2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[readernick]

Just that it‘s tough and occasionally uses questionable methods (as, sadly, many figure skating coaches all around the world do)

This is sadly the case. With the possible exception of coaches that work almost exclusively with multinational adults (and thus don't have the power dynamics in their favor to allow abuse of their athletes), questionable training methods are common worldwide in figure skating. It really makes me question people's morals and motives when they want to defend an adult's (any adult, I don't care which... I am not a "fan" of any of these coaches) questionable (at best), abusive( at worst) methods. Until people acknowledge the issues, it is going to continue and the young coaches are going to follow the lead of those who taught them, which will mean a new generation of athletes who are also in unhealthy training environments. Who really needs to be defended, coaches in their 40s or the kids under their care?

 

[Fried]

Oh, c'mon, aren't here many positive comments about many persons, memories in interviews, when someone makes positve allusions about somebody? Are you telling me you don't see them?

Do you even read what I write? I have already stated twice that I have not said a word on the subject of "positive comments". I'm really giving up.

 

[trkvy]

Alyona Zhilina 3A https://www.instagram.com/p/CGC9uhNKUkz/?igshid=1hea1io4c6k0q

 

[readernick]

Alyona Zhilina 3A https://www.instagram.com/p/CGC9uhNKUkz/?igshid=1hea1io4c6k0q

Wow! She is cute and impressive.

 

[flanker]

190-200 degrees.

Actually, if you look at it in 0.25 speed, you will find out it's 190.333-199.899.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Actually, if you look at it in 0.25 speed, you will find out it's 190.333-199.899.

No, you're wrong. its actually 196.59304859203849.

 

[flanker]

No, you're wrong. its actually 196.59304859203849.

You're right, I replayed it 3456times more and I have to confirm that.

 

[Vandevska]

Would you look at that, this thread went from assigning everyone who questioned Eteri (in a sensical way or not) to Evgenia's camp, and now it's changed to assigning them to Pluschenko's camp.

 

[Dogo]

It's exhausting to try to decipher if half the comments on this thread are being sarcastic, ironic, sending personal attacks, or are jokes at all..

 

[Skatesocs]

This thread has it all

 

[yume]

There's nothing "too" free. The mindset that people must agree with you to comment is outdated - provided you aren't actively discriminating against people for things that don't harm other people. I've been sitting on the fence for this entire ridiculous conversation which is meaningless - and yes it is meaningless - as we should be supporting the athletes not the coaches.

In fact, this comment you made has made me decide to "jump off the fence", and talk "free-er" (or in correct English "more freely, but that didn't ring as nicely):

For me, Mishin is the best Russian coach and seems the nicest. I don't know everything about him, but he is fair on his skaters and is relatively patient compared to some of the others. He doesn't swear at skaters, and he is relatively calm. He gives "good vibrations." I think Dudakov is very similar (I think he is a nice guy who teaches jumps whilst Eteri "Motivates" people. I know nothing of Davydov or Plushenkos measures, but I have heard some stories about how Yana Plushenko locked Sasha Plushenko into a cupboard and beat him so I wouldn't hold my breath if in a few years time Plushenko's school starts mistreating the skaters after they've had some success.

As long as people are rewarded for producing the 1 Olympic cycle prodigies ages 15-18 then inevitably this will take place. They will push to produce best results quick as possible, as in Russia you get nowhere if you don't have triples by age 9-10. It's not expected that these skaters will be competing for a long period of time - but for the coaches who have 3 or 4 youngsters lined up rearing to replace them its not a problem. These are skaters who have no clue of the physical cost that will incur. Sure, it would be worth it for anybody if they were guaranteed to one day go to big internationals, but for every Trusova you have literally hundreds of girls who don't make it, many will suffer permanent injury due to the current training processes. People are rewarded for the quads they produce, not the quads that will have longevity in competition.

Tuktamysheva has proven that adult girls can land quads, and if the age of senior was for example 17-18 than this would result in Dudakov etc adjusting the technique, taking time to work on the skating and building the strength before learning quads, and taking time to learn quads to ensure skater longevity. I'm not suggesting this should happen, just stating that this is what would happen if this happened. We'd see older people landing quads. It's definitely possible - take a look at any Tonya Harding or Midori Ito jump and you'd probably think it could be a quad. Alysa Liu and Sherbakova both jump a lot lower yet can get a "quad" out of it. It's just insane to wonder if there could be so many girls who destroyed themselves pushing the jumps at a young age who could have been able to do a quad if they took the time. But alas, this doesn't get rewarded so it doesn't happen. These girls are too young to really know the risks involved. Only their parents have any idea of the risks, and I don't know how well any parents explain the risks to the children - or if the children can really consent to them.

I hope to see this change, but I don't see it happening soon. At the very least, I've given the Tutberetzi fans and the Plushenko fans a mutual person to hate so it'll make a change from the back and forth stuff happening in this thread.

If saying all this makes me have to leave this thread due to everybody @ me, then so be it. If I'm a bad guy for caring about these young skaters who have to starve themselves to be able to have a competitive chance sometimes to the extent of an eating disorder(Julia Lipnitskya is just one example) then so be it.

Thank you for listening (reading), and have a nice day.

All of this for me.

I can say that thoughts are too free when you (Fried) imply that some Eteri's students are abusers. And when i ask you if i understood your post correctly, instead of simply saying "yes" or "no", you say that i don't have any logic. Yes, your thoughts and words are too free imo.

My post was in response to THAT post. Not all the things he/she is saying about Tutberidze.

Thank you for your raging post and have a nice day too.

 

[Hyena]

This thread has it all

Everything except discussions of current Russian ladies figure skating!

(I'm exaggerating and obviously I myself am somewhat guilty here.)

I'm looking forward to Valieva vs. Trusova this weekend (assuming both are there). I'm especially looking forward to seeing how the free skates have developed for each in the weeks since the test skates, since both of them were weaker in performance/interpretation compared to their short programs.

 

[Skatesocs]

Everything except discussions of current Russian ladies figure skating!

Haha. My favourite parts are the occasional descents we see into poetry, philosophy, and the advice on how to conduct oneself on a forum and life in general based off a series of misunderstood posts which apparently are enough to give people a holistic understanding of the other person behind the screen. It's absurdist comedy at its finest.

 

[JazzUp]

some of the little skaters reassured her that Eteri's really nice and that everything will go fine it made me wonder why things like that are never talked about.

because it doesn't fit with the preferred narrative?

 

[flanker]

because it doesn't fit with the preferred narrative?

They are sometimes, but it turns out it's just the symptom of a Stockholm syndrome

 

[Skatesocs]

They are sometimes, but it turns out it's just the symptom of a Stockholm syndrome

Yeah I get a lot of the concerns, but this mind reading part I've never understood...

 

[nussnacker]

No, you're wrong. its actually 196.59304859203849.

Finally someone’s measuring it properly

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Then Shcherbakova pre-rotates her flip and her lutz no less than 270 degrees.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Haha. My favourite parts are the occasional descents we see into poetry, philosophy, and the advice on how to conduct oneself on a forum and life in general based off a series of misunderstood posts which apparently are enough to give people a holistic understanding of the other person behind the screen. It's absurdist comedy at its finest.

A Lass Called Eteri​

A Limerick by Anonymous​

There once was a young lass who coached.
She liked Figure Skating and she broached.
It was rather better,
But not very bet her,
She couldn't say no to the encroached.

Ode to the Plushenko​

A Sonnet by Anonymous​

My Plushenko, you inspire me to write.
How I love the way you Coach, Jump and skate,
Invading my mind day and through the night,
Always dreaming about the clear update.

Let me compare you to a sheer crowbar?
You are more golden and more amusing.
Light storms whip the twiglets of October,
And autumntime has the funny musing.

How do I love you? Let me count the ways.
I love your top Charisma, Hair and eyes.
Thinking of your bruising Eyes fills my days.
My love for you is the brisk compromise.

Now I must away with a musing heart,
Remember my odd words whilst we're apart.

The Mishin and the TukTamysheva​

Rhyming Couplet Ideas by Anonymous​

See the Skating of the man,
I think he's angry at the plan.

He finds it hard to see the snake,
Overshadowed by the Massive cake.

Who is that Jumping near the fish?
I think she'd like to eat the dish.

She is but a Perfect girl,
Admired as she sits upon a squirrel.

Her Technical car is just a mouse,
It needs no gas, it runs on spouse.

She's not alone she brings a Coaching,
a pet Trusova, and lots of poaching.

The Trusova likes to chase a Mentor,
Especially one that's in the centre.

The man shudders at the High academic
He want to leave but she wants the vehmic.

Sambo-70 - A Haiku​

by Anon​

Dampen november
suddenly dark sambo-70 skates
into the orser

Trusova - A Tanka Poem​

by Anonymous​

Oh my Trusova
She's powerful and scary.
She has two cold styles
But one Elegant Prowess
When she skates I feel frightened

 

[Skatesocs]

Ode to the Plushenko​

A Sonnet by Anonymous​

My Plushenko, you inspire me to write.
How I love the way you Coach, Jump and skate,
Invading my mind day and through the night,
Always dreaming about the clear update.

Let me compare you to a sheer crowbar?
You are more golden and more amusing.
Light storms whip the twiglets of October,
And autumntime has the funny musing.

How do I love you? Let me count the ways.
I love your top Charisma, Hair and eyes.
Thinking of your bruising Eyes fills my days.
My love for you is the brisk compromise.

Now I must away with a musing heart,
Remember my odd words whilst we're apart.