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You're a doctor you said?

I'm sure you must be really proud of making discriminatory comments like these about an entire people. :)

You’re absolutely right, however, my comment was very ironic to say the least. It wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously. I apologize and change it now to “Eteri pupils” instead of “russian people”.
 
Just finished watching!

Berestovskaia: I don‘t understand how she didn‘t get the highest PCS by a wide margin! She‘s so charming and quite a lot of fun to watch. That quad looked more like an underrotated triple, though, and her other jumps are quite small, too. Maybe work on getting more height and power before attempting a constantly URed 4T would be better...

Interesting, because I feel her PCS is among the worst. So much wrong with her skating. She looks like a skater without any strong foundation who will be a casualty of puberty. I know that sounds harsh, but I don't see her succeeding unfortunately unless she takes her skating to a new coach. Jumps are most important, but if you have poor basic skating, and stalk your jumps across the entire length of the ice, you're not going to get the marks.
 
You’re absolutely right, however, my comment was very ironic to say the least. It wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously. I apologize and change it now to “Eteri pupils” instead of “russian people”.

Well, that's definitely some enhancement :rolleye: When we play the irony game, you are a pathologist, right?
 
Interesting, because I feel her PCS is among the worst. So much wrong with her skating. She looks like a skater without any strong foundation who will be a casualty of puberty. I know that sounds harsh, but I don't see her succeeding unfortunately unless she takes her skating to a new coach. Jumps are most important, but if you have poor basic skating, and stalk your jumps across the entire length of the ice, you're not going to get the marks.

Yeah, I also felt like she had pretty weak SS, she was noticeably slow, especially compared to other girls in the final group.
I think Fluture probably meant her expressions and performance factor. That was quite good, she tried her best to perform.
 
I have absolutely no idea what kind of program that was for Elizaveta Medvedeva. :(
I don’t want to crucify the girls because they didn’t all land their jumps; that’s not fair because training has been on a crazy schedule for months. But I am going to crucify the choreographers for the uninspired shlock. And none of the girls looked interested in what they were doing!
 
No. I do not. :) But I knew that people here are going to say that. Despite that I did not delete my post. Since I do not care and I can admit mistakes, unlike most people here. In the end of my post I admitted my mistake.
Interesting how many foreign languages do you use? Since I use 4. Just asking.
Admitting mistakes is something we all struggle with. You did the right thing by leaving that post up.
The amount of R&J programs this season ... :drama:
How many?

I have absolutely no idea what kind of program that was for Elizaveta Medvedeva. :(
I don’t want to crucify the girls because they didn’t all land their jumps; that’s not fair because training has been on a crazy schedule for months. But I am going to crucify the choreographers for the uninspired shlock. And none of the girls looked interested in what they were doing!

Is she a distant relative to Zhenya?
 
Juniors have a mandatory 2A, a mandatory solo triple jump (this year its the lutz), and then a combination. Because of this, the only place a triple axel is allowed is in the combination, which is why you see Sofia Akatieva, Sofia Samodelkina, and Alysia Liu doing 3A+3T combos in the sp instead of just having it as the axel jump. However, not only is it more difficult to do the 3A as a combo, it also doesn't gain you as many points as it does in seniors. This is because when you do it in the combo, you're replacing usually a Flip (this year) or Lutz (other years), as opposed to replacing a 2A when you do it as the axel jump. Someone said it above, but doing this only gets you a couple points, which can easily be knocked out by a lower GOE if you have a slight stumble. This is one of the reasons Alysa Liu wasn't dominating the SP last year, despite being the only one in the junior field to have a 3A. I think this rule is stupid as so many of the girls have 3As now. Hopefully it changes along with the senior ladies quad rule, so that mens and ladies fields have the same rules.

So no they actually can do the 3A in the sp, its just more risk for less reward which is probably why Zhilina didn't do it, as she hasn't been doing her 3A for as long as Akatieva and her 3A+3T combo didn't look quite ready in the videos we saw. But I'm sure the ultimate goal is for her to do that this season. However, it was just recently that Zhilina was struggling with normal 3+3s, so its amazing that she's come this far at all.




They had the same layout pretty much, with the only difference being that Kamila had a stepout on one of her 4Ts. I thought they both skated really well that competition. However, they won't compete against each other internationally for another three years or so, so if there is a rivalry it will be a long time from now.

Thank you for that information. But doing a 3A into a combination is risky for young girls health than doing the three-day by itself isn't it? I thought the ISU was all about safety for the kids. But making them do a triple axel right into a combination is asking a lot girls whose bones muscles and ligaments are still growing.

Congratulations to Sofia for winning this Moscow junior Championship and for Veronika coming from way back to second place. The sky is the limit for these two.
 
Thank you for that information. But doing a 3A into a combination is risky for young girls health than doing the three-day by itself isn't it? I thought the ISU was all about safety for the kids. But making them do a triple axel right into a combination is asking a lot girls whose bones muscles and ligaments are still growing.

Congratulations to Sofia for winning this Moscow junior Championship and for Veronika coming from way back to second place. The sky is the limit for these two.

I don't think the ISU intended for the girls to be doing 3A +3T combos when they created the rules, and until these past couple of years, its worked like that (even Rika Kihira who could do a 3A + 3T combo just did a 2A in the short), until people "figured out" that they could do this. But yeah, I agree with you. The rule doesn't make any sense at all. I'm guessing they'll change it soon, whenever they change the senior ladies quad in the sp rule.
 
Thank you for that information. But doing a 3A into a combination is risky for young girls health than doing the three-day by itself isn't it? I thought the ISU was all about safety for the kids. But making them do a triple axel right into a combination is asking a lot girls whose bones muscles and ligaments are still growing.

Congratulations to Sofia for winning this Moscow junior Championship and for Veronika coming from way back to second place. The sky is the limit for these two.

All jumps are risky. Especially when the jump is first being learned. Trying to find the link where it says the toe jump actually has produced the most related injury since it is the most common and the first jump being learned. So should ISU ban toe jumps then? Someone posted that link when Tuktamysheva was winning everything with her triple axel and some are saying young girls doing triple axel is dangerous. Has anyone have that document or link?
 
I agree, it‘s so surreal but so amazing to finally see skating again. Can‘t wait for test skates!!

Also, what is that program. I‘m sorry - and no offence to the skater - but that must be the most bizarre thing I‘ve watched in a while. The music cuts were so random too like - who thinks of going from traditional music to 10 seconds of Fifth Element to traditional music again? It’s so weird it‘s almost great again. :laugh2:

Just in case you were curious: The "Fifth Element" song is called Katana Groove; I guess that's why they thought they could fit in in there. :laugh: It still took me out, though, it was the last thing I was expecting to hear.

(I'm not sure if it's even from the Fifth Element. It was included in Sasha's Fifth Element FS but I'm not sure if it's on the actual soundtrack.)
 
On another note, the Moscow competition was nice! I think both Akatieva and Zhilina's new programs are promising. Akatieva once again showed her beautiful skating skills, although her 4T and 3A were not as good as we've seen them. I like a lot of parts of her program too, although I like the prettier parts of her music more. But overall I really love this program, the step sequence is gorgeous, and her dress is beautiful too. The flowy sleeves really accentuate her beautiful arm movements. I think they should stick to soft, beautiful music for Sofia. She's never been the type to ham it up much, but she can hit the subtle notes of the music wonderfully and has the most beautiful glide on ice. Her posture and carriage of arms is also really great.

And Zhilina had that wonderful 4T from that crazy entrance, right on the music! From the layout, I'm guessing that 2A at the beginning is meant to become a 3A. That 3Lz + eu + 3S on the music was also beautiful and huge. I love her music, although the cut was bad, and some of the parts near the end could be improved. But overall, a nice start for them both. I think that Sofia right now has the better skating skills, interpretation, and consistency, and Veronika has the flexibility, jump height, and amazing spins. It will be a fun rivalry to watch!
 
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