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It concerns the aesthetics of the jump similar to small jump or big jump, and per my comment I wonder if it affects rotation.
@macy already did explain why it doesn't make sense. Kostornaia uses a loose air position (*not* a leg wrap) because she jumps big. If she had a tighter air position than that, it would lead her to over rotate and fall over. Her air position is much tighter in her 3A for good reason. The alternative would be to jump smaller. Or use some other way to slow down her rotation like tano/rippon, which I'd rather not see.
 
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Just some japanese girl. Plushenko shouldn’t bother with her. I’m sure she’s been trying her best to make it into his academy and he keeps rejecting her.

Oh..you will have many bad days in the future because of different reasons.. You will be surprised how many skaters want to train on the PA. :wink:
 
@macy already did explain why it doesn't make sense. Kostornaia uses a loose air position (*not* a leg wrap) because she jumps big. If she had a tighter air position than that, it would lead her to over rotate and fall over. Her air position is much tighter in her 3A for good reason. The alternative would be to jump smaller. Or use some other way to slow down her rotation like tano/rippon, which I'd rather not see.
again, jump mechanics...

le sigh.
 
again, jump mechanics...

le sigh.
The thing I don't get with the "leg wrap aesthetic" discussion is that people ignore it's actually making the jump harder (since people always cite Midori Ito, or now Kostornaia gets it), because it allows them to jump bigger, and big jumps are harder to control ❓ ❓ ❓ why are your subjective preferences more important than something objectively harder?

A real leg wrap might be seen in the jumps of Yukari Nakano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJ3iWH1GQw and it usually happens because the way you snap into rotation is lazy.

I also saw someone criticising Boyang Jin's head position in the 4Lz in the way he rotates lol and why it didn't deserve huge GOE on this website. It gives him the most stable axis of them all, but that apparently matters a lot less because you don't like the way his head looks.
 
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@macy already did explain why it doesn't make sense. Kostornaia uses a loose air position (*not* a leg wrap) because she jumps big. If she had a tighter air position than that, it would lead her to over rotate and fall over. Her air position is much tighter in her 3A for good reason. The alternative would be to jump smaller. Or use some other way to slow down her rotation like tano/rippon, which I'd rather not see.
Wow, this is so interesting! I myself like how her 2A looks, there's something very aesthetic about it. My very first post here was about jumps I find beautiful despite the technique behind it, and her axel was right there in my list. However, I had no idea that what I call "leg wrap" is actually a loose air position. Thanks for your explanation! With the way she jumps her flips (the same loose position/leg wrap), is there a possibility for a 4F for her?
 
@macy already did explain why it doesn't make sense. Kostornaia uses a loose air position (*not* a leg wrap) because she jumps big. If she had a tighter air position than that, it would lead her to over rotate and fall over. Her air position is much tighter in her 3A for good reason. The alternative would be to jump smaller. Or use some other way to slow down her rotation like tano/rippon, which I'd rather not see.
Not really.

She could still jump big, she could just delay the rotation. That even grants +GOE. She could also open the rotation earlier.

It's just a flaw of hers.
 
I don't see Rika moving to Russia permanently for similar reasons why Shoma didn't, plus Plushenko's lack of results to prove himself attractive to top foreing skaters at this point.

At most I could see her spending some time there training, but definitely not soon.
 
Not really.

She could still jump big, she could just delay the rotation. That even grants +GOE. She could also open the rotation earlier.

It's just a flaw of hers.
"Delaying the rotation" and "opening up early" are learning two different timings on the jump.

Where is the explanation of "it's just a flaw"? Giving two other things she could do - both harder to build into a jump - isn't an explanation?

With the way she jumps her flips (the same loose position/leg wrap), is there a possibility for a 4F for her?
It's not easy for me to say, but comparing the rotation position on her 2A vs 3A, I'm sure she'll learn a more efficient way to rotate a 4F if she learns it and needs to do so.
 
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I don’t know if anything will surprise me at this point. Yuzuru Hanyu is on the waiting list as well, I heard.

Yuzuru Hanyu adores him, respects him from his childhood. Hanyu had Plushenko- inspired hairstyle when he was a little boy, so as a guest he would go there... You can be mocking, but remember my words! Or I will remind you when it's time. :LOL:
 
Plushenko's lack of results to prove himself attractive to top foreing skaters at this point.
It seems you don't understand or you don't want to understand..Evgeni Plushenko is everything in Japan. He is the Emperor of the figure skating, not among the skaters only but the japanese media use this signaling word continously. So, you beleive me he is attractive for the foreign skaters at this point, too.

At most I could see her spending some time there training, but definitely not soon.

I agree.
 
It seems you don't understand or you don't want to understand..Evgeni Plushenko is everything in Japan. He is the Emperor of the figure skating, not among the skaters only but the japanese media use this signaling word continously. So, you beleive me he is attractive for the foreign skaters at this point, too.
As a skater, but he's not a skater anymore.
Coaching is different and he hasn't coached anyone to an international title yet.
The only thing he has proven so far is that he has money.
 
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And great luring skills.. :wink: But Kihira? Training a potential Olympic threat? :scratch2:
To who?
No coach is likely to have an exclusivity contract with a skater saying they will not coach another skater who is a threat to the others' medal chances. I do believe the Fed imposed something the year of the Sochi Olympics that prevented Russian coaches from coaching a non-Russian skater, which is why Tursynbayeva went to Orser.
 
As a skater, but he's not a skater anymore.
Coaching is different and he hasn't coached anyone to an international title yet.
The only thing he has proven so far is that he has money.
They know him as an athlete. It tells everything. As I said the Japaneses and Chineses wanted him after Sochi. The Chineses didn't wait for the games to end.

The new Plushenko interview in english
 
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