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some days ago Shelepen about Eteri:

“I'm tired of swearing. There was no work going on, there was swearing after swearing. It was impossible to continue like this "

Have a good day everyone.
The same thing. Google translate is nice for getting a general idea, but sometimes it would twist the meaning completely. Like it always translates Toeloop as sheepskin coat, it always translates the derivatives of word ругать into swearing, which it is not.
 
Yes and we can know from this little tale: Eteri's income from the skaters: 50-50 from the prize money, from all shows, advertisements and TV projects! And don't forget about 30 thousand in an envelope every month. it's weird you can't see any bad thing in it. Eteri can be happy if the tax authority ignore this information. This post was very-very smart this is not about his ego this is about his cleverness :wink:

Probably the information came from Sasha and Aliona. But there were rumours about it already..Eteri uses the state money, she receives everything from the state but she does this. Congratulatios!
Cause his info is so trustworthy. LOL. Quite a few former students of Eteri said she helped them financially, didn’t take any money letting them train for free and even provided clothes to them.
Yeah, and all that considering Plushenko charges 60k, twice the alleged amount, per HOUR.
 
40%. If the great coach can get that good for her. If phenoms like Sasha and aliona leave because they're losing too much money to their coach EG will have to change or accept losing great skaters from time to time due to financial reasons.
First it was 30%, then 40%, now 50%. Looking at this progression, I’m waiting till someone will finally call a number 100%.
 
Cause his info is so trustworthy. LOL. Quite a few former students of Eteri said she helped them financially, didn’t take any money letting them train for free and even provided clothes to them.
Yeah, and all that considering Plushenko charges 60k, twice the alleged amount, per HOUR.
I'll try to explain this to you if you don't understand. ET is essentially a teacher in a public school. She receives a salary from the state, the state provides her with all the conditions for work free of charge (ice, other coaches and specialists in the team, equipment). Does your son attend public school? So Khrustalny is a state school, only here children are taught sports. Now answer honestly, if you have to bring your child's teacher $ 500 every month, or you get kicked out of this school, in which country in the world will that be okay? Yes, it is in Russia, but it is not normal even in Russia. Moreover, it is illegal.
Plushenko Academy is a private enterprise. There is no government regulation or government subsidies. He can name any price for training, even the craziest. If it suits someone, no problem. If no one comes to Plushenko at the rink, he will go bankrupt. Purely market relations. And believe me, the Russian tax service controls private business very closely, as opposed to government agencies.
First it was 30%, then 40%, now 50%. Looking at this progression, I’m waiting till someone will finally call a number 100%.
This is so and it is not funny.
 
I'll try to explain this to you if you don't understand. ET is essentially a teacher in a public school. She receives a salary from the state, the state provides her with all the conditions for work free of charge (ice, other coaches and specialists in the team, equipment). Does your son attend public school? So Khrustalny is a state school, only here children are taught sports. Now answer honestly, if you have to bring your child's teacher $ 500 every month, or you get kicked out of this school, in which country in the world will that be okay? Yes, it is in Russia, but it is not normal even in Russia. Moreover, it is illegal.
Plushenko Academy is a private enterprise. There is no government regulation or government subsidies. He can name any price for training, even the craziest. If it suits someone, no problem. If no one comes to Plushenko at the rink, he will go bankrupt. Purely market relations. And believe me, the Russian tax service controls private business very closely, as opposed to government agencies.
false equivalence fallacy is very common under this thread :ROFLMAO:
 
I'll try to explain this to you if you don't understand. ET is essentially a teacher in a public school. She receives a salary from the state, the state provides her with all the conditions for work free of charge (ice, other coaches and specialists in the team, equipment). Does your son attend public school? So Khrustalny is a state school, only here children are taught sports. Now answer honestly, if you have to bring your child's teacher $ 500 every month, or you get kicked out of this school, in which country in the world will that be okay? Yes, it is in Russia, but it is not normal even in Russia. Moreover, it is illegal.
Plushenko Academy is a private enterprise. There is no government regulation or government subsidies. He can name any price for training, even the craziest. If it suits someone, no problem. If no one comes to Plushenko at the rink, he will go bankrupt. Purely market relations. And believe me, the Russian tax service controls private business very closely, as opposed to government agencies.

This is so and it is not funny.

Either you have a proof Eteri takes money ("envelops") illegally, and in such case you should announce it to the police, or you just make a false accusation. Which is illegal in most countries.

Something doesn't become a reality just because Plushenko claims that (he claimed that about every coaching team, BTW ;) ).
 
Either you have a proof Eteri takes money ("envelops") illegally, and in such case you should announce it to the police, or you just make a false accusation. Which is illegal in most countries.

Something doesn't become a reality just because Plushenko claims that (he claimed that about every coaching team, BTW ;)
Only a tribunal can give a legal assessment to all this. To do this, one of the parties must contact the police or the prosecutor's office and make tons of efforts to bring the case to court .. I am sure it will not come to this :) What we can observe now is a war on the Internet. Both sides try to present their opponents as unattractive as possible. The usual thing. Sports officials will not allow anyone to harm the chicken that lays their golden eggs in the form of medals and prizes. Everything will be fine, you don't have to worry about it. Nothing will change.
 
Because individual skaters are not the only people involved in the sport, there are also coaches, officials and the audience. And the world is not rounding about your or mine favourite skater, but around the sport as a whole.
So said and agreed, it's an individual sport.
In the end is the skater alone on the ice in front of judges and audience, and that gave him the right to choose how, where, where and with whom to train.
A school system is very good both for technical and behavioral training in every sport, until a certain point in career in which the athlete could be considered a "professional".

At that point is the coach working for the ahtlete, despite the coach remaing a mentoring figure still forming and advising the ahtlete.
It's apparently contradictory, but it's not; the coach is in charge, but it's the athlete who put him in charge.
Both can decide to end the relation.
There could be a contract? Yes, but it can't be a contract that ties them without the option to break the partnership for a set amount of time like a club contract.

The ahtlete may need to be affiliated (under contract) with a club but that won't necessarily mean being "under" a coach not choosen by him.

If the fed wants, it could force the skaters to sign contracts with clubs in order to compete in which it's stated that the skaters should work only under a coach chose by the club at the club facility.
But this is ok for hockey (team sport).
Figure skating, like swimming or long jump is an individual sport and the athlete should have the final word on training.
 
Cause his info is so trustworthy. LOL. Quite a few former students of Eteri said she helped them financially, didn’t take any money letting them train for free and even provided clothes to them.
Yeah, and all that considering Plushenko charges 60k, twice the alleged amount, per HOUR.
Fake information in this way. That is the most expensive lesson from those who come from any other countries and want to meet with him and want to train with him because he is Evgeni Plushenko. That is not regular coaching :) Gain exact information, not just repeat what you read from haters. So this is not good argument against to a tax evader and who asks money to her pocket. And you don't forget his Academy is totally private. He pays tax, bills, coaches, ice, tec. Plus those price includes all kinds of lesson prices, icetime, gym, ballet lesson etc. If you think logically you understand this.

Plushenko, has group of autistic children who skate for free.

A parent wrote:

There are not only autists, there are children with different diagnoses. Plushenko's school, as I understand it, participates in the Moscow municipal program for the adaptation of children with disabilities, and is quite actively involved, not just for show. Active participation is coaches with special additional education in the field of defectology, these are hall and ice hours (here, however, I don’t know whether the school pays for these rental hours or the municipality), this is a bunch of all sorts of "goodies" for children in the form of periodic one-time master classes from the school's top coaches, including Plushenko himself.
At one time, my daughter in the classroom with a speech therapist crossed in time with a boy who was skating in this group (there is a rather "heavy" child, with a disability and a lot of health problems, even visually). Accordingly, his mother and I chatted while the children undressed - they were waiting for teachers - they were getting dressed. So, she is absolutely delighted, did not expect such a serious approach from the club, which either the city or the regional authorities imposed such a social burden on. Classes were offered to them in the district social protection, along with other options for circles for a disabled child, everything is really absolutely free.

Plus he is sponsoring himself some talented skaters and there is a great sponsor of the Academy who helps many little talented skaters. In this way the prices became very tolerable.
 
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The same thing. Google translate is nice for getting a general idea, but sometimes it would twist the meaning completely. Like it always translates Toeloop as sheepskin coat, it always translates the derivatives of word ругать into swearing, which it is not.

We know from Aliona she is a really nice in traning. :wink:Do you think she lied in her interview?
 
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I'll try to explain this to you if you don't understand. ET is essentially a teacher in a public school. She receives a salary from the state, the state provides her with all the conditions for work free of charge (ice, other coaches and specialists in the team, equipment). Does your son attend public school? So Khrustalny is a state school, only here children are taught sports. Now answer honestly, if you have to bring your child's teacher $ 500 every month, or you get kicked out of this school, in which country in the world will that be okay? Yes, it is in Russia, but it is not normal even in Russia. Moreover, it is illegal.
Plushenko Academy is a private enterprise. There is no government regulation or government subsidies. He can name any price for training, even the craziest. If it suits someone, no problem. If no one comes to Plushenko at the rink, he will go bankrupt. Purely market relations. And believe me, the Russian tax service controls private business very closely, as opposed to government agencies.

This is so and it is not funny.
What a way to read through what I wrote in a most convenient way for your argument. If it takes place, they all should get punished. However, it‘s Plushenko and Rudkovskaya‘s words. Words of many others go in exact opposite way. Neither Lipnitskaya, nor Medvedeva, nor Zagitova, nor Kostornaya ever had that kind of money, so the claims are more than absurd.
Is that clear now?
There are quite a few examples of Plushenko that don’t appeal to his trustworthiness. I.e. when taking on Sasha he promised to not do any shows and focus on her exclusively, he then goes and announces his biggest show yet a few months later. Makes big promises about foreign choreographers for Sasha, she gets choreo from Rozanov, although, as we can see now getting a foreign choreographer through Skype isn’t really an issue. Should I go on? To me it appears he doesn’t even care how seriously his words are taken.

Plushenko receives state money as well, even if he’s having a private school operation. He’s now a state funded coach, FYI.
 
Only a tribunal can give a legal assessment to all this. To do this, one of the parties must contact the police or the prosecutor's office and make tons of efforts to bring the case to court .. I am sure it will not come to this :) What we can observe now is a war on the Internet. Both sides try to present their opponents as unattractive as possible. The usual thing. Sports officials will not allow anyone to harm the chicken that lays their golden eggs in the form of medals and prizes. Everything will be fine, you don't have to worry about it. Nothing will change.
It could be said I agree it is a war on the internet, though I don't understand why unfounded claims of the third kind (that basically fullfill the definition of a false accusation) are used as an argument in a discussion.

Even more weird is that originally some local PLushenko fans didn't believe he made such accusation, whuile now they use it in their favour :) (the development was roughly "I don't believe he said that" ... "well, if he said that so I belive his claim, he has a reason why he said that" :ROFLMAO: )
 
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We know from Aliona she is a really nice in traning. :wink:Do you think she lied in her interview?
Again, the twisting....Aliona did say she’s a stern demanding coach (https://www.championat.com/figuresk...ostornaja-podelilis-mneniem-o-tutberidze.html), and so did quite a few other people. Alina said that Eteri’s sternness would even scare her at the beginning. They also say she would crack jokes from time to time too, and she isn’t always an ice cold lady. What’s your point exactly?
 
It think Eteri takes it all, and just provides the girls with and uncomfortable bed (to fortify their mind), a protein bar and a glass of water a day.

(this way we put togheter money and starving rumors)

🤣

What a way to read through what I wrote in a most convenient way for your argument. If it takes place, they all should get punished. However, it‘s Plushenko and Rudkovskaya‘s words. Words of many others go in exact opposite way. Neither Lipnitskaya, nor Medvedeva, nor Zagitova, nor Kostornaya ever had that kind of money, so the claims are more than absurd.
Is that clear now?
There are quite a few examples of Plushenko that don’t appeal to his trustworthiness. I.e. when taking on Sasha he promised to not do any shows and focus on her exclusively, he then goes and announces his biggest show yet a few months later. Makes big promises about foreign choreographers for Sasha, she gets choreo from Rozanov, although, as we can see now getting a foreign choreographer through Skype isn’t really an issue. Should I go on? To me it appears he doesn’t even care how seriously his words are taken.

Plushenko receives state money as well, even if he’s having a private school operation. He’s now a state funded coach, FYI.
This is just a coach's words who don't know what will happen in the future especially in the pandemic. he said sasha will have foreign choreographer but Aliona got it finally. Did you forgot this little detail? Probably he wanted but he couldn't do it in June. Who knows? This is not a real lying. Sasha has lessons with teacher of Bolshoi, if I understand well.
 
Again, the twisting....Aliona did say she’s a stern demanding coach (https://www.championat.com/figuresk...ostornaja-podelilis-mneniem-o-tutberidze.html), and so did quite a few other people. Alina said that Eteri’s sternness would even scare her at the beginning. They also say she would crack jokes from time to time too, and she isn’t always an ice cold lady. What’s your point exactly?
she swear and persecuted her if she can’t do something..read the interview again
 
This is just a coach's words who don't know what will happen in the future especially in the pandemic. She said sasha will have foreign choreographer but Aliona got it finally. Did you forgot this little detail? Probably he wanted but he couldn't do it in June. Who knows? This is not a real lying. Sasha has lessons with teacher of Bolshoi, if I understand well.
Yeah, exactly, so why not Sasha?
and planning a show isn’t a job of 2-3 months, especially hiring 100+ world famous skaters, so why did he say he would stop doing shows if he was already having his biggest show in works?
 
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