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I think next year.
2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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This question sounds like "are Yelim Kim, Hanul Kim, Yuna Kim and Kim Jong-un distant relatives?"
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Just give credit to people who have good technique. And to the beautiful fairy tale prince Sergey Rozanov who is not only a triple axel guru but also a 4T (with a minimal pre-rotation) guru.
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I always wondered if Yuna Kim, Jin Boyang and Gracie Gold are related.
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Veronika learned her jumping technique from her mother. She was her first coach before switching to Sambo and working with Rozanov, she was also with Sambo for only one season... Skaters jump their triples and Quads with the same technique they learned their singles and doubles with. Rozanov has nothing to do with her technique.
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Still he taught her 4T that she is able to jump with a minimal pre-rotation. Beautiful Sergey.
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Excuse you, I think you meant to say “His Royal Highness Prince Rozanov, fairest and most beautiful of all in the entire figure skating kingdom, guru of minimum pre-rotation and triple axel technique alike“
On a less silly note - I agree with your post. Zhilina did a nice quad today and I think the credit for her landing it so quickly after quarantine - especially with those transitions - can be given to her and her new coaching team. But acting as if Rozanov himself had taught her the technique for every single triple and quad? That‘s stretching the truth even more than usually, to put it mildly.
All people called gold being related would be like if all the Nguyen were related.
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I am in complete agreement. Sofia and Veronika are both wonderful skaters no doubt, but it’s become abundantly clear that, even after watching Sasha’s lutz technique improve significantly in training videos this summer, the problem is not the girls or rules but the coach.
I can see why Veronika left out the 3A in the programs because the jumps she leaves in are of very good quality (except the unfortunate combo miss yesterday) and just comparing her skating to last season, it seems as though she has improved technique even if the overall score doesn’t show it.
After the whole debacle where Kamila was under the microscope for her inside landing edge I started watching a bunch of Eteri girls’ landing edges. And so many of them do it. Anya, Maia, even Veronika appears to.
I think they may be trying to correct this at AoP. Look at the landings on the jumps she’s really solid on, like the first lutz in combo, compared to the toe loop right after it. First one is good landing, second one is shaky, almost appearing to be inside edge.
Sofia seems to have shaky landings all the time, her single triples and the 2A really being the only ones where she exits with the proper edge. Long term this may be a problem for her but with the Eteri bonus she has no incentive to fix it besides injury.
On the opposite hand she has better interpretation, at least for the beginning of her program. I think that her second half of her FS is not performed but completed, similar to Veronika’s SP but they are only 13 and 12 respectively so there is certainly room and time for growth there.
Of course we’re it not for the blatantly missed UR calls, I think the 1st and 2nd place differences would’ve been far closer. We will see who grows into their programs better.
What now, 'landing edge' of Russian skaters is not good enough?
Why don't you people discuss 'landing edges' (sic!) of the Canadian or US 12-old novices? If any of them can land a triple.
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Veronika's jumps were so impressive today! That quad toe out of many transitions and a disguised flip entrance was so nice and high! However, I felt she was really disconnected with the music. I think she was mostly focused on the technical aspect.
I'm happy she was able to redeem herself though and get second place
Once again, Akatieva's quad toe was not called underrotated even though it was under in real time and goe for some jumps were suspicious. The Eteri pandering is still going strong. Her technique for her triple Axel is really good though, I just hope she can actually rotate it soon. also, I actually thought she was more connected to her music at least for the first half of it and I quite like her choice of music.
I am happy competitions are back
I'm happy she was able to redeem herself though and get second place
Once again, Akatieva's quad toe was not called underrotated even though it was under in real time and goe for some jumps were suspicious. The Eteri pandering is still going strong. Her technique for her triple Axel is really good though, I just hope she can actually rotate it soon. also, I actually thought she was more connected to her music at least for the first half of it and I quite like her choice of music.
I am happy competitions are back
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Agree. And Zhilina was much better.
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What now, 'landing edge' of Russian skaters is not good enough?
Why don't you people discuss 'landing edges' (sic!) of the Canadian or US 12-old novices? If any of them can land a triple.
Oof that roast though. I do feel like, for at least a lot of Russian girls (and American girls too) they land way too hard. Like while I like Veronika's 4T in terms of pre-rotation and rotation, when she lands I feel like she hits the ice super hard. And also, I don't really know what "proper edge" means either. For example, Zakharova had minimal transitions out of her jumps and held a landing edge for all of them, but the position was unaesthetic, and thus I'd rather see a jump with full transitions in and out rather than a boring jump with bad positions but a "landing edge".
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What now, 'landing edge' of Russian skaters is not good enough?
Why don't you people discuss 'landing edges' (sic!) of the Canadian or US 12-old novices? If any of them can land a triple.
well this is the 'russian ladies' thread, so.
jumps should be landed on the outer edge. this isn't a controversial thing. i love the russian ladies, they're the only reason i watch figure skating. but this technique is problematic. i'm very happy to see that veronika is working on the edge while landing. and for everyone, working on this will improve the quality of combinations. switching your edge in the middle of a jump combo is WHY the second jumps are so shaky. this is really apparent in specifically, maia's and kamila's combinations, specifically, the 3X-3T. you see their 3X-E-3X combos are way more stable. this is super problematic, i mean, this is supposedly why kamila was injured last november. i want her skating career to really last, so therefore i want her to fix problems with jump technique. if eteri doesn't recognize that, then it's unfortunate. plush clearly does. i can give up a little bit of complexity for skaters to land their jumps properly, the same way i can live with Zhenya reducing jump complexity on the Axel to improve the technique.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CEuQ3BdDJP6/
Girls at the award ceremony!
Never realized how tiny Veronika is! There’s less than a year difference between her and Sofia, they will go junior the same year, but even tiny looking Sofia looks so much taller and older than baby Veronika.
Girls at the award ceremony!
Never realized how tiny Veronika is! There’s less than a year difference between her and Sofia, they will go junior the same year, but even tiny looking Sofia looks so much taller and older than baby Veronika.
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All jumps should be landed on the back outside edge This is, and has always been the case (as far as I am aware) in skating. Some skaters (notably Kamila) have unstable landing edges. It is especially evident when it happens in between jumps in combinations and the skater has the readjust between jumps. This rule is irrespective of transistions. A skater should always land on the back outside edge, then they can proceed to whatever transistion they like, as quickly as they like.. the above posters aren't suggesting that skaters can't have transistions afterwards. They are just saying some skaters ( especially young ones) are shifting the landing edge at the moment they land. I don't think this is a specific issue with just Russian skaters, but it is something we have seen more often lately.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEuQ3BdDJP6/
Girls at the award ceremony!
Never realized how tiny Veronika is! There’s less than a year difference between her and Sofia, they will go junior the same year, but even tiny looking Sofia looks so much taller and older than baby Veronika.
I'm assuming the woman standing with Rozonov is her mother-and she is super tiny as well-barely taller than Veronika (even wearing huge heels-maybe 4'8?). The point being I don't think Veronika is going to even get close to 5'-that won't hurt in the long run in figure skating.
I loved Veronika's short, the long not so much-but they haven't been on the ice very long, and I'm assuming it is a work in progress. I'm not even sure what competitions Veronika can be in until the spring-she is too young for Juniors, right? And there probably won't be any of the international novice competitions this year.
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Yes, she was born 15th may 2008, so if there will be normal 2021-22 season, she and Sofia Akatieva will both start at JGP.
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