2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

https://youtu.be/y-wwrv7Qiqg
The 3A looks underrotated and the 3T is excessively pre-rotated and it is underrotated too! Hmmm... I counted 3 revolutions in the air for the 3A and 2 revolutions in the air for the 3T...
It should be 3.50 revolutions in the air for the 3A

3.5 in the air for 3A? Oi, gurl... unless humans will evolve, grow wings and start flying somehow, I’m afraid we won’t see that 3.5 rotations in the air 3A.

 

[Seren]

I'm not particularly worried that skaters are having a little bit of difficulty with jumps right now. Being off the ice and a disruption in training has an effect. They are all motivated skaters- I'm not really worried about them getting back their elements. They will with time. Also, I would rather skaters be a little cautious and not get injured with this strange season.

And seriously, coming back to the ice is hard. I was off almost 80 days (I am an adult skater) and I felt like a baby deer the first few days back. I can't imagine coming back and doing the level of difficult elements as these elite skaters.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Better get that checked by your kindergarten teacher! :yes:

Bye bye!

 

[Gabby30]

I'm not particularly worried that skaters are having a little bit of difficulty with jumps right now. Being off the ice and a disruption in training has an effect. They are all motivated skaters- I'm not really worried about them getting back their elements. They will with time. Also, I would rather skaters be a little cautious and not get injured with this strange season.

And seriously, coming back to the ice is hard. I was off almost 80 days (I am an adult skater) and I felt like a baby deer the first few days back. I can't imagine coming back and doing the level of difficult elements as these elite skaters.

That's different. These elite athletes are doing these elements since childhood. It's like reading. You don't forget how to read when you don't read anything for months...

 

[Fried]

That's different. These elite athletes are doing these elements since childhood. It's like reading. You don't forget how to read when you don't read anything for months...

I'm sorry, but this comparison is completely stupid.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

"The word “double’’ or “triple’’ refers to the number of rotations a skater completes before landing on the opposite skate she took off from. Because a skater takes off for an axel skating forward and lands it skating backward, though, there’s really an extra half-rotation in the jump. A skater must complete 3.5 rotations before landing to successfully complete a triple axel."

 

[Fluture]

I admire your patience that you all keep replying to the “I only counted 2.736 revolutions when it should CLEARLY be 3.5“ posts.

As for Anna - I saw that post too but 1) we don‘t know how reliable it is 2) she‘s trying two quads, which means that she‘s restored the lutz at least already. Otherwise, if she didn‘t land it at least semi-reliably, she wouldn‘t risk the +REP. Also, she‘s been off the ice for months and it‘s only September - like others have said, there is zero cause for worry at this point.

Edit: Just saw Akatieva. She’s a charming one. I always think of Sasha when hearing that music so it will take some time getting used to it. But overall, I think her presentation improved and also that 3A, of course. :yes:

Shame Zhilina had that step out on her combo, I think she could have been the only one to challenge Akatieva. Well, she still can, in the FS at least. Berestovskaia is a cute performer but her jumps are a little small/wonky, imo.

 

[Skatesocs]

"The word “double’’ or “triple’’ refers to the number of rotations a skater completes before landing on the opposite skate she took off from. Because a skater takes off for an axel skating forward and lands it skating backward, though, there’s really an extra half-rotation in the jump. A skater must complete 3.5 rotations before landing to successfully complete a triple axel."

I'm sure that you can jump a triple axel with 3.5 rotations. You must accommodate the elites who find it impossible, however.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

I'm sure that you can jump a triple axel with 3.5 rotations. You must accommodate the elites who find it impossible, however.

Byebyebye

 

[ntnext]

Moscow Junior Competition - SP - the first 10.

10. Anastasia Zinina - 3Lz, 2A, 3T+3T, CCoSp2V (nS) tek 32.70 comp 24.84 scors 57.54
9. Mariya Paramonova - 2A, 3F+3T<<, 3Lz tek 32.28 comp 26.26 scors 58.54
8. Natalya Lagutova - 3F+3T, 2A, 3Lz tek 33.27 comp 24.48 scors 58.75
7. Elizaveta Medvedeva - 3F+3T<, 2A, 3Lz tek 33.82 comp 25.54 scors 59.36
6. Veronika Zhilina - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+COMBO+3T* tek 31.37 comp 29.46 scors 60.83
5. Kamila Sultanmagomedova - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+3T tek 35.76 comp 25.26 scors 61.02
4. Sofya Muravyova - 2A, 3F<+3T, 3Lz tek 32.90 comp 28.80 scors 61.70
3. Mariya Zakharova - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+3T tek 36.09 comp 27.48 ded -1 (fall on the StSq) scors 62.57
2. Elizaveta Berestovskaya - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+3T tek 38.95 comp 27.78 scors 66.73
1. Sofya Akatyeva - 3A+3T, 2A, 3Lz tek 43.93 comp 30.08 scors 74.01

 

[Lunalovesskating]

I really enjoyed Elizaveta Berestovskaya's Nutcracker program. Haven't seen a Nutcracker program in a while and I really missed them. The dress and tiara looked so fitting for the program :luv17: They need to work a little on her speed, but otherwise a wonderful skater

 

[ntnext]

Moscow Junior Competition - SP

Anastasia Zinina https://youtu.be/0m9Sav-SkEA
Natalya Lagutova https://youtu.be/KAYhlNS073A
Elizaveta Medvedeva https://youtu.be/gZBsRB_7AGw
Veronika Zhilina https://youtu.be/NUm7KiFHjtw
Kamila Sultanmagomedova https://youtu.be/iA2Cc2UjVdE
Sofya Muravyova https://youtu.be/boAbs7CplSA
Mariya Zakharova https://youtu.be/5bWBztDlZXw
Elizaveta Berestovskaya https://youtu.be/ixZQqozCmBg
Sofya Akatyeva https://youtu.be/ybE0-kbZEno

 

[kmw227]

I always enjoy watching the Russian youngsters, especially now, I'll take any skating I can get

Akatieva was obviously the class of the field today. Even with the long quarantine, she looks like she hasn't missed a beat! I like the program overall, but I think she should work on selling the step sequence more as that's when the music really builds. But a very solid first outing nonetheless.

I have a huge soft spot for Berestovskaya. There's a lot to be improved on, but she's such a performer that it doesn't even matter to me! Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy is a perfect fit for her.

Zhilina struggled a little, but IIRC she's struggled quite a bit with the combos in the past so it's likely not a huge deal. I actually think the program has a lot of potential if she can just use her face a little more.

I really like Muravyova's Ne Me Quitte Pas and I think she interprets it about as well as a 13 year old can. Test skates weren't too long ago but she's already grown into the program quite a bit! Her jumps aren't the greatest but I do enjoy her a lot.

 

[nussnacker]

Lena Radionova shared in an interview that she choreographed Liza Osokina’s FS. I’m glad Lena is doing some choreo/coaching at CSKA, she has a lot to share with talented youngsters.

 

[macy]

That's different. These elite athletes are doing these elements since childhood. It's like reading. You don't forget how to read when you don't read anything for months...

this is not how it works. not one of these skaters has forgotten how to jump. you don't just go out and start hitting quad after quad right off the bat after not doing them for months, or even skating at all. it takes time.

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Moscow Junior Competition - SP - the first 10.

10. Anastasia Zinina - 3Lz, 2A, 3T+3T, CCoSp2V (nS) tek 32.70 comp 24.84 scors 57.54
9. Mariya Paramonova - 2A, 3F+3T<<, 3Lz tek 32.28 comp 26.26 scors 58.54
8. Natalya Lagutova - 3F+3T, 2A, 3Lz tek 33.27 comp 24.48 scors 58.75
7. Elizaveta Medvedeva - 3F+3T<, 2A, 3Lz tek 33.82 comp 25.54 scors 59.36
6. Veronika Zhilina - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+COMBO+3T* tek 31.37 comp 29.46 scors 60.83
5. Kamila Sultanmagomedova - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+3T tek 35.76 comp 25.26 scors 61.02
4. Sofya Muravyova - 2A, 3F<+3T, 3Lz tek 32.90 comp 28.80 scors 61.70
3. Mariya Zakharova - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+3T tek 36.09 comp 27.48 ded -1 (fall on the StSq) scors 62.57
2. Elizaveta Berestovskaya - 2A, 3Lz, 3F+3T tek 38.95 comp 27.78 scors 66.73
1. Sofya Akatyeva - 3A+3T, 2A, 3Lz tek 43.93 comp 30.08 scors 74.01

i had to do a double take! is she related?

 

[Mathman]

"The word “double’’ or “triple’’ refers to the number of rotations a skater completes before landing on the opposite skate she took off from.

I wonder is this is really the official ISU definition, or if it just a (natural) assumption on the part of casual fans.

It seems like the ISU allows some amount of rotation on the ice included in computing what 3 revolutions means. And they also forgive a few degrees of rotation on the ice at the landing, as well.

For a "triple" jump they seem to be perfectly OK with, say, 150 degrees rotation on the ice in preparation for lift-off, 864 degrees in the air, and 66 degrees of swivel on the landing, adding up to 1080 degrees, That's 2.4 revolutions actually in the air. Such a jump will get full credit in base value, and most of the time no deduction in GOE.

That's just the way it is. In ISU-talk, "triple" does not mean "3 in the air," it means "3 total."

We, of course, are free to speak our own language instead. But this seems to be what the ISU means by a triple jump. If a skater can do better than that, good for her -- she gets some extra GOE.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

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i had to do a double take! is she related?

No. Medvedeva is a common name.

 

[macy]

I wonder is this is really the official ISU definition, or if it just a (natural) assumption on the part of casual fans.

It seems like the ISU allows some amount of rotation on the ice included in computing what 3 revolutions means. And they also forgive a few degrees of rotation on the ice at the landing, as well.

For a "triple" jump they seem to be perfectly OK with, say, 150 degrees rotation on the ice in preparation for lift-off, 864 degrees in the air, and 66 degrees of swivel on the landing, adding up to 1080 degrees, That's 2.4 revolutions actually in the air. Such a jump will get full credit in base value, and most of the time no deduction in GOE.

That's just the way it is. In ISU-talk, "triple" does not mean "3 in the air," it means "3 total."

We, of course, are free to speak our own language instead. But this seems to be what the ISU means by a triple jump. If a skater can do better than that, good for her -- she gets some extra GOE.

we need to stop rehashing this topic over and over, especially in a thread about Russian ladies skaters. there are other threads out there for this if you really want to beat a dead horse.

i have come to the conclusion the poster always instigating these conversations most likely does it for attention and to get a reaction out of others. it would be best if we stopped entertaining them.

 

[Seren]

That's different. These elite athletes are doing these elements since childhood. It's like reading. You don't forget how to read when you don't read anything for months...

I have been skating since I was 7 years old. The comparison with reading is not the same, it's more like riding a bike. For a while it feels awkward then it comes back. As another poster says, you don't go from not skating at all to hitting perfect quads.

Either way, my post was in support of these skaters. They'll get their jumps back. It just takes a little time to find the muscle memory again.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

we need to stop rehashing this topic over and over, especially in a thread about Russian ladies skaters. there are other threads out there for this if you really want to beat a dead horse.

i have come to the conclusion the poster always instigating these conversations most likely does it for attention and to get a reaction out of others. it would be best if we stopped entertaining them.

No, I genuinely wonder. I am sure that it is 3.50 revolutions. But here people say otherwise.

Why is Veronica's 3T invalid? I remember other jump combinations with a step out with no invalid jumps.