2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[macy]

Yeah right. Removing and adding sentences is perfectly fine. Nothing to see there
They literally took her words out and added theirs

huh? no the words were not EXACTLY the same, but the gist of what she was saying is the same- there was no non grata list, she requested something to change because the number of skaters on a session was affecting her training and nothing happened. that is the same across all 4 sources.

 

[plushyfan]

Well, I never attacked Evgheni, i think his intention is to become a good coach and i don't see anything wrong in it. However, i have a problem when business interfere with that (and Rudovskaya is a clear represent of it). Because in a business, money and fame are always more important than other people, skaters and coaches.

Can you mention other example when this happened? Concretly. Or you just repeat some Russians' opinion who thinks to be top menager is not a job for a woman for example.

 

[flanker]

Agree. I like Eteri's skaters, too. They are amazing and as I said we don't know what will happen despit to Plushenko's every possibility. : biggrin: I'm so sad because of this weird season. How many great battles will be missed because of the pandemic!

I agree with ancientpeas, "this is what happens when there is not enough actual competition and skating and too much gossip, innuendo and rumour mongering."

Maybe we are experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Let there be another competitions to show us true skating, not all the things around.

 

[eliana]

Agree. I like Eteri's skaters, too. They are amazing and as I said we don't know what will happen despit to Plushenko's every possibility. : biggrin: I'm so sad because of this weird season. How many great battles will be missed because of the pandemic!

It is! But 80 percent of the best skaters go to Etery for its fame. Now the Tutberidze school is without a doubt in the first place. She has the most very good skaters. But I hope that Plusenko's fame will also grow and then the balance will tip. It's early now but surely his time will come.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Can you mention other example when this happened? Concretly. Or you just repeat some Russians' opinion who thinks to be top menager is not a job for a woman for example.

I can't read nor i understand Russian tho I personally don't think it is a fair business in a figure skating to send private messages to the skaters who are part of the other schools. I'm not saying she should speak with Eteri about it, but it would be a normal move to me to talk with the director of Sambo 70 for example, maybe with the federation, as with the student. There is a transfer policy in every sport. Or she should just wait for Alina to ask her about it. Why do you need to ask someone to join your team, if that one wants that, he/she will ask you. Because, her motivation is not certainly to help Alina in her competitive career, she is just not qualified for that job. Her husband is.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I'd say that's an interesting case. It has some toe axel characteristics - bent leg, with upper body prerotation. But she still has body weight distributed between two feet. Her body also moved with the leg at the same time.

Not ideal technique, but let's compare technically to a clearer toe axel:
https://youtu.be/a8a7e28cV1k (2min:55).
Not the worst toe axel but definitely within toe axel territory. Almost no distribution of weight instantly lifting right foot off after pick and lack of transfer of rotation.

And here is a horrendous toe-waltz (which somehow made its way into a "how to do a toeloop video") https://youtu.be/NkGqYGARW7s (1:25).

Another thing characteristic of toe-waltz jumps is bringing toe through instead of heel first. The heel of your throwing leg needs to be passing your picking leg before the toe.

Thanks for the technical info!
Do you reckon Sviridenko's toe combo turned out the way it was because she had an imperfect landing on the first jump and tried to eke out a triple? Since I didn't see her do it with her other toe combos, so I don't think it's a systematic habit.
I'm pretty sure I've seen similar things in JGPs when kids try Hail Mary 3T<< combos after a sticky first landing instead of settling for 2T.

 

[plushyfan]

I can't read nor i understand Russian tho : biggrin: I personally don't think it is a fair business in a figure skating to send private messages to the skaters who are part of the other schools. I'm not saying she should speak with Eteri about it, but it would be a normal move to me to talk with the director of Sambo 70 for example, maybe with the federation, as with the student. There is a transfer policy in every sport. Or she should just wait for Alina to ask her about it. Why do you need to ask someone to join your team, if that one wants that, he/she will ask you. Because, her motivation is not certainly to help Alina in her competitive career, she is just not qualified for that job. Her husband is.

This is one example what is not fair , you think. I waited more examples becuase you generalized.

Alina performed in Navka shows, in Averbukh shows. She is not Eteri or Sambo's property.That is not a transfer if she will perform in other shows. What would lose Eteri? Money I believe because she receives money from every income of Alina.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Thanks for the technical info!
Do you reckon Sviridenko's toe combo turned out the way it was because she had an imperfect landing on the first jump and tried to eke out a triple? Since I didn't see her do it with her other toe combos, so I don't think it's a systematic habit.
I'm pretty sure I've seen similar things in JGPs when kids try Hail Mary 3T<< combos after a sticky first landing instead of settling for 2T.

To be fair, her second T in a combo wasn't that good ether. It is not certainly bad as the one in the first combo and it doesn't look as a toeaxel. So, i wouldn't say it is a mistake she made often. But she is certainly not very good in attaching Toeloop as a second jump.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

This is one example what is not fair , you think. I waited more examples becuase you generalized.

Alina performed in Navka shows, in Averbukh shows. She is not Eteri or Sambo's property.That is not a transfer if she will perform in other shows. What would lose Eteri? Some money I believe because she receives money from every income of Alina.

She obviously didn't call Alina for a participation in a show. Because i don't see anyone else who is called for that in her husband group. They are all called for Plushy to be their official coach in first place. (Also, Zhenya said that they were the first one who approached her about coaching her, but she rejected. I'm pretty sure Eteri wasn't the one who did the same). But the point is, what i was saying is my personal conclusion on the topic.

 

[bubblecherry]

Off topic!

At times I have very intuitive dreams. Last night I spent all night with Zhenya and skating in my dreams. I woke up and immediately checked GS, because often times when that happens it means something. Seeing about 5 new pages in the Russian Ladies thread made me panic a little, I thought something may be going on with Zhenya, but turns out it's just X coach vs. Y coach arguments again Well, I do hope there's some good Zhenya news soon.

 

[nussnacker]

This is one example what is not fair , you think. I waited more examples becuase you generalized.

Alina performed in Navka shows, in Averbukh shows. She is not Eteri or Sambo's property.That is not a transfer if she will perform in other shows. What would lose Eteri? Some money I believe because she receives money from every income of Alina.

Why are you twisting everything? According to you Yana first "wanted to invite her to the rink opening", now it's "she was inviting her to a show"? at least you could be consistent in your interpretations of what she did, constantly changing the versions isn't helpful.

You send someone a video of a gym and talk about foreign specialists and all the new coaches and new rinks you're offering them, and it apparently shows how you're completely uninterested in them as an athlete and it's just a show invitation or I guess an invitation to go see how a rink is opened.

I'll say my last thought on the matter. I am a firm believer that people should earn everything with their work, not just by throwing money, just my opinion.
I honestly at this point am not convinced about his true motivations regarding the girls and the sport in general. I hope to be proved wrong. I have no doubts these girls will work hard and do whatever it takes to achieve their dreams.

 

[nussnacker]

Off topic!

At times I have very intuitive dreams. Last night I spent all night with Zhenya and skating in my dreams. I woke up and immediately checked GS, because often times when that happens it means something. Seeing about 5 new pages in the Russian Ladies thread made me panic a little, I thought something may be going on with Zhenya, but turns out it's just X coach vs. Y coach arguments again Well, I do hope there's some good Zhenya news soon.

Gurl, that's 2020. We should all collectively stop hoping for good news. This year is cursed!

 

[plushyfan]

She obviously didn't call Alina for a participation in a show. Because i don't see anyone else who is called for that in her husband group. They are all called for Plushy to be their official coach in first place. (Also, Zhenya said that they were the first one who approached her about coaching her, but she rejected. I'm pretty sure Eteri wasn't the one who did the same). But the point is, what i was saying is my personal conclusion on the topic.

She called her to perform in the show in old chats. Didn't read it? And she invited her to the ice rink's opening.

I'm missing some fresh news? When did Zhenya say this?

 

[bubblecherry]

Gurl, that's 2020. We should all collectively stop hoping for good news. This year is cursed!

You're right lol! I guess I should celebrate the lack of bad news and keep it moving. Can't expect much more than that

 

[plushyfan]

Why are you twisting everything? According to you Yana first "wanted to invite her to the rink opening", now it's "she was inviting her to a show"? at least you could be consistent in your interpretations of what she did, constantly changing the versions isn't helpful.

You send someone a video of a gym and talk about foreign specialists and all the new coaches and new rinks you're offering them, and it apparently shows how you're completely uninterested in them as an athlete and it's just a show invitation or I guess an invitation to go see how a rink is opened.

I'll say my last thought on the matter. I am a firm believer that people should earn everything with their work, not just by throwing money, just my opinion.
I honestly at this point am not convinced about his true motivations regarding the girls and the sport in general. I hope to be proved wrong. I have no doubts these girls will work hard and do whatever it takes to achieve their dreams.

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" But the messages are taken out of context. I do not see the words "train" there, and even more so some kind of negative in someone's direction. Last year, Alina talked to me about the transition and possible participation in our shows, but decided to stay where she wanted to leave. We did not advertise this! She was underage then.

Now they gave me the information that Alina will find out what kind of atmosphere we have in the academy. Perhaps it would be interesting for her to cooperate with us in some of our shows, not only in Russia, but also abroad. And we - with her. I wrote: if we are needed, we are open."

edit: For me it's ridiculous you can read his team posts, Mikhaylov, Ilinykh, Volkov posts, interview about Plushenko's really busy works, days and you think he is not working in his school. It seems Eteri's cunning'is working.

 

[plushyfan]

«Алина — не крепостная. Надеюсь, наша переписка попала в чужие руки не под дулом пистолета». Рудковская отреагировала на пост команды Тутберидзе

Известный продюсер дала комментарий «СЭ».

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The well-known producer Yana Rudkovskaya, in a conversation with the SE correspondent, commented on the post of Eteri Tutberidze's team on Instagram, which refers to the "enticement" of the skater Alina Zagitova to Plushenko's academy . Attached to the post in the "story" is a screen with the correspondence between Rudkovskaya and Zagitova , which says about the opening of the academy's skating rink in November and that Alina is "expected". The photo is signed with the phrase "is nobody enticing anyone?"
As Rudkovskaya told "SE", the correspondence is genuine, but taken out of context. Here is a bright monologue of Yana without cuts.

- Alina and I are subscribed to each other and sometimes correspond. Alina, for example, asked questions and asked for advice on the Japanese wellness techniques that I advertise. I don’t know how our private correspondence fell into the wrong hands. And who did she get to, who took possession of her. I hope this did not happen at gunpoint or with the phone torn from my hands.

But the messages are taken out of context. I do not see the words "train" there, and even more so some kind of negative in someone's direction. Last year, Alina talked to me about the transition and possible participation in our shows, but decided to stay where she wanted to leave. We did not advertise this! She was underage then. Now I have received information that Alina will find out what kind of atmosphere we have in the academy. Perhaps it would be interesting for her to cooperate with us in some of our shows, not only in Russia, but also abroad. And we - with her. I wrote: if we are needed, we are open.

Alina is not a serf, she is already an adult girl, an adult. Recently, a presenter on television. Not entered at any competitions at the moment. What questions? Life just on figure skating does not end, at least for me.
I have my own version of all correspondence, but I will definitely never publish it anywhere, since I am a law-abiding citizen. It's a shame that there are such illiterate citizens for whom laws are not written. I hope that their lawyers will explain Article 138 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation to the headquarters. In between their workouts.

If her headquarters offers Sasha Plushenko to go to the show that she is organizing, they will come out with such an offer - I will agree with pleasure! As we know from Zhenya Medvedeva, everything impossible is possible. If her headquarters offers an interesting advertising contract to my son, I will give a good interest. I'm open! I don’t know who the storm is the most in the team. But everyone needs to relax and live peacefully. Train, not intrigue.

After all, you train athletes who play for Russia, and not for headquarters and academies! Although I understand how much the degree is increasing. But I'm no longer interested in playing show business. Here Tsvetaeva's poems impressed me much more, - concluded Rudkovskaya. (Dmitry Kuznetsov)

 

[Chillyh]

Can’t Plushy raise his own stars ? I understand that Eteri’s pupils are the best but it’s more gratifying to have something on your own and I’m glad that money can’t buy anyone.

Can't Eteri raise her own stars? I understand that luring skaters with all triples and 3-3 combos from Panova (Tarakanova, Kanysheva), Volkov (Trusova), Davydov (Rubcova), etc, etc is easy in her positon but it's more gratifying to have someone on your own...

 

[Fried]

I'll say my last thought on the matter. I am a firm believer that people should earn everything with their work, not just by throwing money, just my opinion.
I honestly at this point am not convinced about his true motivations regarding the girls and the sport in general. I hope to be proved wrong. I have no doubts these girls will work hard and do whatever it takes to achieve their dreams.

You're absolutely right. But what if Plushenko really throws himself into work as a coach? Nobody knows whether it will work, but if it does: Would it be bad to invest the "finished elite athletes" with money, perfect conditions and advertising contracts, and on top of that to work with them (be it personally or through the coaching team put together)? And if so, WHO would it be bad FOR and why? Nobody can see into the future. The project can fail completely, but you can also fail in TT if you can no longer cope with the training methods used there. And honestly. When I see training videos from Krustalny, Eteri's face and intonation, when she talks to the girls, I feel icecold. success is all well and good, but it would be nice to see that success is possible even under humane conditions.
Let's just wait and see. The girls can still go back, as we now know.

 

[yume]

Everyone whine about Russian drama, especially Eteri + Plushy being children. But i see that everyone love it actually.

 

[plushyfan]

Everyone whine about Russian drama, especially Eteri + Plushy being children. But i see that everyone love it actually.

well said