2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[eliana]

You obviusly want to discuss me instead of the facts I write about.

The facts are debatable, your intention is clear. I didn't like you from the moment you criticized Oksana Baiul so harshly. I'm sorry, that's my opinion

 

[Vandevska]

Yes but she came back and learned 3-3s.
I think that saying that Eteri had more work to do with her skaters isn't false and yes she knows how to get results.

No many had a big jump arsenal + reputation as good foundations for results when she took them. Most even if they had triples were finishing out of podiums. She had to make them get 3-3s and consistents.
Plushy got Sotnikova, Sakhanovich, Tarakanova, Konstantinova, Trusova, Kostornaya. All names already known, skaters developped by other coaches and who had already gotten good results.

Eteri never even got senior ladies. Unless you consider Medvedeva.

I agree, but I still don't understand why does it matter that they were already established.

Well established skaters change coaches all the time and it seems to be no big deal except when it comes to skaters leaving Eteri. What's the big deal I ask?

Edit: Being a well established skater doesn't mean you will work less or less work needs to be done with you. It doesn't make coaching any easier.

 

[Alex65]

You obviusly want to discuss me instead of the facts I write about.

Many of your "facts" and your conclusions based on these "facts" have only one purpose - to cast a shadow on one particular person E.Plyushchenko. And everyone else, coaches and athletes who are associated with him. You have to be blind so as not to replace this. And it doesn't matter that the "facts" are insignificant, taken out of context, presented one-sidedly and often simply not true. I do not see any other constructive goal in all this, except to discredit this group of people. You keep throwing it in because what? What drives you? Can we still talk about figure skating of Russian girls on this figure skating forum?

 

[Skatesocs]

It occurs to me that if everyone just stopped talking about this, no one would be talking about it and we could just move on. This might simply be an idle observation from me though.

I'm very curious as to why that pointless drama was brought into the thread. Surely everyone knew what would happen? Twitter and another site gossip is better left there. Trashy TSL "tea" is uninteresting to me.

It is *utterly* ridiculous that the ones complaining about the drama are adding more fuel to it.

 

[flanker]

I don't understand what is the problem just in posting a screen showing that Plushenko was announced as the only coach of a particular skater. "For the only purpose", lol, c'mon, what percentage of the comments about Eteri would have the same "only purpose" then

As for the comment on which that was a response - usually main coaches travel with skaters to competitions, not for recognition, but for being most able to prepare skater for it there. As Rozanov was mainly coaching novices, he mainly travelled with them to competitions. Still, he was "recognized" at least at Rostelecom (many of his current apologists were asking who he even is that time ) and through time he would have been seen more. So it's not like he was "exploited" or whatever

Let's close this pointless discussion.

 

[trkvy]

Please check ISU - Mikhailov under Sasha and Rozanov under Aliona

So what? Rozanov was listed as Trusova's coach at ISU website before their transfer too.

 

[Alex65]

It occurs to me that if everyone just stopped talking about this, no one would be talking about it and we could just move on. This might simply be an idle observation from me though.

I'm very curious as to why that pointless drama was brought into the thread. Surely everyone knew what would happen? Twitter and another site gossip is better left there. Trashy TSL "tea" is uninteresting to me.

It is *utterly* ridiculous that the ones complaining about the drama are adding more fuel to it.

I'm sorry

 

[esteticlove]

- Rudkovskaya didn't invited her to train plus Alina is not a competitor right now, and probably wont be. She is a free prey for every show organizer- as she was for Averbukh who is the owner of the Ice Age. It seems Eteri is sensitive only with Plushenko show

I think Alina understood this as an invitation to train with them, otherwise why would she answer "Thank you very much but I am staying with Eteri Georgievna"?

 

[Scott512]

BTW for me became clear Eteri is afraid of Plushenko school's succes.

And I believe the same! Plushy is building his own skating rinks. Soon he will have a significant increase in the girls who will come to skate with him. I think Eteri is terrified that she will no longer have a monopoly in this discipline

We dont know if Plushenko will be a coach in the league of EG. But he is a great recruiter that is undeniable .

Eteri won't have a complete dominance over the ladies discipline if Plushenko keeps his promises to skaters like Sasha Veronika and Aliona. So far so good. Sasha has three endorsements I think. Two since she went to PA and aliona after people were wondering for a year or so why she didn't have any sponsors all of a sudden has two in her first month at PA. Hmmm. So far Evgeni is delivering the good$ to the former EG phenoms. That is not debatable. Now let's see what kind of coaching he gives them and if they can maintain their greatness that they had at TT with EG.

To me the athletes always deserve to make as much as possible because their careers are short. We talked about these grade girls but for everyone that makes it as far as they do there are thousands that fail and a lot of those skaters are really good too.

 

[Fried]

EG is obviously very emotional as plushenko is. I wish EG would learn to take a deep breath and not react the way she has in being hurt when her stars who she took from nothing or mediocrity to greatness leave.

It makes the opposite impression on me, namely that the reactions are absolutely deliberately and precisely formulated. No wonder when you consider that it usually takes days for Eteri to react. How one can come up with the idea that the type of reactions can be traced back to emotional excitement is a mystery to me. Inconsiderate emotionally charged reactions are made at the moment of the highest excitement and not after days of pondering how is best to respond. When you react emotionally, you often say things that you feel sorry for after thinking about them. You apologize, mentioning the special circumstances and that's it. In the case of Eteri, it's the other way around. She thinks about it, reacts, and afterwards she stands firmly by it.

 

[nussnacker]

It makes the opposite impression on me, namely that the reactions are absolutely deliberately and precisely formulated. No wonder when you consider that it usually takes days for Eteri to react. How one can come up with the idea that the type of reactions can be traced back to emotional excitement is a mystery to me. Inconsiderate emotionally charged reactions are made at the moment of the highest excitement and not after days of pondering how is best to respond. When you react emotionally, you often say things that you feel sorry for after thinking about them. You apologize, mentioning the special circumstances and that's it. In the case of Eteri, it's the other way around. She thinks about it, reacts, and afterwards she stands firmly by it.

Don’t mind me, I don’t think people get over things like that in a day, or a week, or a month. They probably should, but I don’t think that’s how it is in reality.

 

[Fried]

Don’t mind me, I don’t think people get over things like that in a day, or a week, or a month. They probably should, but I don’t think that’s how it is in reality.

You don't see the point. Or better: you don't want to see him. It's like assessing the gravity of a crime. If it happens in the affect, it is evaluated differently than if it is carried out deliberately. Even if the motivation was the same. But even that doesn't really matter, because I just wanted to explain why I think the "Eteri is just too emotional" variant is absolutely nonsensical.

 

[nussnacker]

You don't see the point. Or better: you don't want to see him. It's like assessing the gravity of a crime. If it happens in the affect, it is evaluated differently than if it is carried out deliberately. Even if the motivation was the same. But even that doesn't really matter, because I just wanted to explain why I think the "Eteri is just too emotional" variant is absolutely nonsensical.

Maybe. Maybe you see what you want to see.

 

[gsk8]

Hey all!

We realize that this is a sensitive top for all. However, a moderator has already asked earlier in this thread that folks be civil and not call each other names. We have no issues with a healthy debate, but do not insult other members.

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[Amei]

Something unrelated to coaching drama, I was glad to see in the first cup stage several instances of the clean white skating boots. So many of the ladies skaters wear edea skates that have ugly designs on the side of the boots.

 

[plushyfan]

That's the part that seems questionable to me. Do people believe that Plushenko can call up the CEO of Nike and say, hey, how about giving my skater a million dollar endorsement contract?

Maybe he can provide skaters with opportunities to perform in shows that he himself produces. Still, I don't think of Plushenko as a financial or PR genius, however much money his wife has. Isn't Alina Zagitova the #1 Russian skater in terms of publicity and endorsement opportunities?

No. I can show you the Russian Forbes's datas Plushenko earned $ 23 millions after Torino. But he was very rich before that because of his many shows, victories. Yana has own incomes from her business.

 

[plushyfan]

And I'm all for the skaters making as much money as possible. Sasha has two new endorsements in the three months she's been there and Aliona has her first actual sponsor. Most skaters struggle financially and their parents struggle financially and it's terrible. If dealing with this legendary skaters Academy gets them more money they would at TT or any other academy then that's good.

yes, especially if the parents must paid money to the coach's pocket.. The skaters give to Eteri 50% of prizes and advertising. This is a new information about Eteri. What do you think about it?

 

[macy]

Don’t mind me, I don’t think people get over things like that in a day, or a week, or a month. They probably should, but I don’t think that’s how it is in reality.

maybe not get over it, but at least process your emotions to the point where you don't act or speak from a place purely of anger and emotion.

 

[plushyfan]

TV writes on the screen information receivIt includes music choice and coaed from coaching teams. ches' names. So nobody but Plushenko is responsible for that.

Who knows? Did you read all of his interview? He always mentoned Rozanov and the others with great respect. I'm sure their name will be next to his name on the next stage. I have a bet .

 

[plushyfan]

So what? Rozanov was listed as Trusova's coach at ISU website before their transfer too.

And? because that isn't changed. Was Mikhaylov next to her name?