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I believe the person you are replying to is talking from when jump takeoff is initiated, and you are talking about the amount of rotations done in the air not including prerotation.
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I believe the person you are replying to is talking from when jump takeoff is initiated, and you are talking about the amount of rotations done in the air not including prerotation.
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I'm right, again, this is even several frames earlier:
https://i.postimg.cc/JhGw85Wb/Sofia-4-T-landing2.jpg
For calling ir UR from this angle it would be absolutely necessary to see the lest side of the skate in some amount. You can't change the reality just by words.
BTW it should be reminded that at first I didn't see Sofia's 3A as downgraded but after closer look I took my words back, the call was right? I can see and accept true mistakes when they really are there.
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Yes
But my point was how that's not the most important thing for a name of the jump. The jump is called a triple because you rotate 3 times (or better to say close to 3 times) around yourself while doing it. For thats to happen on the ice is enough 2.25 revolutions in the air, 2.75 for the 3A. More air time for rotation than that is important for the quality of the jump, not for its name. Akatieva jump in the system is named as a downgraded 3A, because she rotated close to three times, but she got points for a 2A, because one rotation is not done in the air, but on the ice. She was literally finishing her rotation on the landing.
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I think the post above yours sums up the whole thing just perfectly. It‘s been a long time since we‘ve had the last competition, there were no shows, no skating news over the whole summer - of course these championships are going to be discussed much more intensely than they would have been after a normal off-season.
As for your question - I don‘t find anything about this situation convenient, if anything it‘s rather amusing to read these “Prince Sergei the handsome guru of skating technique“ posts. They make me chuckle, imo it‘s kind of obvious that some of them are trolling and I don‘t see a need to constantly respond/get so worked up about them.
If we ignore the obvious attempts at trolling, however, I don‘t agree that the majority here is trying to discredit Sofia while lifting up Veronika. On the contrary, I have seen quite a few posts acknowledging Sofia‘s superiority in PCS while simultaneously mentioning Veronika‘s better jumping technique. One thing this thread has taught me is to make a conscious decision which posts/posters to interact with.
As for my opinion on the whole “Rozanov the genius“ debacle? Much of it is blown out of proportion and it both amuses and annoys me how he‘s suddenly seen as the pinnacle of skating technique and choreography. I do think he deserves credit for helping Aliona with the 3A last season, or restoring Veronika‘s 4T so quickly and with such a complex entry. But his programs, so far, are nothing to write home about and they are, in fact, rather inspired by the Daniil school of choreography. On the whole, though, it‘s much too early to judge accurately, it‘s been barely a few months. Let‘s see what he can do in the time leading up to the Olympics. I do think Plushenko has built quite the strong team on paper, Ilinykh and Rozanov seem like a good duo and with Trusova, Kostornaya, Zhilina, Muravieva, Titova and Konstantinova he has promising skaters to work with as well. It could turn out to be extremely effective or...not. But so far it‘s much too early to say, in both directions. Just my two cents on it.
More or less I agree with most of what you've written. Just two notes note, I'm not giving any money on which side has "the majority".
The other thing. Of hundreds or maybe even thousands of replies I made, was it always the best what could have been replied or how there could be the arguments presented? Definitely not. How many times I've latedr told myself I could formulate this completely other way, that could have been said with much less emotions, why I didn't use this obvious argument etc. Yet I'm stating immodestly I was never on the lower level than any opponent.As for this relatively new phenomenon TT vs. Angels, in most cases I see the decesive majority of the opponents divided in two groups, one are just fans of Plushenko, who started to be fans of some of his skaters in the moment they joined his academy without being particularly interested about them before (I'm mentioning this because there were many claims how bad it is when someone was a fan of particular skater just because the skater was trained by Eteri - well, OK, but what's the difference from being a fan of the skater just because he is trained by Plushenko's team), the other one is the one that want some opposition to Eteri at any cost. I myself expressed several times before that Russian needs such team definitely for obvious reasons. I'm just against this "at any cost", because that among other things produces such things as "Rozanov the genius" and deliberate questioning of some skaters qualities and exaggerated promoting of other skaters qualities (or the coaches of course).
P.S. With all this endless which side is better I'm afraid the original enjoyment from skating and performances is somehow overhadowed with the battles.
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I don’t understand this whole team vs team. Isn’t part of the reason the girls left Eteri because they wanted to be seen as individuals and not as the 3A/ team Eteri for progress? It’s pretty clear there is no team here. These are strong females that want to win. It’s not about a coach.
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I hope Edwin comes back. He was the source of a lot of information that others do not supply. He likes TT like you and Plushyfan like PA.
I'm pretty sure everyone wishes Sasha Veronika and Aliona well including a healthy and prosperous future with much success. Whether they are as great as they were at TT remains to be seen and that's both interesting and exciting to watch unfold.
As for TT they have the best team in the modern history of figure skating. You're quip about them being morally superior is an inside joke that's not funny. No one on that team carries themselves as morally superior. Nor do any of the skaters. You never hear any of the talent ever say anything controversial. TT is not morally superior but they are superior to every other team in the world the last 10 years. There isn't even a close second. Maybe when Mishin had Yagudin and Plushenko was the last great team before TT. That's a long time ago.
And you should not be surprised at the change in moods here. You're a johnny come-lately here fried I've been posting here for going on seven years and the people are pretty nice and fair. There was supreme shock at the coaching changes from TT to PA. But that shock passed weeks ago Reality is it's hard to please everyone and when you have legitimately four or five super talents within a couple years of each other in the same discipline how can you make everybody happy? You can't and that was the issue. No other coach has had this issue the way TT has it. Its a blessing and a curse.
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Sophia moves from right to left perpendicular to the line of sight. This photo confirms insufficient rotation of this jump. Is not it so? Sofia Akatieva is my favorite skater and she can do this 4T much better. It was a failed attempt. Why dissemble?
Meanwhile, another favorite athlete of mine jumped a confident 4S: https://www.instagram.com/p/CE2HibtJWJ-/?igshid=1cmqhimc5hg7a
Bravo, Maya. Soon she will do it in competition.
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Alina is confirmed to be a host of the Ice Age show. Here she is preparing for her role:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE2JFu6JVOK/?igshid=19ldu31awps5x
And someone shared a tiny glimpse of Aliona skating to the Billie Eilish song “You Should See Me in a Crown“:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE2J_PIoyiE/?igshid=994r32cdq7k1
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE2JFu6JVOK/?igshid=19ldu31awps5x
And someone shared a tiny glimpse of Aliona skating to the Billie Eilish song “You Should See Me in a Crown“:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE2J_PIoyiE/?igshid=994r32cdq7k1
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Yes they are individuals and we did not know that being 3A or 4A annoyed some of them because when you see they videos the girl are so happy. I dont blame any of them. Its not easy for the coaches or the skters when they had like 5 super girls between 13 and 18 like TT had until May. That was amazing and we will never see it again becue skaters knows know they have options. Sasha Veronika and Aliona acted on those options. .
No, it is you who publish false information. flanker is absolutely right, there is a gif - https://gifyu.com/image/gAw6
Obviously less than quarter of the rotation, no UR.
Do you have the decency to admit you're wrong?
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The song is "You should see me in a crown"
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Actually many users, who even weren't as much supportive to TT, just don't see them as the training dummy are disappearing from the forum unfortunately. Among others I miss Moriel, Dante, Orlov, Atsumiri, Samkrut. Some of them provided translations, insights and other things. Others just restricted themselves to the fanfests. the thread is more polarizing now than it was, I may even start to miss the times when it was Eteri vs. Brian Orser
I liked the fact that Mourinho was almost as famous as Messi and Ronaldo when he was successful. He deserved it.
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What???? No. No! Don't compare me to Edwin.
You have never read such hateful posts from me as they were Edwin's. He/she roughly insulted Plushenko not as a coach but as a human being. Don't you remember ? Yes, he was informative on his own way but his comments were outrageous and fake.I don't understand this debate...
What is everyone's problem? We didn't see the skaters' program yet......
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The first video presented here is much more informative than this gif. Do you seriously want convince with the help of this that it was a quad twisted according to the rules? ? ?
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What???? No. No! Don't compare me to Edwin.
I don't understand this debate...
Don’t worry, you’re nothing like Edwin [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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I don’t know why you bother being objective, clearly basically no one in this thread is capable of separating their favorites from the analysis. It must be “pro TT and Akatieva” or you are a hack. It’s quite pathetic. I came to this thread a few days ago expecting productive or at least interesting conversation about skaters and we have instead are people who want to discuss potential mishaps and scoring differences, discussions about coaches etc. being slandered by the emphatic TT shills, even if the people in the discussion are not for or against anyone.
And watch this response enrage those same people.
On the matter of Akatieva I agree. She performs better, esp. the first half of the FS and I agree she should have better PCS. But I also completely agree that she doesn’t jump as well and seeing the GOE for her jumps vs. Zhilina’s made me question the scoring. Even if they were not UR Zhilina still has better jumps.
Akatieva deserved the win, but I think the margin was too high, and I’d also be interested to see if this matter changes as they grow into their programs. Zhilina obviously missed the combo, so there’s some difference there, but the way her FS is set up it seems as though they plan to change the opening 2A to a 3A? I can’t imagine Plushenko the Performer would see her performances and not also want to work dramatically on her presentation.
We will see. Quite frankly I’m impressed that their rough programs looked even this good because of Covid.
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I don't worry I don't think the hate is the part of this sport.
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