2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[kolyadafan2002]

We can talk about 'prerotation' again, i mean actual one In Russian cup one junior girl did toeaxel (i think) in her free instead of a 3T combo - Sviridenko is her name. So, if someone wants to see what kind of a jump is called as 'prerotated' in the ISU system, take a look.
(edit: the last Russian cup competition is the one i am talking about, won by two girls from Eteri team btw, so everything Eteri has to prove is happening on actual ice ).

I'd say that's an interesting case. It has some toe axel characteristics - bent leg, with upper body prerotation. But she still has body weight distributed between two feet. Her body also moved with the leg at the same time.

Not ideal technique, but let's compare technically to a clearer toe axel:
https://youtu.be/a8a7e28cV1k (2min:55).
Not the worst toe axel but definitely within toe axel territory. Almost no distribution of weight instantly lifting right foot off after pick and lack of transfer of rotation.

And here is a horrendous toe-waltz (which somehow made its way into a "how to do a toeloop video") https://youtu.be/NkGqYGARW7s (1:25).

Another thing characteristic of toe-waltz jumps is bringing toe through instead of heel first. The heel of your throwing leg needs to be passing your picking leg before the toe.

 

[Skatesocs]

Not the worst toe axel but...

I'd use junior Mao Asada or any of Mai Asada's videos to give good examples of toe axels.

 

[Pantsu]

This is an outright blatant lie. What ET says in his post on Instagram is completely refuted by Kostornaya's words in her interview. You can turn it all upside down at least a hundred times, but Alena's words about children on ice and ET's words about “lists” with Lipnitskaya and Medvedeva as examples of “lists” are not the same thing. So who's the liar?

Completely refuted ? I think even Kostornaya wouldn't go that far. Especially when you consider the wording of her message in the interview
Kostornaya didn't want to skate with a group of certain people. That is literally what Eteri said

 

[Fluture]

Lol. No side is better in this highschool-esque petty war. Both are attention seekers, both fight dirty. And the mental gymnastics some here are willing to do to prove that their chosen group’s the innocent one would be more entertaining than a 10 quad FS, if it wasn‘t for the actual children and teenagers unnecessarily involved. Because they, unlike the supposed adults in charge of them, only want to work hard and have a respectable career. But no - instead they‘re dragged into these social media wars like pawns and talked about like nothing more than accessories rather than, you know, actual human beings.

I feel sorry for Alina - whose account, judging by her posts, is most likely managed by a manager. She probably has nothing to do with this. And why would she? Girl literally just wants to host her ice show and study at university but somehow both the TutberidzeGmbHForProgress and Rudkovskaya‘s Angels seem to have something against that. And I feel sorry for Anna, Aliona, Sasha and all the others whose success will heavily be instrumentalized as a weapon against the opposed coaching team instead of celebrated as their own.

The Russian skating soap opera‘s entertaining for a while but it‘s getting tiresome. Just my two cents and now I‘ll go back to the skating hiatus I was determined to keep.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I'd say that's an interesting case. It has some toe axel characteristics - bent leg, with upper body prerotation. But she still has body weight distributed between two feet. Her body also moved with the leg at the same time.

Not ideal technique, but let's compare technically to a clearer toe axel:
https://youtu.be/a8a7e28cV1k (2min:55).
Not the worst toe axel but definitely within toe axel territory. Almost no distribution of weight instantly lifting right foot off after pick and lack of transfer of rotation.

And here is a horrendous toe-waltz (which somehow made its way into a "how to do a toeloop video") https://youtu.be/NkGqYGARW7s (1:25).

Another thing characteristic of toe-waltz jumps is bringing toe through instead of heel first. The heel of your throwing leg needs to be passing your picking leg before the toe.

Yeah, it is not clear as that one example of Mao, and i 'judged' it is undertotated 2T, however tech panel called it as downgraded 3T which is a usual sign for toeaxel?

 

[Alex65]

Completely refuted ? I think even Kostornaya wouldn't go that far. Especially when you consider the wording of her message in the interview
Kostornaya didn't want to skate with a group of certain people. That is literally what Eteri said

Lol. Russian is my native language since childhood. You shouldn't do verbal acrobatics, convincing people that white is the same as black, because none of them is red.

 

[ruga]

Really it seems that a day can't go without figure skating drama in Russia - even if there's nothing interesting happening.

It's sad to see grownups who work with children and teenagers and are supposed to be examples to them behave like high schoolers instead. I don't really care who is guilty or who started it all because such conflicts are simply immature. What other coaching teams had such dramatic quarrels that were all over press and social media? It sure is entertaining but it would be better for everyone if Plushenko and Tutberidze figured everything out behind closed doors.

 

[macy]

Lol. No side is better in this highschool-esque petty war. Both are attention seekers, both fight dirty. And the mental gymnastics some here are willing to do to prove that their chosen group’s the innocent one would be more entertaining than a 10 quad FS, if it wasn‘t for the actual children and teenagers unnecessarily involved. Because they, unlike the supposed adults in charge of them, only want to work hard and have a respectable career. But no - instead they‘re dragged into these social media wars like pawns and talked about like nothing more than accessories rather than, you know, actual human beings.

I feel sorry for Alina - whose account, judging by her posts, is most likely managed by a manager. She probably has nothing to do with this. And why would she? Girl literally just wants to host her ice show and study at university but somehow both the TutberidzeGmbHForProgress and Rudkovskaya‘s Angels seem to have something against that. And I feel sorry for Anna, Aliona, Sasha and all the others whose success will heavily be instrumentalized as a weapon against the opposed coaching team instead of celebrated as their own.

The Russian skating soap opera‘s entertaining for a while but it‘s getting tiresome. Just my two cents and now I‘ll go back to the skating hiatus I was determined to keep.

social media really has ruined the world, hasn't it?

 

[Lechat]

Can’t Plushy raise his own stars ? I understand that Eteri’s pupils are the best but it’s more gratifying to have something on your own and I’m glad that money can’t buy anyone.

 

[Jontor]

Yeah, I think this one could have been left out of the thread entirely. This had nothing to do with anyone's skating, as it wasn't an actual coaching change. Not sure why the IG story or the drama article were brought in.

Exactly. Sometimes I wish I could block out pointless, meaningless and frankly useless discussions like this.

 

[Fried]

... and I’m glad that money can’t buy anyone.

Good joke!

That being said, I find this article pretty accurate:

Публикация переписки Рудковской и Загитовой вызывает испанский стыд. Глупо выглядят все - 23 сентября 2020 - Sport24

Александр Петров — о новом витке конфронтации, которая скатывается в плохую пародию.

sport24.ru

 

[flanker]

Can’t Plushy raise his own stars ? I understand that Eteri’s pupils are the best but it’s more gratifying to have something on your own and I’m glad that money can’t buy anyone.

I would change that to "money can't buy everyone, but some definitely can." Of course some more cynical people would say "everyone has his price, but not everyone get's it."

 

[trkvy]

Lol. Russian is my native language since childhood. You shouldn't do verbal acrobatics, convincing people that white is the same as black, because none of them is red.

You are definitely not the only one here whose native language is Russian. Kostornoia words are very doubtful, because there were no children born in 2010 at the summer training camp in Novogorsk. Two closest ones are Kolesnikov and Fedotov (both 2009) who are excellent skaters with triple-triples and not some newbies.
Anyway, Kostornaia said she decided to blacklist them (who else?), Eteri didn't agree. So your accusations are absolutely baseless. Eteri told the truth.

 

[Azikin]

If Plushenko is a liar then Eteri is the biggest hypocrite in the world,

Didn't she call Zhenya Med a traitor, a spoiled child who ran away and wasn't the least bit grateful and would have been absolutely nothing without her?

But now suddenly it's fine to have her back? Please.

It's fine to have her back because of the state she was in at test skates. Now she's back home and that's the best solution.

 

[plushyfan]

Jesus! I didn't read fs news one day and this happened. I must read every details..

 

[trkvy]

Didn't she call Zhenya Med a traitor, a spoiled child who ran away and wasn't the least bit grateful and would have been absolutely nothing without her?

She didn't. You are lying.

 

[flanker]

If Plushenko is a liar then Eteri is the biggest hypocrite in the world,

Didn't she call Zhenya Med a traitor, a spoiled child who ran away and wasn't the least bit grateful and would have been absolutely nothing without her?

Did she actually? Despite what has been said I don't remember such words from her.

 

[Amei]

It doesn't really matter, how Alina's message got out.
It doesn't really matter, if it breaks rules of law.
It doesn't even matter, if it's acceptable to lure skaters from other coaches or not.

What really matters, is that Olympic champion, one of the greatest figures in Russian figure skating, Evgeni Plushenko PUBLICLY LIED about it.

Umm, if Eteri and company broke the law that does matter way more than if Plushenko lied in an interview saying he's not trying to lure skaters away unless what he said also violates Russian law.

 

[trkvy]

Did she actually? Despite what has been said I don't remember such words from her.

Of course not. All she said after Zhenya left is in this TV report https://youtu.be/vmwF0xyk5nM
The rest is lies and fiction.

 

[trkvy]

Umm, if Eteri and company broke the law t

Eteri and company didn't break the law.