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Well there are politics behind that too, cause last season she finished 7th at Nationals and won Cup Final without the 3a. Outside of Russia one gold and two silver.

The girl is delivering, she is willing to improve, she is fighting for her chance, RusFed should give her one now though.

Agree about politics, cause Gubanova should’ve won that cup final. :P I don’t think she’s weaker than Gulyakova in components, and they put her lower in both SP and FS.
 
My first reaction to this was: OMG Eteri! I know it's a joke but wow :roll9:
But then I thought, well, she's not wrong so...:shrug:
Eteri is just as modest as Alina. But she was showing a slight sense of humor several years ago when she said this.
My heart breaks for Sinitsyna. I am fearing the worst, but let's hope she's ok for competing at the Russian Cup. Which stages were she supposed to be in??
What does fearing the worst mean? She's probably not in good form because she missed four months of skating. Or do you mean something more dramatic than that?
Agree about politics, cause Gubanova should’ve won that cup final. :P I don’t think she’s weaker than Gulyakova in components, and they put her lower in both SP and FS.
Agree 100%.

Gulyakova did not need to win the Russian Cup Final. Gubanova needed it more. Why? Guliakova was already the alternate for the worlds team that would not have changed even if she finished second at Russian Cup final. Gubanova has been robbed her whole career with components even before puberty and it made no sense because her skating skills used to be great pre puberty and they're still pretty damn good through puberty.

If Gulyiakova traveled with her team to test skates but is not skating then something must have happened. I always cut the skaters slack and this is an abnormal offseason and no one is in top form except maybe Sasha from what I've read. I hope Nastya G2 is healthy and brings that triple axel at some point. It should have happened in the Russian Cup Final because she was healthy and happy. She was going to win that event no matter what so it wouldn't have even mattered if she fell if she tried it. Now it's possible she has lost it during the pandemic and not skating for a few months.
I hope she does do a triple axel at some point and it works because she will be by far the tallest lady skater to ever do a triple axel. But we can't blame anyone for not showing up to test Gates because no one is probably at full confidence except maybe one or two skaters.
 
Eteri is just as modest as Alina. But she was showing a slight sense of humor several years ago when she said this.

What does fearing the worst mean? She's probably not in good form because she missed four months of skating. Or do you mean something more dramatic than that?
Agree 100%.

Gulyakova did not need to win the Russian Cup Final. Gubanova needed it more. Why? Guliakova was already the alternate for the worlds team that would not have changed even if she finished second at Russian Cup final. Gubanova has been robbed her whole career with components even before puberty and it made no sense because her skating skills used to be great pre puberty and they're still pretty damn good through puberty.

If Gulyiakova traveled with her team to test skates but is not skating then something must have happened. I always cut the skaters slack and this is an abnormal offseason and no one is in top form except maybe Sasha from what I've read. I hope Nastya G2 is healthy and brings that triple axel at some point. It should have happened in the Russian Cup Final because she was healthy and happy. She was going to win that event no matter what so it wouldn't have even mattered if she fell if she tried it. Now it's possible she has lost it during the pandemic and not skating for a few months.
I hope she does do a triple axel at some point and it works because she will be by far the tallest lady skater to ever do a triple axel. But we can't blame anyone for not showing up to test Gates because no one is probably at full confidence except maybe one or two skaters.

And yet she is not skating at Test Skates which is basically RusFed showcase of the skaters they consider more, their A team basically. Your post reads like she already made it when in reality, it'll be like that once she actually gets into the GP circuit consistently.

Why this happened? My guess is like i said political, it is ALL about the number of skaters from each coach at the event, reason probably being PR since this event is entirely covered by state media.

Right now the split is:

2 Tutberidze
2 Plushenko
2 Mishin
1 Orser (although Evgenia is also considered Sambo70 in Russia for the funding right? that'd be 3 for Eteri or is her considered part of CSKA now?)

1) If Valieva was not invited (since you know she is a junior and this is senior test skates), Eteri would have had only 1 skater.

2) If Gulyakova actually skates here (since she is invited), Mishin would have 3, more than Tutberidze.

3) If Konstantinova also was invited here, Plushenko would have had 3, more than Tutberidze.

4) If Sinitsyna showed up here, and Valieva was not invited (cause you know), Panova would have had 1 on par with Eteri.

They picked the only case scenario where somehow Eteri is still depicted as the main team despite all her top senior skaters left except Shcherbakova.
 
And yet she is not skating at Test Skates which is basically RusFed showcase of the skaters they consider more, their A team basically. Your post reads like she already made it when in reality, it'll be like that once she actually gets into the GP circuit consistently.

Why this happened? My guess is like i said political, it is ALL about the number of skaters from each coach at the event, reason probably being PR since this event is entirely covered by state media.

Right now the split is:

2 Tutberidze
2 Plushenko
2 Mishin
1 Orser (although Evgenia is also considered Sambo70 in Russia for the funding right? that'd be 3 for Eteri or is her considered part of CSKA now?)

1) If Valieva was not invited (since you know she is a junior and this is senior test skates), Eteri would have had only 1 skater.

2) If Gulyakova actually skates here (since she is invited), Mishin would have 3, more than Tutberidze.

3) If Konstantinova also was invited here, Plushenko would have had 3, more than Tutberidze.

4) If Sinitsyna showed up here, and Valieva was not invited (cause you know), Panova would have had 1 on par with Eteri.

They picked the only case scenario where somehow Eteri is still depicted as the main team despite all her top senior skaters left except Shcherbakova.

I think you’re the only person who would think of that conspiracy theory and big grand “scheme”.
Mishin skaters are obviously not disadvantaged in any way, the sole fact that Sofia was invited here proves that, she had a pretty rough season last year, didn’t break 200 even a single time on both international and domestic competitions, and was 9th at RusNats.
Gulyakova along with Ksenia were in preliminary lists, obviously something happened that they had to withdraw.

And the fact that you even question why Konstantinova wasn’t invited... did you see how she did last season? She didn’t have a single clean performance whole season, and was placing super low on pretty much all events she entered. She was removed from the team Russia too in the end.
 
And yet she is not skating at Test Skates which is basically RusFed showcase of the skaters they consider more, their A team basically. Your post reads like she already made it when in reality, it'll be like that once she actually gets into the GP circuit consistently.

Why this happened? My guess is like i said political, it is ALL about the number of skaters from each coach at the event, reason probably being PR since this event is entirely covered by state media.

Right now the split is:

2 Tutberidze
2 Plushenko
2 Mishin
1 Orser (although Evgenia is also considered Sambo70 in Russia for the funding right? that'd be 3 for Eteri or is her considered part of CSKA now?)

1) If Valieva was not invited (since you know she is a junior and this is senior test skates), Eteri would have had only 1 skater.

2) If Gulyakova actually skates here (since she is invited), Mishin would have 3, more than Tutberidze.

3) If Konstantinova also was invited here, Plushenko would have had 3, more than Tutberidze.

4) If Sinitsyna showed up here, and Valieva was not invited (cause you know), Panova would have had 1 on par with Eteri.

They picked the only case scenario where somehow Eteri is still depicted as the main team despite all her top senior skaters left except Shcherbakova.

Thank you for that very interesting breakdown. No doubt part of this is political but it's only test skate so what does it really matter? If you were an senior you should be invited to test skates. Should it really matter that someone else has more skaters than EG at test skates? Stasya should be there if that means PA has one more girl there than TT does so what? If EG is making a point to the Federation that she does not want other coaching teams with more ladies their than she has their that's one thing.. but this year I don't blame any skaters who pull out for injuries or they're not in top shape or because covid-19 has messed with their heads like it has the rest of the entire world. They are only Human After All.

TT still has Anna Kamila and Maia and maybe Alina again next season. She will have unloaded ladies team again maybe even this season but certainly by next season when the very young girls mature and become seniors.

I wish all the athletes much luck and good health this season. They will need it.
 
My first reaction to this was: OMG Eteri! I know it's a joke but wow :roll9:
But then I thought, well, she's not wrong so...:shrug:

My heart breaks for Sinitsyna. I am fearing the worst, but let's hope she's ok for competing at the Russian Cup. Which stages were she supposed to be in??

I think you’re the only person who would think of that conspiracy theory and big grand “scheme”.
Mishin skaters are obviously not disadvantaged in any way, the sole fact that Sofia was invited here proves that, she had a pretty rough season last year, didn’t break 200 even a single time on both international and domestic competitions, and was 9th at RusNats.
Gulyakova along with Ksenia were in preliminary lists, obviously something happened that they had to withdraw.

And the fact that you even question why Konstantinova wasn’t invited... did you see how she did last season? She didn’t have a single clean performance whole season, and was placing super low on pretty much all events she entered. She was removed from the team Russia too in the end.

What you say is accurate but why have an open skates if they aren't open to all Russian Lady skaters? Why have a test skates if it's just for the national team members which is like eight or nine?
 
What you say is accurate but why have an open skates if they aren't open to all Russian Lady skaters? Why have a test skates if it's just for the national team members which is like eight or nine?

They’re supposed to be only open for top skaters to showcase their programs and get the critique and commentary on what to improve. I suppose they simply don’t have enough time to give that advice to more skaters, and focus only on those, which have most likelihood to place well on international events.
They were closed before, I think only since last season they started getting televised and now it’s pretty much a show more than anything.
 
Look at Sasha!! Having the best performance ever!! Maybe she indeed just needed more individual attention. I love her SP! Definitely the best of the day.
 
Look at Sasha!! Having the best performance ever!! Maybe she indeed just needed more individual attention. I love her SP! Definitely the best of the day.
Sasha is too tall. Well too tall she is.
And her layout became too short on points.
But Anna somehow preserved her best SP layout.

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Look at Sasha!! Having the best performance ever!! Maybe she indeed just needed more individual attention. I love her SP! Definitely the best of the day.

It's probably related to more time spent with her, but i thought there was way more effort put into Trusova and her program compared to Kostornaya.

You could tell by Elena reactions while she was watching, they must have spent some time working on those skating skills, and i saw that here in the short.

3Ltz-3t looked far better than last season, while the 2a looked worse.
 
I needed this so so much.

My favourite thing was Kamila´s program. I´ve been listening to Storm on loop while working for the past month, and I kept thinking how much I´d like them to make it into an SP, but I was convinced that that wasn´t gonna happen. I was happy beyond belief when I saw the music captions pop up for her. After Zhenya´s Anna Karenina, this is my favourite program that ET team has done ever.

Another great thing was seeing Sasha´s expression improvements. What do you know, she can actually emote and perform with the right program.

I liked Anna´s program too.

Also, while Aliona is my second favourite skater and I greatly enjoy her competition performances, I´ve never particularly liked seeing her gala performances because I don´t really like it, but today I saw an actual cheeky side of her and I like it. Obviously it still needs to be polished, but it´s a new program, and I believe she´ll grow into it.

I was kinda disappointed with Zhenya, Liza and Sofia. I was really happy to see Zhenya, but I think she was nervous and that affected her. I did like the performance after the flip though.

All in all, today was a good day. :luv17:
 
As usual the Tutberidze girls dominate the presentation again... Honorable mention for Liza who did her best PCS in a program in many years with improved spins, too bad she aborted 3A.
 
Today made me realize just how much I've missed the senior ladies! Loved seeing them all again. :luv17:

I really liked the maturity of Anna's program. It's a bit similar to last year's in terms of style but I think she'll grow into it very well! (And please keep the not-over-the-boot tights Anna!)

Kamila was absolutely stunning. The music choice is perfect for her, and her choreography doesn't seem as rushed as last year's. She was one of my favorites today.

Alena struggled a little with the jumps, but I think she just needs more time to settle back in to training and her new team. And honestly, I like Billie Eilish for her. She obviously loves it and sells the step sequence well, and I'm sure the rest of the program will get there too. Her Russian Cup stages are later so I'm not too worried.

Liza and Sofia were both fine. Not sure why Liza decided to go for the 3A when it seemed like it wasn't quite ready yet, but oh well. I'm not sold on either of their programs yet.

Evgenia was pretty good as well. I wasn't sure about her program either, until she hit that step sequence! If she gets the rest of the program up to that caliber of performance I think it will be fantastic for her. (Also, her on FaceTime with Brian was the best :laugh:)

Sasha really said "quarantine who?" She really looked like she never stopped training. Her jumps look as secure as ever, and I think the program has a lot of potential. Either way, after last season, I'm just so glad to see her happy and smiling again. She seems to have settled into the coaching change quite nicely!
 
Most remarkable programs for me were Valieva, Trusova, and Samudorova. I mean Anna had good jumps and spins but I know she can bring more life to the program (good 3lz+3lo combo though). I bet my hat on Medvedeva, Tuktamysheva, and Kostornaia for the short programs. I couldn't be more wrong.

Loved Liza's costume. Loved Zhenya's step sequence. Samudorova's program was surprisingly amazing. Trusova's double axel seemed like she wanted to go for a triple (cant wait to see it!). Valieva's maturity on her program. Interesting season indeed.
 
I really liked the maturity of Anna's program. It's a bit similar to last year's in terms of style but I think she'll grow into it very well! (And please keep the not-over-the-boot tights Anna!)

OMG I kept thinking whether she had new boots or something, but it was just that. :laugh2:
 
I would have wished that someone would have been there for zhenya in person, yes brian was there facetiming but its not the sameand we all know that. It must be difficult for skaters to not have someone there, but i loved her step sequence so much .

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Alena about her coaching change:
"I think her posting on IG was bad. If you want to sort things out, you have to do it in person, eye to eye. It was wrong behavior, I think. But I cannot discuss other people" more in this article:
https://rsport.ria.ru/amp/20200912/kostornaya-1577145219.html?__twitter_impression=true

Well would you look at that, how rude was it of her to not want to share the ice with kids in order to have more space on ice.... :rolleye: And now go and tell me that Eteri is not the most petty person ever. :disapp:

"Speaking about working in the Tutberidze group, Kostornaya noted that "people like me, Anya Shcherbakova, Kamila Valieva cannot ride with children born in 2010". "The girls are adults. I told the coaches that there are already 8 of us, a crazy pace in training, and take children who are not used to it there (wrong). They went out and did not understand what to do. It annoyed me. I said , which is so very inconvenient. But there was no reaction. I decided to leave on July 17, before the second training session, "said Kostornaya."
 
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