2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

Sofia Akatieva will be competing at the first Rus Cup Jr Stage.

 

[micks]

(And of course, if you want to belong to a decent society, you should never ommit the opportunity to remind that even though you are not a hater at all, you have the moral obligation to remind everybody that Eteri and her fans are evil. :agree

Even a figure skating sportsmen wrote about Eteri's fans and their vile behaviour at the Test Skates.

 

[flanker]

Even a figure skating sportsmen wrote about Eteri's fans and their vile behaviour at the Test Skates.

Who wrote what? I saw the whole event and didn't see anything hostile, maybe something behind the cameras?

Judging from here, the only negative comments are about Eteri and her skaters (sometimes in a "sophisticated" way I described above), though some people instantly blame the others what they do themselves.

Edit: I don't deny there exist people who became hostile towards some former Eteri skaters when they left, and never denied that. But just like I've said before, there are those who did the opposite, were very hostile towards some skaters when they were with Eteri (or ignored them), but started to be their fans in the second they left (and remain hostile towards those who are still with her). What's better on such attitude.

 

[Tolstoj]

Such a relief that you are satisfied with verbal slandering.

I don't think it's verbal slandering. I've been here for longer than you, if you actually go back and read my old posts, i often wrote nice positive comments about Eteri skaters, cause in competition they get it, they show up more prepared than the others, they have more difficult elements (well not anymore with Trusova and Kostornaya gone but usually they do).

But i have also complains cause the packaging doesn't really reflect the talent these skaters have: it's very much recycling the same moves, the same programs sometimes too, similar music, across all skaters despite their differences in skating and personality. To me that's because their group is always very large, so it's hard to spend that much time and dedication for one single skater when you have to look at the others also and have the programs ready before anyone else cause they have to train them more.

In the end despite their talents, it's always all about the coach and not the skaters, cause the skaters all look mostly the same in that group.

It's like you have Mozart but only force him to play happy birthday song at kids parties. Very disappointing if you ask me.

Very similar to Mozer in pairs with Tarasova/Morozov in 2018, arguargbly the best team quality wise in Pyeongchang but their free was so atrocious, it really took away their potential but then again if they really went the Eteri route, they'd have added more difficulty with quad throws and maybe they'd have won that way despite the program was really not very good.

Eteri fans think this is insult cause they cannot accept a critique to their favourite queen, and i don't personally care, that's what i see you can agree or disagree of course.

The other issue is the sustainability of these careers, how much can these girls last competing with that training regime, and how much their technique regress over the years because body is changing and there is no time for proper adjustments.

 

[plushyfan]

I think its funny everyone talking about the lack of expression on Valieva's face yet no mention about Trusova who appeared to have only one facial expression as well and her music had clear and obvious tempo changes.

I guess my unpopular opinion is I actually don't see the hype for Trusova's programs this year and though last year's (no masterpieces themselves) were far better. She seem to power her way through everything including the softer section in the middle which kind of exposed her lack of musicality. At least the slower sections in last year's music were more drama oriented rather then lyrical. The choreography was also very upper body oriented (a lot of arm movement and hands to face/head) and not as much happening below the waste except the few times she lifted leg higher. Plushenko's influence was clear and obvious during the footwork sequence at the end. And the big nitpick last year of only holding her positions for a split second and not much longer still exists. Only its more noticeable now because the choreography isn't as jam packed. Yes her jumps look solid but at the beginning of last season they did too.

I was satisfied with what I saw. On TV our expert used to say when a skater starts to work with new coach and he changes the jumping technic -and Plushenko has changed Sasha's technic !- their work is going to visible after one year! Honestly what would you have waited after 3 months? Did you wait that they will change even her facial expression ??? They started the work on ice 3 months ago. What we can see: Sasha is well-prepared, she is in very good condition, her jumps are very solid, improved in SS, and in artistry. Yes, even Plushenko said they saw there are many things what must improve but they will work on it. I think both program's choreography is demanding, but Sasha must learn to express to us. And you believe me Plushenko knows what is facial expression and that is also very important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBqGEGsRigc&t=281s - "Mishin decided that I need to open my mouth" -very funny . So I 'm sure it will be remedied!

p.s.: but we don't forget Sasha adores the jumps! Adores them and wants a lot of quads in her programs... We will see.. If she is very busy with jumps it doesn’t give room for a lot of choreography and artistry skating.

 

[flanker]

I don't think it's verbal slandering. I've been here for longer than you, if you actually go back and read my old posts, i often wrote nice positive comments about Eteri skaters, cause in competition they get it, they show up more prepared than the others, they have more difficult elements (well not anymore with Trusova and Kostornaya gone).

But i have also complains cause the packaging doesn't really reflect the talent these skaters have: it's very much recycling the same moves, the same programs sometimes too, similar music, across all skaters despite their differences in skating and personality. To me that's because their group was always very large, so it's hard to spend that much time and dedication for one single skater when you have to look at the others also and have the programs ready before anyone else cause they have to train them more.

In the end despite their talents, it's always all about the coach and not the skaters, cause the skaters all look mostly the same in that group.

It's like you have Mozart but only force him to play happy birthday song at kids parties. Very disappointing if you ask me.

Very similar to Mozer in pairs with Tarasova/Morozov in 2018, arguargbly the best team quality wise in Pyeongchang but their free was so atrocious, it really took away their potential but then again if they really went the Eteri route, they'd have added more difficult with quad throws and maybe they'd have won that way despite the program was really not very good.

Eteri fans think this is insult cause they cannot accept a critique to their favourite queen, and i don't personally care, that's what i see you can agree or disagree of course.

The other issue is the sustainability of these careers, how much can these girls last competing with that training regime, and how much their technique regress over the years because body is changing and there is no time for proper adjustments.

I'm speaking about the way how you on one hand despise "evil Eteri's fans" like three times a day, while do as if hatred towards other skaters was absolutely insignificant, as zounger has pointed out. What you did three years ago is not an argument, it's how you write now. The way you evaluate the fans (and "fans") is simply selective blindness. How much hostility is there towards Eteri skaters for instance (now esp. against Anna, and no, those are not "just objective technical notes". Even Anna herself unfortunately knows about it, she even mentioned it in the interview for the olympic channel in january, which is a sign that it crossed any respectable boundaries).

As for the talks about the skaters, well, on one hand you say "Kamila has empty face", which is OK to have such opinion, but person should be consistent then. E.g. Sasha also definitely didn't abound with facial expressions during her free skate. Her program was quite empty apart from technical elements at this moment (it can turn better during the season of course), if it weren't for the music, it would have hardly any connection to R&J theme. So the comparison with Mozart would fit rather here.

Again, that's what I've written above, anything can be praised like "more work, time, not as bad as it looks etc.", while the other can be despised like "disappointment, not utilizing the full potential" etc. Something that can be said anytime.

Critique can be accepted if it is honest, objective and not one-sided. I also didn't see much prone to listening to the objections towards Plushenko and his team from his fans through time, just whenr pointing out about how Rozanov's programs still draw inspiration from his former team (without any critique of that) was accepted the way "burn the witch"

The question of "sustainability of these careers" is important, but has hardly anything to do precisely about "Eteri's fans are this or that".

 

[dunffvanstorn]

A toe loop isn't "full blade assisted".

Kamila’s was. That was my point.

 

[micks]

Who wrote what? I saw the whole event and didn't see anything hostile, maybe something behind the cameras?

One ice dancer, who sat near Eteri's fans and heard their insults to skaters and coaches.

And other people wrote the same about it. Also Eteri's fans threaten them because they support Liza, Sonya, Zhenya and Sasha.

Ну они засирали буквально всех там, кроме Ани и Ками. И сначала просто зло смотрели на нас, когда мы кричали "молодец" Лизе, Соне, Жене и Саше, а потом начали угрожать, что выгонят, если мы не заткнемся

 

[Skatesocs]

Kamila’s was. That was my point.

Saying someone did something physically impossible isn't a point.

 

[flanker]

One ice dancer, who sat near Eteri's fans and heard their insults to skaters and coaches.

And other people wrote the same about it. Also Eteri's fans threaten them because they support Liza, Sonya, Zhenya and Sasha.

"One ice dancer". Great, that persuaded me. Anonymous sources, not supported by any visible (or listenable) action during the skates. Apart from the official streamare also fancams, nothing proves any significant hostility. I can't speak for each of the two thousands of people there, but I doubt there was anything in an amount bigger than negligible. I also doubt there are not people who think the same (and actually have showns similar behaviour publicly) towards other skaters.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Does the 1st stage of Russian cup begin this Friday or next Friday?

I don’t think the full list of participants is out yet?

 

[dunffvanstorn]

"One ice dancer". Great, that persuaded me. Anonymous sources, not supported by any visible action during the skates. Apart from the official stream I saw also fancams, heard the audience reactions. Making statements like that based on such vague and doubtful sources or putting it on the level of channels that were even banned here to talk about and whose only purpose was to snader particular skaters? OK.

Sometimes it looks like you get paid to defend Eteri, but I must say, If I were to run for a political career, I would totally hire you, you’re passionate.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Saying someone did something physically impossible isn't a point.

Have you even read what was written? Your comments make no sense.

 

[Skatesocs]

Have you even read what was written? Your comments make no sense.

I actually don't know how to read. Nor do I know anything about skating technique.

 

[plushyfan]

"One ice dancer". Great, that persuaded me. Anonymous sources, not supported by any visible action during the skates. Apart from the official stream I saw also fancams, heard the audience reactions. Making statements like that based on such vague and doubtful sources or putting it on the level of channels that were even banned here to talk about and whose only purpose was to snader particular skaters? OK.

Flanker, I don't think everybody lies especially a professional ice dancer..he wasn’t interested in the fight among the fandoms, he just described what he experienced.

 

[nussnacker]

Does the 1st stage of Russian cup begin this Friday or next Friday?

I don’t think the full list of participants is out yet?

There's no list, I think they're allowing people to enter up until last minute (not literally, just meaning they're pretty flexible).
This Friday, it will take place from 18th till 22nd.

 

[flanker]

Sometimes it looks like you get paid to defend Eteri, but I must say, If I were to run for a political career, I would totally hire you, you’re passionate.

"You must be paid for that." Alas, anybody who thinks different must be paid because my opinion is right and there is no way anybody could think otherwise.

 

[flanker]

Flanker, I don't think everybody lies especially a professional ice dancer..he wasn’t interested in the fight among the fandoms, he just described what he experienced.

Who that person is? Where does that was posted? From when is it wrong to ask for such things?

 

[nussnacker]

One ice dancer, who sat near Eteri's fans and heard their insults to skaters and coaches.

And other people wrote the same about it. Also Eteri's fans threaten them because they support Liza, Sonya, Zhenya and Sasha.

If this actually happened, then those people are horrible. Same as those allegedly Medvedeva fans, who destroyed Alina's posters at Rostelecom. Same as those who allegedly screamed to throw Yuzu off his jumps at Olympics. Same as those allegedly Eunsoo fans who bullied and sent death threats to Mariah Bell.
What can I say, there are some crazy, horrible and mean people in this world.

 

[Kelti]

One ice dancer, who sat near Eteri's fans and heard their insults to skaters and coaches.

And other people wrote the same about it. Also Eteri's fans threaten them because they support Liza, Sonya, Zhenya and Sasha.

The type of toxic fan behavior that really disturbed me was the likes of Elena Rodina. Where on one hand she was physically chasing down a skater with her verbally harassments, and then on the other hand having access to interview coaches and young skaters (many are even underaged!!). It’s unfortunate that coach changes ignite fan wars between the different fan groups, i hope we won’t get any more of the Rodina level of harassment on these young skaters.