2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Amei]

No one brought up changing countries though?

Well that was my assumption because that's usually the root of ancestry questions.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

I'm frustrated by this SPb "secret" (thirsty for skating!), so I drifted back to YouTube to rewatch programs from the Test Skates. Channel One has posted each performance as an individual clip. (Cheers to Channel One).
I love this forum, and I really enjoyed everyone's personal hot take on ranking the performances in the absence of panel judging. But while I was rewatching the short programs, I wondered, what about the "wisdom of the crowd" as a judging metric?

As of now, (considering short programs only, as two ladies missed lp) the popular vote standings are:

Kostornaia 290k views
Trusova. 240k
Valieva. 236k
Medvedeva. 211k
Shcherbakova. 149k
Tuktamysheva. 110k
Samodurova. 47k

Not what I was expecting.

Could be based on who their favourite skaters were from past years, which skaters were in the news, and which skaters they missed watching live, or which ones they want to rewatch.

If likes and dislikes are considered interaction maybe this would be good metric:

Likes/total interactions * total views.

That will give us more information on popularity of skater. Not perfect, but better than views alone.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

I'm frustrated by this SPb "secret" (thirsty for skating!), so I drifted back to YouTube to rewatch programs from the Test Skates. Channel One has posted each performance as an individual clip. (Cheers to Channel One).
I love this forum, and I really enjoyed everyone's personal hot take on ranking the performances in the absence of panel judging. But while I was rewatching the short programs, I wondered, what about the "wisdom of the crowd" as a judging metric?

As of now, (considering short programs only, as two ladies missed lp) the popular vote standings are:

Kostornaia 290k views
Trusova. 240k
Valieva. 236k
Medvedeva. 211k
Shcherbakova. 149k
Tuktamysheva. 110k
Samodurova. 47k

Not what I was expecting.

The views for Alena's SP went up a lot after her WD from the Free Skate, before that Sasha's was the leading one I guess many people rewatched Alena's SP after her WD

 

[Jontor]

Well, now after Nebelhorn Torphy, I guess we can say that the season has officially started.
We have a Season's Best List.
But there are no Russian Ladies in it.
Feels odd.

 

[Shayuki]

I'm frustrated by this SPb "secret" (thirsty for skating!), so I drifted back to YouTube to rewatch programs from the Test Skates. Channel One has posted each performance as an individual clip. (Cheers to Channel One).
I love this forum, and I really enjoyed everyone's personal hot take on ranking the performances in the absence of panel judging. But while I was rewatching the short programs, I wondered, what about the "wisdom of the crowd" as a judging metric?

As of now, (considering short programs only, as two ladies missed lp) the popular vote standings are:

Kostornaia 290k views
Trusova. 240k
Valieva. 236k
Medvedeva. 211k
Shcherbakova. 149k
Tuktamysheva. 110k
Samodurova. 47k

Not what I was expecting.

Kostornaya and Trusova with the coach change curiosity boost, and otherwise it's a pretty normal order.

 

[DougDorsey]

Well that was my assumption because that's usually the root of ancestry questions.

No, I was just curious about her ethnic roots. It wasn't intended to be about changing countries.

It sounds like her father is almost certainly Russian, based on his last name. So perhaps it's her mom who might be of Ukrainian background? Here's her IG account, in case it offers any clues...

https://www.instagram.com/yullenok/

 

[eliana]

Kostornaya and Trusova with the coach change curiosity boost, and otherwise it's a pretty normal order.

Shcherbakova with twice as less views as Valieva? It doesn't seem normal to me!

 

[Fried]

Shcherbakova with twice as less views as Valieva? It doesn't seem normal to me!

While Anna has been quiet for the past few months, there have been countless media reports and discussions about Kamila, who was placed in a prominent position by TT for the test skates and thus clearly chosen as a future star. The particular interest is therefore not surprising.

 

[Shayuki]

Shcherbakova with twice as less views as Valieva? It doesn't seem normal to me!

Valieva's been getting a ton of views, though. Her JGPF free skate got 320k for example. She had several skates with over 100k in just some random locals. There's also the thing with Valieva being in senior test skates 1 year sooner than she should.

 

[eliana]

Shcherbakova with twice as less views as Valieva? It doesn't seem normal to me!

As for Sasha and Aliona, that's right. Everyone needs to know that Plushy needs to be taken seriously

 

[Scott512]

I wouldn't say SS, rather the confidence (again true for all Eteri girls) and consistency and tech content (that people glaze over for a requirement that rockets you in the eyes of the judges).

Yes coaching confidence are crucial 4 TT skaters.

But I've never seen a turnaround like Alionas. Going from 17th at Junior Russian Nationals under her former team and I'm moving the TT and a few months later being 3rd at senior Russian Nationals it's something I've never seen in figure skating. It's the most spectacular turn around I've ever seen. You hit on the key point. Confidence from the coaches.

 

[Shayuki]

Yes coaching confidence are crucial 4 TT skaters.

But I've never seen a turnaround like Alionas. Going from 17th at Junior Russian Nationals under her former team and I'm moving the TT and a few months later being 3rd at senior Russian Nationals it's something I've never seen in figure skating. It's the most spectacular turn around I've ever seen. You hit on the key point. Confidence from the coaches.

Yeah, I think you're definitely forgetting someone here. Namely, Alina Zagitova.

 

[Magill]

But I've never seen a turnaround like Alionas. Going from 17th at Junior Russian Nationals under her former team and I'm moving the TT and a few months later being 3rd at senior Russian Nationals it's something I've never seen in figure skating. It's the most spectacular turn around I've ever seen.

And what about Sofia Titova? Wasn't it a similar flight up the ladder (as for her age, of course, and acknowledging we don't know what happens to her next)?

 

[plushyfan]

And what about Sasha Titova? Wasn't it a similar flight up the ladder (as for her age, of course, and acknowledging we don't know what happens to her next)?

Who is Sasha Titova?

 

[Fried]

Who is Sasha Titova?

Sasha or Sofia. Who cares? (joke!)

 

[Shayuki]

And what about Sasha Titova? Wasn't it a similar flight up the ladder (as for her age, of course, and acknowledging we don't know what happens to her next)?

Sofia Titova? Well, she was a high-end skater for her age, and still is one. Out of the 2009s I think that the best skater's Liubov Rubtsova regardless of the results at nationals. She's essentially an upgraded Trusova.

 

[Magill]

Who is Sasha Titova?

Sofia Titova, of course, thanks! Edited. You see, I still keep thinking about Sasha But maybe it is just a good prediction for Sofia to be mistaken for Sasha... who knows?

 

[Scott512]

Yeah, I think you're definitely forgetting someone here. Namely, Alina Zagitova.

Of course I realized that after I posted my post and left the house. That is one of the great turnarounds ever as well with EG and Alina. Remember she was going to bounce Alina out of TT and changed her mind at the last second. The rest is history.

But the Aliona turn around in a few months from 17th at Junior Nationals to third at senior Nationals is off the charts!

 

[Scott512]

And what about Sofia Titova? Wasn't it a similar flight up the ladder (as for her age, of course, and acknowledging we don't know what happens to her next)?

It's much too soon to tell. The turnaround has to take place on the highest level of all. Seniors.

 

[Scott512]

In an interview, Aliona acknowledged this, directly and specifically, when she said that people were telling her that she was unexceptional, that she had reached her peak and that she would never be top flight, but then EG agreed to take her in and that vote of confidence changed her completely. It is plain to see, from her reactions in the K&C with TT. She doesn't hide what she thinks about her marks, but what she looks for (sometimes with almost poignant desperation) is the approval of her coaches.

I agree with every word.

There is also a video on YouTube of aliona with TT in the kiss and cry for a couple years. It's hard for her to have a poker face she's always showing her emotions and smiling. I'm sure they miss that. Aliona says she's very emotional. And she certainly has the it Factor.