You mean you don't like the full blade 4T and now 4 Toe Axel talk?!?!?!?!?!?!thank you for sharing this. Kamila 1000000% does not toe axel. everyone who likes to talk technique but may or may not know what they are talking about needs to watch that last one to see the difference
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Almost certain she will go for two quads at russian nationals to fend of the threat of Trusova doing a clean skate with even more. I think it is sensible for her to continue to go down the route of another quad flip as it is of better quality than her Lutz (which is a flat edge at best), and I feel like if somebody does two of the same quad it's easier than two different quads as if you make a mistake on the first then she can adjust technique for the second. And if she did first good it's easier to carry through for second.
Only thing is risk of Zayak rule if neither happened on the day.
kostornaya??? i highly doubt that
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Well in the example discussed she obviously made a mistake on takeoff and therefore fell. That's like taking a video of someone slipping on takeoff and going "you can't jump like this, you aren't supposed to slip on takeoff, blah blah".
She should probably concentrate on her own personal issues instead of projecting her bitterness on teenagers far more talented than she ever was.
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Are you people even serious with this stuff? It's Anna's Flip with the worse edge, even in the FS slow-mos you saw the 4Flip was even a slight outside edge, while the Lutz was slightly outside too. So tired of it. Flip is her worse jump.
As far as 4Lutz vs 4Flip goes, I can guarantee the decision has absolutely nothing to do with edge concerns. I assume she's just not landing her 4Lutz as consistently.
As for 1 4Lutz and 1 4Flip vs repeating 4Flips, repeating 4Flips is far inferior in point potential so she'd only do that if her 4Lutz just wasn't working.
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Identical?
Let's do comparisons.
In the video of a toe axel the body is heavily prerotated before sticking the toe pick in. She doesn't move her body until sticking the toe pick in.
In the video the skater sticks in the leg bent. Kamila vaults off an almost straight leg.
In the video the throwing leg passes through bent and tucks under. Kamila passes through her leg straight.
In the video the girl doesn't transfer her body weight along with her throwing leg. Kamila definitely did this.
I think we have two very different definitions of identical.
Really? They're actually exactly the same cheat. Valieva fell because 4T is a much more powerful jump than a +3T to do with that kind of technique.
I think people should look up toe axels. The pre-rotation happens on the skating foot for a toe-axel, and so the weight transfer onto the pick during take-off/vault happens imperfectly. It's pretty clear in the video that @kolyadafan2002 linked.
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Are you sure? In that jump she had the exact over-rotation described. Already turned at least 90 degrees before picking in, and then also the front of the picking blade is behind the back of it. Also issues with axis as well. You should see Shcherbakova's 3T after the 3F in her FS today. Completely different.thank you for sharing this. Kamila 1000000% does not toe axel. everyone who likes to talk technique but may or may not know what they are talking about needs to watch that last one to see the difference
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Фигуристка Щербакова заявила, что не будет выступать без четверных прыжков
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In this interview Anna says that she had better success rate on 4F than 4Lz so they decided to run with it in her FS. She also plans to add more quads in future.
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Her Lutz is on a flat edge sometimes outside sometimes inside. Never clear . Her flip is also never clear, only that most people go in on flat inside with a flip. Most good lutzes are on deep outside, so it's much clearer when somebody edges the Lutz whereas it's more ambiguous when it's on the flip.
I agree it's probably not about edge concerns, but I think that if they were same consistency the flip route would be the one I'd go with.
Edit: poster above has interview where confirmed it's due to consistency. I still stand by Anna's flip looking better (at least without any slow motion tech panel reviewing) than her Lutz.
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Congrats to the girls!
I like this music for Anna's FS sooo much more. As someone mentioned earlier, otherwise it was monotonous and plain boring for me.... It looks much better now, I quite like it.
Can someone explain to me how bonus points work here?
I like this music for Anna's FS sooo much more. As someone mentioned earlier, otherwise it was monotonous and plain boring for me.... It looks much better now, I quite like it.
Can someone explain to me how bonus points work here?
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Kamila picked her toe in as she did upper body movement and her weight was more evenly distributed over center between two feet in comparison to toe axel where all weight is transferred to takeoff leg much sooner and taken off throwing leg too soon.
If you look at her GOE marks for her elements there was only a slight elevation from what she got at the GPF; the bump up happened in PCS which is quite common in National competitions especially when you add in that she's a 2-time defending national champion, roughly 5 points in each program, though the FS at the GPF did include a fall without the fall it likely would have been a little higher and it was also in her first senior season. And the Russian Cup has the weird bonus point eligibility thing that I don't quite understand that international competitions do not have.
SP PCS: GPF = 34.55; Russian Cup = 37.20
FS PCS: GPF = 69.13; Russian Cup = 74.24
Are her scores inflated, yes but this is the first event, so I doubt she will be the only top skater getting inflation. Also, her scores here are so much higher than everyone else because she did the most most difficult technical content by a long shot, back-loaded the most difficult 3-3 combination in the SP, in the FS landed the only quad and did three 3-3's, 2 of them being back-loaded, and she was mostly clean on those elements.
Why not? She gets the highest pcs and GOEs since two seasons. She got 77 pcs at last nationals.
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This is what I'm basing it on, not even picked in yet in this. Anyways only one example.
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Frolova just doesn't do it for me. she got better than last season, but i think it's the way they package her...her music is always similar, dresses similar, choreography similar.
i love the change in Shcherbakova's music, love her dress (the dusty pink color is gorgeous), and love that she got a quad off. great job.
Maiia's dress is very reminiscent of Lilbet's from 2019. she is another one i hope makes it through puberty, she has so much potential.
you guys have to remember these Russian Cup competitions are domestic, so it's basically several RusNats in a row and the scores are GOING to be ridiculous. the girls know their scores internationally won't be near what they are getting.
i am also not thinking too much into any mistakes for obvious reasons. they are inevitable and the girls will get back into peak shape soon, they are hard workers.
i love the change in Shcherbakova's music, love her dress (the dusty pink color is gorgeous), and love that she got a quad off. great job.
Maiia's dress is very reminiscent of Lilbet's from 2019. she is another one i hope makes it through puberty, she has so much potential.
you guys have to remember these Russian Cup competitions are domestic, so it's basically several RusNats in a row and the scores are GOING to be ridiculous. the girls know their scores internationally won't be near what they are getting.
i am also not thinking too much into any mistakes for obvious reasons. they are inevitable and the girls will get back into peak shape soon, they are hard workers.
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That looks picked in (if you look at the snow by the blade within 1/8 of a second after - due to low refresh rates on videos this is how I typically jump) 1/4 body prerotation is fairly normal before picking providing the weight stays over two feet. Excessive is when the skater is facing forward before the throwing leg has moved through.Screenshot-20200920-160356-01 hosted at ImgBB
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This is what I'm basing it on, not even picked in yet in this. Anyways only one example.
If you compare with was she got at Europeans the difference is even less. PCS 35.17 and 71.19 (including a fall).
If you take away the 5 bonus points she got here than her total would be 241.40.
Compare that to her total score at GPF 240.92 and Europeans 237.76. Both competitions with falls.
Not that much of inflation really imo.
By the time you are at the boards about to start your skate I think it's just words of encouragement, there's no last second coaching that will suddenly improve a jump. A quick YouTube search and at skate America last year it was Daniil and Eteri at the boards with Shcherbakova and it was Daniil that had her hands giving final instructions/words. Daniil might just be better at those last words for her to hear.
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My opinion on Anna - Boring programs, same heartbroken face, excessive pre-rotation with ugly twsting and bending of the body, underrotations, breaking world records with bad technique.
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