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I agree that a rule is a rule and you should live with it.
That's true for "international" rules, but I can't stand local rules.
It's ok playing with friends to change the game and have fun, but in real competitions I don't like it at all.
At least in skating local rules could just change the result, but it won't change the skaters approach.
 
Junior or new seniors outscoring "old" seniors is an history repeat. Each time fed clearly show who they support.

- They said to Radionova that she won't ever beat Medvedeva again when they gave Medvedeva almost 80 in SP and 155 in FS at her 1st nats as senior. She got the message, if it wasn't clear enough, at euros where despite her being clean, Medvedeva with two falls beat her by 4 points.

- It was the end for Medvedeva when Zagitova got scores so high at euros that even clean Medvedeva probably couldn't have beaten her. And she never beat senior Zagitova.

- It was the end for Zagitova when rookies with ultra C stepped in the game and TP suddenly started to call her URs more often.

- Now if Valieva skate clean-ish skate after clean-ish skate it will be the end for those who were seniors before her.

If Kostornaya get her 3A back and deliver clean programs she has a chance though.

But fed shift their support probably because the next generation always has better "arguments".
Well, in my honest opinion the next generation always came with many better skills than the previous, so why not to support them :biggrin:
 
Well, the way it gets faster and faster, we might end up with young all-time-stars lasting for half-a-season and giving way to still newer, younger, more shiny, more promising, more all-time more stars....
This is nothing new. It has always been this way. I have to bring up my all time favourite Butyrskaya again. She said again and again that she had to compete with these 15 year olds all the time. The key is to never give up.

That's why I admire Tuktamysheva and Medvedeva. They don't give up. There will always be a place for them in top skating, and who knows, they might get lucky one day. Butyrskaya certainly had that "luck" in '99 when she won Worlds, the Russians didn't select Slutskaya for the world team that year so she had one fierce competitor out of the picture. Still, Butyrskaya totally deserved her World title, and she wouldn't have gotten it if she had quit at 17 years old.
 
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I must say, it was a very good competition. I also agree with the placements.

Complaining about Sasha not scoring higher based on her having a 3A doesn't make sense to me. We've seen many times before (with Rika, Liza, etc. vs others) that a nice, clean 2A with good transitions in and out is more effective points-wise than a telegraphed and/or wonky 3A.
I'm still glad that Sasha went for the 3A. She can clearly rotate it and we saw her land it in practice, so she probably just needs to get used to jumping it more in competition and I'm sure soon we'll see a clean one from her. It's crazy that Sasha seems to struggle more with triples than quads sometimes.

Also, rewatching the videos while looking at protocols, it seems to me that the calls weren't so unfair as some are saying.
Sasha's flip is a clear lip, she probably should have gotten an e call instead of just a !, Daria's lutz wasn't a clear flutz, it looks flat at most but she did one of those lutzes where the skaters twist their foot outwards rather than just bending at the ankle. But generally skaters who do this usually don't get any calls, so I don't see how Daria not getting called here is a proof of special corruption.

Overall, I would say that Kamila and Daria here were squaky clean, all level 4's, close to perfect, while the others made some mistakes.
If Sasha had also been clean and we still had these scores, I would be surprised, but she wasn't.

Kamila's PCS are very high, I would have had her much closer to Daria and Sasha in this aspect.
But RusFed isn't the only federation who showers their chosen top skater with generous PCS, so I don't get the complaints about that either.
 
I've said already in the competition thread that I think Sasha and esp. Stanislava were underscored
I cannot agree with this. I know Stasya's insane speed as her visiting card. I did not feel this speed today. Well, it may look different on the screen. What is even more important - all her jumps looked URed in slow-mo. Hence, she should be happy with the score that she received. If all her jumps were called the result would be only a bit better han that of one "poor" skater from Armenia. TAT gave the reason for that - her idea is that Stasya has to drop some kilos. Then her jumps will be OK. No comment from my side - just reposting TAT.
 
How depressing is it that getting "internet famous" within this fandom is not about who is knowledgable and offers the most insightful comments, but rather about who can repeat the fandom's favorite talking points the loudest in the most snarky and hysterical way possible.

Good ol' Koala King at least had some value to offer by uploading slow-mo clips that we could slow down further, putting us closer to the dream of watching all Russian lady jump entrances at 0.00000000001x speed.
 
How depressing is it that getting "internet famous" within this fandom is not about who is knowledgable and offers the most insightful comments, but rather about who can repeat the fandom's favorite talking points the loudest in the most snarky and hysterical way possible.
Fran's comments are neither snarky nor hysterical. Just plain basic. It's all the more confusing.
 
Agree that the thread mostly lacks coherence, constructive discussion, and generally seems ill-humoured. And I do mean about the thread in general. Or I guess, the skating fandom at large. Either you're a hater, or, well, whatever else.

Was much more pleasant a few years ago. Unfortunate. I don't think it can be fixed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can't remember you being here a few tears ago. I assume you were someone else back then....
 
On a slightly unrelated note but something that caught my attention again today: Someone has to teach these coaches how to wear their masks properly. If your nose isn‘t covered you might as well not wear one at all! Other than the coaches of Team Tutberidze, I didn‘t see a lot of responsible ones in this regard. Imo, that‘s just unnecessarily risky - how hard can it possibly be to put that thing over your nose?!

TAT gave the reason for that - her idea is that Stasya has to drop some kilos. Then her jumps will be OK.

TAT should shut her mouth. I hope neither Stasya nor any of the other ladies listen to such dangerous “advice“.
 
Well, I guess I’ll give my thoughts too!
I see the vision for Kamila’a SP much more than I did during the test skates. At test skates, her program seemed like a subpar version of Anna’s new SP, and not performed to the same standard either. However I didn’t feel like it was a subpar or lesser version than anything else now. I think this was the best impression I’ve ever gotten from Kamila. I strongly dislike her 3T technique, but all of her jumps were squeaky clean, spins were great, and I saw quite a few musical moments from her, which I haven’t seen much of before. Still, I think there’s a lot of stiffness in her body despite her incredible flexibility, and she often has choppy steps and choreography that isn’t executed very well. It’s so strange to see Kamila’s skating skills being compared to someone like Aliona, who (to me) is leagues above her. I don’t even think Kamila has the best skating skills, and certainly not performance quality, of her competitors at this competition. Nonetheless, it was a beautiful program. I would’ve had her first or second and probably would’ve had a 3+ gap between her and Trusova regardless.

I really like Daria. I’ve really liked her for over a year now. I’m really, really unimpressed with Daniil’s music and choreography for her. I don’t understand. She has beautiful steps, incredible lines, ease and fluidity throughout her entire body— in all of her steps and choreography. Beautiful spins and that spiral transition was so difficult, so beautifully executed, just absolutely to die for. On the other hand, I’m still angry about the 2A transitions this season. She had a beautiful entry and exit last season. Difficult and beautifully executed, and they changed it to one that is just simply not aesthetically pleasing, or as impressive. I just cannot understand the vision for her. She’s light, lyrical, quite musical. While I think she performed what she was given extremely well, it’s very obvious that her program was NOT crafted with the same thoughtfulness or care that Kamila, or Anna’s, or 3A in the past, are/were. It’s a huge detriment to her because she has enough strengths to be neck and neck, and even ahead of Kamila in many areas, but the quality of what she was given is just so much lower that it cannot happen. I would’ve had Daria first or second today. Maybe around 75-77 for both Kamila and Daria.

With Sasha, I can’t argue with her scores. Her PCS are still too high. She’s improved a lot, she’s finishing her lines and holding out pretty lines SO much better now. It’s crazy how fast Sasha has went from Fed favorite to being one of the most reasonably scored competitors. With her content, I won’t underestimate her ability to comeback. I think she just needs one or two competitions to get a positive narrative (and therefore politics) on her side.

It was really nice to see Stasya perform well. She looked beautiful as ever and is obviously still working very hard.

This portion of the competition could’ve only been more entertaining with a well trained Zhenya. What on earth would the judges have done with a well trained Zhenya that’s back with Eteri? The possibilities are endless. Wishing for a speedy recovery for the two-time world champion so we can hopefully have this reality soon. ;)
 
If every skater had their strengths and weaknesses called fairly, we'd probably get better competitions and skaters wouldn't get so confused/frustrated at their marks
I wonder what that parallel world look like.
 
I must say, it was a very good competition. I also agree with the placements.

Complaining about Sasha not scoring higher based on her having a 3A doesn't make sense to me. We've seen many times before (with Rika, Liza, etc. vs others) that a nice, clean 2A with good transitions in and out is more effective points-wise than a telegraphed and/or wonky 3A.
I'm still glad that Sasha went for the 3A. She can clearly rotate it and we saw her land it in practice, so she probably just needs to get used to jumping it more in competition and I'm sure soon we'll see a clean one from her. It's crazy that Sasha seems to struggle more with triples than quads sometimes.

Also, rewatching the videos while looking at protocols, it seems to me that the calls weren't so unfair as some are saying.
Sasha's flip is a clear lip, she probably should have gotten an e call instead of just a !, Daria's lutz wasn't a clear flutz, it looks flat at most but she did one of those lutzes where the skaters twist their foot outwards rather than just bending at the ankle. But generally skaters who do this usually don't get any calls, so I don't see how Daria not getting called here is a proof of special corruption.

Overall, I would say that Kamila and Daria here were squaky clean, all level 4's, close to perfect, while the others made some mistakes.
If Sasha had also been clean and we still had these scores, I would be surprised, but she wasn't.

Kamila's PCS are very high, I would have had her much closer to Daria and Sasha in this aspect.
But RusFed isn't the only federation who showers their chosen top skater with generous PCS, so I don't get the complaints about that either.
Totally agree with this. Sometimes we forget that a 3A is a very risky business. Most ladies that do 3A's only land them 50/50 at best. I think we all got a bit spoiled by Kostornaia last year. She didn't fall on her 3A once, which in itself was incredible. She had it called underrotated 3 times though (and she was a bit lucky it wasn't more often) and in those cases the value of the 3A dropped sharply. But as she did three 3A's in her programs we kind of forget that, we only remember her clean 3A's.

But overall, 3A's are superhard, and to see someone land them as consistently as Kostornaia did last season, we might never see again, perhaps not even by Kostornaia herself.
 
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