2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[eliana]

Gluma zilei de astăzi (pentru mine): Eteri se teme de succesul școlii Plushenko .:rece:

Exactly! And her fans too!

 

[ancientpeas]

I don't understand why it is bribery. Companies do this all the time. They want you to switch they offer you more money, a better benefits package, more vacation time, stock options, flex time, etc.

I think the reason they can't call it what it is is because people freak out because they have this weird idea that coaches have to be parent figures to their students. That's foolish. You are being paid to teach them. Your motives are, in the very least, mixed. We see over and over coaches putting the well being (physically and emotionally) of their students on the back burner so they can achieve success but when the student advocates for themselves and tries to get a better deal for themselves somehow it's a betrayal.

Ultimately time will tell if this is the best move for Aliona and Alexandra and what will happen with Evgenia and Anna. I hope all of these young ladies end up happy with their lives and their careers and get what they need now and in the future.

 

[plushyfan]

But there is no any logic in this statement - her junior student just won first Russian cup by a big margin. So she has the best students for years to come. Why she should be afraid of Plushenko? Unless Rudovskaya lures all her junior students to skate in their team, that statement just has no any evidence in reality/in what is actually happening on ice.

I would agree with you but Plushenko academy has a big potencial in every aspect. Own school, two ice rinks, will have everything in the school. Great environment, every device for the great athlets, sauna, medical room, ballet room, gym, teamdoctor,masseur. Probably Eteri knows what are missing in the Sambo. That is a public ice they have limited ice time, this is the reason why the greats must train together with the little pupils. Plus Plushenko's coaching team.

edit: but yes, the ice is slippery, we can see the incredible talent of Eteri's students. Maybe they will be the winner. Who knows?

 

[flanker]

Exactly! And her fans too!

That's exactly what I read here two years ago

 

[Skatesocs]

I really think it's time to move on.

 

[ancientpeas]

But yes.. I think if they are going to try to "lure" skaters they should probably just say "Hey.. I'm offering skating Y a chance to come skate at our facility where they will get more attention, better conditions, more freedom and options and I'll take a lower percentage".

To me that's good business.

The word lure has a bad flavour in the English language now a days though and often makes people think of predators so maybe a less negative word would be better.

 

[ancientpeas]

ANYWAY.. besides the point really..

Please speak to each other more respectfully and stop calling each other names.

If you make a claim you need to provide a source (with an english translation if it is another language).

 

[flanker]

I would agree with you but Plushenko academy has a big potencial in every aspect. Own school, two ice rinks, he will have everything in the school. Great environment, every device for the great athlets, sauna, medical room, teamdoctor,masseur. Probably Eteri knows what are missing in the Sambo. That is a public ice they have limited ice time, this is the reason why the greats must train together with the little pupils. Plus Plushenko's coaching team.

That's all true, but there are many teams not just in Russia but in the world who have exactly that. I don't deny Plushenko's team have a potential, but so far unproven with any success, experience or dealing with hard situation. By hard situation I don't mean instagram exchanges, but situations like when your top skater is not in the top form, is insulted repeatedly, injured etc. and everybody either relies on you or is looking forward to your failure. Eteri's team went through this and many other difficult scenarios which I believe even those who don't like Eteri personally don't deny and they mostly were triumphant despite many doomsdayers.

Of course, staying on the top is hard not only for the top athlete but for the top team as well. When you win many times, every loss is seen as your downfall, when you are not at the top (but you have favour of the elders of the clan) every victory is seen as the beginning of the new era.

 

[Pantsu]

thanks for sharing these. the translations of what she is saying in all four of the sources is essentially the same, for the part i quoted. i didn't read the rest either.

Yeah right. Removing and adding sentences is perfectly fine. Nothing to see there
They literally took her words out and added theirs

 

[silveruskate]

Yeah right. Removing and adding sentences is perfectly fine. Nothing to see there
They literally took her words out and added theirs

But what is your point? Aliona said there was no list in all translations....

 

[eliana]

That's exactly what I read here two years ago

I wasn't here two years ago, but I'm not talking about today or tomorrow, I'm talking about the near future..

 

[flanker]

I wasn't here two years ago, but I'm not talking about today or tomorrow, I'm talking about the near future..

They were also talking about the near future. That ended last week.

Disclaimer: it's not "bringing another name", it's just that I see some too many similarites, too many wishful thinkings. I simply don't understand why people wish someone a failure, as if it was a fault of a kind to be the among the most succesful teams in the world.

Of course, there is a way how to make another team so great, but that much more represents Davydov now, he's slowly building his team from the beginning, not with bombastic claims, but through the gradual improving of his team. He's the one on whom people should rely IMO.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I think this is what happens when there is not enough actual competition and skating and too much gossip, innuendo and rumour mongering.


Seriously now. Treat each other respectfully.

No one owns a certain skater. It's not indentured servitude. A coach can talk to a skater. A skater can say yes or no. Plushenko's wife apparently talked to Alina and Alina said no. Negations happen all the time in business. There are actually people called headhunters who try to get talent to change companies all the time. It's normal.

Try to see it as what it is: a business. It's not a marriage. No one is betraying anyone else by exploring their options.

Well, if a skater wants changes and search for other options, as Sasha Trusova (and/or her father) did for example, that's more than fine. But i don't think it's good to use a term like 'business' or 'headhunters' for figure skating. And even if that is what is happening, there must be clear rules to be followed and prices you need to pay for those activities, as in a soccer for example.

 

[flanker]

OK? enough for today I would say, don't want to spend another evening with this

 

[eliana]

They were also talking about the near future. That ended last week.

Disclaimer: it's not "bringing another name", it's just that I see some too many similaritoes, too many wishful thinkings. I simply don't understand why people wish someone a failure, as if it was a fault of a kind to be the among the mopst succesful teams in the world.

of course, there is a way how to make another team so great, but that much more represents Davydvs now, he's slowly building his team from the beginning, not with bombastic claims, but through the gradual improving of his team. He¨s the one on whom people should rely IMO.

I agree with you! But when I see how Evgheni is attacked for nothing by Eteri fans, I can't help but defend him. I am sorry! In fact, these little skaters are the most important

 

[eliana]

I agree with you! But when I see how Evgheni is attacked for nothing by Eteri fans, I can't help but defend him. I am sorry! In fact, these little skaters are the most important

And I'm convinced that Plushy is thinking about that too!

 

[Alex65]

Yes you missed pretty much everything. Rudkovskaya didn't invite Alina 'to the opening of their new ice rink.' She said 'we wait for you so much, we gonna have new rink soon, we can offer much ice time and many specialists including foreign ones'
Disclosing a private letter is legal in Russia if permitted by one of the correspondents.

You are giving false information again. This is not true. Disclosure of personal information is only possible with the consent of ALL involved parties. Unfair use of personal information is criminalized in Russia. It is a crime. There is an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

 

[flanker]

I agree with you! But when I see how Evgheni is attacked for nothing by Eteri fans, I can't help but defend him. I am sorry! In fact, these little skaters are the most important

I admit some notes, claims and words about him are unnecessary, maybe rude, there are overstatements etc., but be assured that that's exacly how I feel about many things Eteri and her team is facing (and that's not a thing of just several weeks or months).

Let's promise to ourselves we will be fair about everyone (sounds so - no, I won't spoil the moment ).

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I agree with you! But when I see how Evgheni is attacked for nothing by Eteri fans, I can't help but defend him. I am sorry! In fact, these little skaters are the most important

Well, I never attacked Evgheni, i think his intention is to become a good coach and i don't see anything wrong in it. However, i have a problem when business interfere with that (and Rudovskaya is a clear represent of it). Because in a business, money and fame are always more important than other people, skaters and coaches.

 

[plushyfan]

That's all true, but there are many teams not just in Russia but in the world who have exactly that. I don't deny Plushenko's team have a potential, but so far unproven with any success, experience or dealing with hard situation. By hard situation I don't mean instagram exchanges, but situations like when your top skater is not in the top form, is insulted repeatedly, injured etc. and everybody either relies on you or is looking forward to your failure. Eteri's team went through this and many other difficult scenarios which I believe even those who don't like Eteri personally don't deny and they mostly were triomphant despite many doomsdayers.

Of course, staying on the top is hard not only for the top athlete but for the top team as well. When you win many times, every loss is seen as your downfall, when you are not at the top (but you have favour of the elders of the clan) every victory is seen as the beginning of the new era.

Agree. I like Eteri's skaters, too. They are amazing and as I said we don't know what will happen despit to Plushenko's every possibility. : biggrin: I'm so sad because of this weird season. How many great battles will be missed because of the pandemic!