2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Artemisa]

1. Ana, kamila and Trusova --> they did there program very well .. no question.. who was the better I don't know ... maybe Trusova because she was a surprise.. the other 2 kept the same classic style
2. Kostornaia/ medvedeva --> To be honest I think they are my favourites programs .. but both of them aren't ready yet ... Kostornaia great program.. you like it or not you will remember that program .. I think that she was nervous because she doesn't have the jumps like usual .. Medvedva ..I think the program is ready if she just stop to think abut the jumps .. but I think the jumps are better they aren't scary
3. Tuk/sofia... I think it's not the music or the program .. it's just that they look like isn't there kind of program .. sometimes I wish they go to Eteri to get a program .. the same way I whish medvedeva going to mishin to learn a 3A or a 4

 

[Shayuki]

Anna's, superb. Bonus points for -3Lo combo.

Valieva also superb, perhaps even moreso, though she was definitely more distant than Anna with her performing. Her combo's still very awkward, I was hoping she'd do something about it.

Alena sloppy jumps, and was honestly nothing special in any way. Boring, even. Disappointing. By the way, boy is Eilish's "singing" annoying. I wish singers concentrated on, you know, singing, rather than speaking as breathily as possible. This program will sadly be a mute for me.

Tuktamysheva, didn't watch after the 3A attempt. If she learned something new then I guess I'm missing out, otherwise not interested.

Samodurova, didn't watch.

Medvedeva, very sloppy and seemed out of practice. Not very good at all. On the other hand, that's understandable due to her issues with practice in the summer and I'm sure her skating will become stronger in the following months.

Trusova, very strong. Pretty much the complete opposite of Kostornaya's skate, skating skills definitely looked improved, overall performing as well seemed more coordinated even though she still isn't innately great at it. While Kostornaya seems worse in every way, Trusova seems stronger in every way. Her jumping a -3T instead of -3Lo was interesting, but I guess it doesn't mean much.

 

[fabienne1996]

Well would you look at that, how rude was it of her to not want to share the ice with kids in order to have more space on ice.... And now go and tell me that Eteri is not the most petty person ever. :disapp:

"Speaking about working in the Tutberidze group, Kostornaya noted that "people like me, Anya Shcherbakova, Kamila Valieva cannot ride with children born in 2010". "The girls are adults. I told the coaches that there are already 8 of us, a crazy pace in training, and take children who are not used to it there (wrong). They went out and did not understand what to do. It annoyed me. I said , which is so very inconvenient. But there was no reaction. I decided to leave on July 17, before the second training session, "said Kostornaya."

So let me get this they put 10nyear olds and mabye even younger together in training cam with the seniors and juniors like kamila, and the kids didnt really know what to do in the ice and mabye got in the way of the older skaters. And when alyona told the team that it wasnt working for her like this they ignored her? And then eteri made it out like she was beeing a diva and told them she had a list of skaters she didnt want to skate with( making it sound like she means skaters like anna or kamilia and not little kids?)

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[sclloyd]

Most remarkable programs for me were Valieva, Trusova, and Samudorova. I mean Anna had good jumps and spins but I know she can bring more life to the program (good 3lz+3lo combo though). I bet my hat on Medvedeva, Tuktamysheva, and Kostornaia for the short programs. I couldn't be more wrong.

Loved Liza's costume. Loved Zhenya's step sequence. Samudorova's program was surprisingly amazing. Trusova's double axel seemed like she wanted to go for a triple (cant wait to see it!). Valieva's maturity on her program. Interesting season indeed.

I think Sasha definitely stole the show. I really had no doubts about her jumps but I was very curious to see how the performance would improve and she definitely impressed me.

Anna is a very sensitive skater and she performed well but she always leaves me wanting something else from the program at the end. Especially this year, the program is so similar to last year’s.

Kamila’s program is really good, I like that they let her hold the extensions just a little while longer.

I actually loved Aliona’s performance. The jumps were a little unstable but I saw a few things: the 2A and 3Lz were very loose the way the 2A was last season right before presenting the 3A. It would be quite stunning to me if she wasn’t training these elements mostly successfully and just didn’t include them here. The cut is a little weird but I thought the same thing about the twilight program at test skates and then once it was actually presented at a real competition everything really came together. Her performance skills are unmatched, even by Anna, so I hope that having the gap between test skates and the Russian cup will give her some time to work through the jumping. It really does seem all psychological at this point.

Liza’s program is a little.. messy? I don’t like the costume, but she could do a lot with the music.

Sofia presented something pretty interesting and different and I actually liked it on her. Unfortunately with the face makeup, I think they’re going to turn her into a mannequin or jack in the box type figure and I’m probably going to hate it. I also thought the constant drum was a little monotonous at the end and it would’ve been cool if they’d edited the music to add the drum beat after about halfway?

Zhenya’s program has a lot of potential but she looked rough. I’m excited to see if she can get her elements improved. I was expecting some misfires on the jumps but I wasn’t expecting the spins to be so slow.

Anyways, I’m super excited for tomorrow.

 

[Vandevska]

So let me get this they put 10nyear olds and mabye even younger together in training cam with the seniors and juniors like kamila, and the kids didnt really know what to do in the ice and mabye got in the way of the older skaters. And when alyona told the team that it wasnt working for her like this they ignored her? And then eteri made it out like she was beeing a diva and told them she had a list of skaters she didnt want to skate with( making it sound like she means skaters like anna or kamilia and not little kids?)

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Yep pretty much that. SO mature, right?

 

[Shayuki]

Yep pretty much that. SO mature, right?

Hasn't the group's thing always been that everyone does everything together?

 

[klena]

As usual the Tutberidze girls dominate the presentation again... .

Even their training dresses are perfect :luv17:

 

[klena]

According to insider's info: Alena - problems with jumps, 3A not restored, Sasha - no problems, Anya - no problems, Liza - not good, Zhenya - not good.

So, the insider was close to truth

 

[fabienne1996]

Opinions differ i didnt like annas music, it just didnt get me the programm , i was like its not something were i would say wow. I do like kamilas music, comparing it to anna i actually think she got the better programm ( and that is nothing against anna) aljona yes the programm is still raw but we have to remember she only had from august u til now to learn 2 new programms and get used to a new team. And i think later in the season she can really sell this programm. I loved zhenyas step sequence , i just loved it. But the surprise of the day for me was sasha, the firts jump was amazning and with a great height in my eyes, but wow she grew and wow i was really surprised by her, a complete different image. But it really works . (And no thats not me gushing about her because she changed coaches , i would have said the same if she skated this short programm like this under eteri and co too.)

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[Scott512]

My heart breaks for Sinitsyna. I am fearing the worst, but let's hope she's ok for competing at the Russian Cup. Which stages were she supposed to be in??

What do you fear about her? Injury? Illness? Something else? I think I know what you fear. But let's hope it's not that.

They’re supposed to be only open for top skaters to showcase their programs and get the critique and commentary on what to improve. I suppose they simply don’t have enough time to give that advice to more skaters, and focus only on those, which have most likelihood to place well on international events.
They were closed before, I think only since last season they started getting televised and now it’s pretty much a show more than anything.

It's not very open and if we only have 708 skaters there. But we need to see whoever is there perform because we all miss the competition so much.

Alena about her coaching change:
"I think her posting on IG was bad. If you want to sort things out, you have to do it in person, eye to eye. It was wrong behavior, I think. But I cannot discuss other people" more in this article:
https://rsport.ria.ru/amp/20200912/kostornaya-1577145219.html?__twitter_impression=true

Aliona said she cannot discuss other people. But she broke her own rule with her own statement.;

By the way I agree with everything she said. EG should not have done that Instagram post and you cannot have all these little skaters on the ice with the juniors and seniors. I know TT has a lot of students and everyone wants to bring their daughters there for obvious reasons but maybe they have to re think some of the things they are doing. TT cannot afford to lose any other top talent. Losing three such talented girls in a couple months is like nothing we've ever seen in figure skating from one coach. But all EGs skaters and their parents are watching with what happened with TT and PA. She might have to tweak some things but she sounds like she doesn't want to change any of her academy rules for any skaters. That's one of the reasons Aliona left.

 

[Vandevska]

Hasn't the group's thing always been that everyone does everything together?

Yes it has. However, I found this to be a reasonable opinion too, if it's not convenient it's not. So Aliona found something more suitable.
Anyway, we were talking about how in the post Eteri made it sound as if Aliona was the biggest diva ever, but of course it wouldn't be her without diss.

 

[Tolstoj]

I don't know why there is so much praise for the lutz-loop.

Yes it is difficult but the loop looks under here and the edge was not outside.

All Shcherbakova's jumps looked smaller here, puberty is starting to hit, she is taller now.

I wonder if she is still going for the quads in the free.

 

[flanker]

So let me get this they put 10nyear olds and mabye even younger together in training cam with the seniors and juniors like kamila, and the kids didnt really know what to do in the ice and mabye got in the way of the older skaters. And when alyona told the team that it wasnt working for her like this they ignored her? And then eteri made it out like she was beeing a diva and told them she had a list of skaters she didnt want to skate with( making it sound like she means skaters like anna or kamilia and not little kids?)

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This was not so unusual before. And it did not bother Anna, obviously, definitely it doesn't look it marked her preparation. Also there just could be that it couldn't be done other way than being on the ice together. I know the sentence here is delivered already, but other voice should be here as well.

 

[ruga]

Well would you look at that, how rude was it of her to not want to share the ice with kids in order to have more space on ice.... And now go and tell me that Eteri is not the most petty person ever. :disapp:

"Speaking about working in the Tutberidze group, Kostornaya noted that "people like me, Anya Shcherbakova, Kamila Valieva cannot ride with children born in 2010". "The girls are adults. I told the coaches that there are already 8 of us, a crazy pace in training, and take children who are not used to it there (wrong). They went out and did not understand what to do. It annoyed me. I said , which is so very inconvenient. But there was no reaction. I decided to leave on July 17, before the second training session, "said Kostornaya."

Oh so these are the "non grata" people - little kids. So much for the spoiled diva image. And that's understandable of Aliona. Children and teenagers require completely different approach. It's dangerous for everyone to train like that.

Full interview if anyone's interested. Machine translation works well. https://m.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2829756.html

 

[flanker]

I don't know why there is so much praise for the lutz-loop.

Yes it is difficult but the loop looks under here and the edge was not outside.

All Shcherbakova's jumps looked smaller here, puberty is hitting she is taller now.

I wonder if she is still going for the quads in the free.

Why don't you wait with your usual and predictable assaults at least after the FS, it's just tomorrow.

 

[Tolstoj]

Why don't you wait with your usual and predictable assaults at least after the FS, it's just tomorrow.

It's not an assault.

But rather when you say "props for Shcherbakova's lutz-loop" and then "Kostornaya's jumps didn't look great, magic is gone" well talking about double standards here.

They were both not perfect here, as Medvedeva's jumps also, which is perfectly understandable at this stage early in the season.

 

[flanker]

Yes it has. However, I found this to be a reasonable opinion too, if it's not convenient it's not. So Aliona found something more suitable.
Anyway, we were talking about how in the post Eteri made it sound as if Aliona was the biggest diva ever, but of course it wouldn't be her without diss.

I dare to say several years ago Aliona was precisely in the opposite position.

 

[flanker]

It's not an assault.

But rather when you say "props for Shcherbakova's lutz-loop" and then "Kostornaya's jumps didn't look great" well talking about double standards here.

They were both not perfect here, as Medvedeva's jumps also, which is perfectly understandable at this stage early in the season.

Oh my, may I say once again you just - don't say the truth? I didn't say that, while you deliver objections on Anna with the regularity of a city bus.

 

[plushyfan]

https://rsport.ria.ru/amp/20200912/kostornaya-1577145219.html?__twitter_impression=true

Kostornaya commented on Tutberidze's reaction to her departure to Plushenko

MOSCOW, September 12 - RIA Novosti, Anatoly Samokhvalov. The 2020 European champion in women's single skating Alena Kostornaya said
that she was offended by the publication on Instagram of the former coach Eteri Tutberidze after she left to Evgeni Plushenko.
Test skates of the Russian national team are held on September 12-13 in Moscow. Kostornaya moved from Tutberidze to Plushenko in the offseason. Tutberidze reported the incident by publishing a post on Instagram.
"Immediately after I called Eteri Georgievna, there were many calls. I believe that if a person left, then there were reasons. Posting on Instagram is a shame. If you want to say something, then express it in your eyes." Kostornaya told reporters.
“It was exciting at the skates,” the figure skater admitted. “Probably most of all, when I did my hair. But then everything came to naught. As if by hand, she walked and knew what to do. Everything is new, everything is different, we have never worked at competitions with Evgeny Viktorovich. This is the first time, it was somehow uncomfortable, unusual. I got used to tune in a different way. In myself, no one touches. And now they tell me that you do this, that, that ".
Kostornaya noted that Plushenko has "a radically different approach" than Tutberidze's. "A calmer approach in my new team. We did all the same, but even when after the general physical training I did not succeed, no one chased me, did not swear," - said the skater.
Speaking about working in the Tutberidze group, Kostornaya noted that "people like me, Anya Shcherbakova, Kamila Valieva cannot ride with children born in 2010". "The girls are adults. I told the coaches that there are already 8 of us, a crazy pace in training, and take children who are not used to it there (wrong). They went out and did not understand what to do. It annoyed me. I said , which is so very inconvenient. But there was no reaction. I decided to leave on July 17, before the second training session, "said Kostornaya.
"I called Sergei Aleksandrovich (Rozanov), asked if there was a possibility. He said that this was a very unexpected decision and asked me to think about it. A couple of days later I said that I had thought and decided, they began to organize a moment with the transition. Music (staged by Tutberidze ) I liked the free program, but in some places I didn’t like the short program. I didn’t like the short program, I said that I don’t feel it. My opinion was taken into account, but not always, ”concluded Kostornaya. -via google translate

Can anybody translate this correctly?

 

[Tolstoj]

Oh my, may I say once again you just - don't say the truth? I didn't say that, while you deliver objections on Anna with the regularity of a city bus.

Well then i recommend a rewatch on the combo, the edge on the lutz and the landing of the 3lo.

https://youtu.be/BUIC1FyL0QI?t=321

https://i.postimg.cc/ZnvFL1FM/shcherbakova-2.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Gtm6hhRs/shcherbakova.png

3ltz-3lo is the most difficult 3-3 without the 3a yes, however 3ltz(!)-3lo< is not.

And like i said, absolutely you can say there are other underrotated combos like Medvedeva's 3lo-3t also looked under, but there were clean combos too like Trusova's lutz-toe was clean.

Again not that it matters all that much in the end since no scoring and still early in the season.