that Daniil is a professional choreographer and has been in this game for a while. We don't know how long it takes him to choreograph programs. With the jumps and spins, not as much needs to be choreographed as well.

The idea that a new program was created 2 weeks before is complete rubbish so I'm not even going to try to protect anyone saying that. :laugh:

First I said:

"Programs are not created from scratch just in may/june (or generally just during offseason), unless it's some emergency situation, many ideas live some time, others just wait for proper skater or till a skater grows up etc."

And OK, I also said:

"That's not what I'm talking about, one thing is when the program is introduced to the skater, the other one when the idea itself appears, that's I believe, whole year's work, I doubt it is possible to create 20-30 programs from scratch during one or two months."

If that sounds to you that I want to say that every program any time is created during the whole year, or that it's impossible to do a program just during the off.season, than that's not what I wanted to say and I'm sorry for expressing myself badly. My point was that I can't imagine it is possible to create so many programs in such a short term, so "the whole year's work" was related to all the work on programs in the team. Iain't no choreographer but I can imagine that during the year I would listen every possible music to consider whether it is suitable for a program, gathering other sources of inspiration (books, movies, other art), then when I get the idea "this is a good music" or this is a good idea as a theme for the program, I would start with the ideas how to make a program for it and also for which skater this would be ideal. Is this OK?

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Team Tutberidze posted this on their Instagram today: https://www.instagram.com/p/CEL6fOXJvMa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
It welcomes 3 new young coaches to the team: Artemiy Punin, Georgiy Pokhilyuk and Polina Tsurskaya :luv17:.
So, Polya is back to Sambo-70. Hope she (and the guys) will make a great coach and cannot wait to see her at boards with her students.

That's one of the best news in those :agree:
 
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