2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[anonymoose_au]

I agree about the lip today, it was quite clear in the replays and I thought that it was a lip even before Grishin confirmed it. But claiming that it's because of Plushenko..... I mean.... Come on

Didn't you get the memo? Plushy's the root of all evil.

Funny how Sasha got so low balled despite him having all this power and connections. I dare say it looks like some people were lying about that.

 

[Yuna Luna]

Really? I don't recall that. Do you remember what competitions it was?

Yeah, the first time I noticed she had an outside edge was in her SP at Rostelecom. There were others too (I think Nepela Trophy?) but I don’t remember which ones exactly, I might check later though. Also, even before that season, Sasha got an edge call for her Flip in the FS at JWC 2019. But I think that was the only time she was officially called until now, the others were uncalled.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Yes, the Plushenko exposure got me a bit confused at times, I think it was when Shulskaya was skating they showed Plushenko the whole time. I was thinking, is he her coach?

Isn't she coached by the Russian king of beauty Sergei Rozanov?

 

[Jontor]

I agree about the lip today, it was quite clear in the replays and I thought that it was a lip even before Grishin confirmed it. But claiming that it's because of Plushenko..... I mean.... Come on

I didn't claim that it is Plushenko's fault. I said I didn't know and I don't understand it. The whole Lip thing is odd to me.

But as Yuna Luna said, she had the Lip already last year. I am going to re-watch Sasha and see if I can spot it.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Yeah, the one where I first noticed she had an outside edge was in her SP at Rostelecom. There were others too (I think Nepela Trophy?) but I don’t remember which ones exactly, I might check later though. Also, even before that season, Sasha got an edge call for her Flip in the FS at JWC 2019. But I think that was the only time she was officially called until now, the others were uncalled.

I do not mind lip as much as flutz and flatedged lutz. Especially that jumping with outside edge is much harder than with flat or inside edge. I think flip is my least favourite jump right now.

 

[esteticlove]

I also don't like the extra window on the screen for the coaches. IF it is that necessary, they could at least place it somewhere in the upper part of the screen and not take up from the "ice" space..

 

[dunffvanstorn]

It is true though. Sasha never had a Lip before, now she has. It's very strange. I don't know if that is just a coaching thing or something she naturally has fallen into.

We'll see tomorrow how her Flips goes, maybe she will even try a 4F?

O actually checked her Rostelecom SP last year, and she definitely had a lip. Hard to see, at the last moment change of edge, but a lip indeed.

 

[nussnacker]

I agree about the lip today, it was quite clear in the replays and I thought that it was a lip even before Grishin confirmed it. But claiming that it's because of Plushenko..... I mean.... Come on

I think her ankle always goes to bend outwards, but last year she used to tilt her body more in the direction of the rotation to avoid a lip. This year she’s going more straight into her flip, which causes a more obvious lip.

 

[Jontor]

Yeah, the first time I noticed she had an outside edge was in her SP at Rostelecom. There were others too (I think Nepela Trophy?) but I don’t remember which ones exactly, I might check later though. Also, even before that season, Sasha got an edge call for her Flip in the FS at JWC 2019. But I think that was the only time she was officially called until now, the others were uncalled.

Interesting. I checked SP Rostelecom and it was indeed not an inside edge. But outside? I would have given her the benefit of a doubt and given her an !. The Lip was much clearer today though, but still, I think the judges did the right thing and only gave her the !

 

[Lunalovesskating]

It is true though. Sasha never had a Lip before, now she has. It's very strange. I don't know if that is just a coaching thing or something she naturally has fallen into.

We'll see tomorrow how her Flips goes, maybe she will even try a 4F?

She always had the tendency to Lip. Especially her 4F had a deep outside edge. Her 3F edge always changed, sometimes flat, sometimes outside. I remember posting screenshots here last season and people accused me of faking the photos now suddenly people see the Lip after her coaching change

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

O actually checked her Rostelecom SP last year, and she definitely had a lip. Hard to see, at the last moment change of edge, but a lip indeed.

After watching million times Anna's lutz with flat edge in slow motion, I do not think I mind any lip. I like outside edges a lot.

 

[nussnacker]

She always had the tendency to Lip. Especially her 4F had a deep outside edge. Her 3F edge always changed, sometimes flat, sometimes outside. I remember posting screenshots here last season and people accused me of faking the photos

I remember I said that the photo was tilted, because the line of the boards was indeed going upwards. Which you can interpret as accusation of faking, but I thought it’s not wrong to point out screenshots causing inaccuracies. That’s the thing though, she would have a tendency to bend her ankle, but it didn’t always cause a lip, because she would also twist her body to give it a better inside edge. At least I don’t think it was one.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Wow so suddenly Sasha can't jump a flip? That's amazing!

I love how people claimed that the Eteri bonus was fake, clearly it's not.

So where's all the horrible comments accusing her of paying off the Fed and having some secret power over them or being in the Mafia.

You said it about Plushy so have at it with Eteri.

 

[Yuna Luna]

Interesting. I checked SP Rostelecom and it was indeed not an inside edge. But outside? I would have given her the benefit of a doubt and given her an !. The Lip was much clearer today though, but still, I think the judges did the right thing and only gave her the !

Yes, it’s not as obvious like the one from today, I too would only give it “!”. Also, I’ve just been told that apparently Sasha was a natural Lipper in her early days but then corrected it with her old coach Volkov. So maybe it’s just coming back now? Similar to how Alina corrected her Flutz with Eteri, but then it regressed again when she grew after Olympics.

 

[nussnacker]

Wow so suddenly Sasha can't jump a flip? That's amazing!

I love how people claimed that the Eteri bonus was fake, clearly it's not.

So where's all the horrible comments accusing her of paying off the Fed and having some secret power over them or being in the Mafia.

You said it about Plushy so have at it with Eteri.

https://ibb.co/nCZHC64

 

[Jontor]

Wow so suddenly Sasha can't jump a flip? That's amazing!

I love how people claimed that the Eteri bonus was fake, clearly it's not.

So where's all the horrible comments accusing her of paying off the Fed and having some secret power over them or being in the Mafia.

You said it about Plushy so have at it with Eteri.

Come on, don't be so dramatic. We are just trying to analyze her ! call she got today. That's allowed, isn't it? And for the record, I agree with the '!' not an 'e'.

And as someone said, she had that ! call before, it's nothing new.

I think Nussnacker explained a reasonably good theory, so what's the problem?

 

[Scott512]

Aliona is an exquisite skater. It is just weird to make such a comparison between her and Kamila, since their skating in particular is very similar. They have both big jumps with long coverage, easy transitions in and out, skating skills on par. Kamila probably better at one foot skating, Aliona at edges and gliding. Both have very good spins. So, your association might have sounded cool but in reality is a really bad joke..

More like he's trying but if you look at the scores, nothing is going to change regardless. I feel for him and for Sasha cause let's be clear here:

Sasha IS trying the 3A, Kamila Valieva is NOT!

Sasha has a better lutz than Kamila and yet undervalued with the russian panel.

At the end of the day it is very disrespectful for the athlete who IS working on these components, while also including ALL the hardest elements, but a random skater from that other group will always be in front even with a 2a, or a flutz with full blade on the "supposed toe pick".

Eteri fans are pretending everything is a disaster with Plushenko, and yet Sasha almost landed the 3A, an element she never landed in competition last season.

As a fan of Figure Skating it makes the sport more and more uninteresting: rules are not applied, scores are so arbitrary you can go for 10-20 points higher bv and still lose if the judges decide you have to. That very much goes against the principles of a sport.

The girls know how superb and well-rounded Kamila is. They've known she's been coming for over a year. Now she's here and everyone has to deal with it including Sasha and aliona. They know better than anyone how good this girl is. My guess is the Russian figure skating Federation knows this as well.

But Kamila

I can't sleep and it's 3am...

All I can think is that they've deliberately set up Sasha to fail.

The only way she can win is to do ALL her quads and a 3A. This will ruin her free and let's face it she's not ready to land them all.

So she won't, but she'll want to try and then when she can't the Fed will say "See, she can't do all these elements, and she has no program, no way can she be at the top."

Plus imagine how Sasha must feel right now? How can she possibly skate her best? I wouldn't feel like going anywhere near a pair of ice skates if I were her.

You're being much too negative.

Sasha always controls her destiny with her free skate she did it with TT and she will have the same scenario at PA.

but Kamila is a different challenge for Sasha and even Anna and Aliona. Has any country ever had for such phenomenal girls within a couple years of each other in the same discipline? Yes Russia has with. 4a. Now there are more Russian girls coming and then after that more girls coming and the frankly need more spots available in the major competitions then just three.

Sure I think the Federation put Valleva with Sasha to bother Sasha because the Federation probably wasn't happy she changed coaches after Sasha became the best Junior girl ever under TT. Kamila does not have the immense weight of unbelievable expectations the way Sasha does at this point in their careers. But I think you and others are overreacting to today's results and scoring. People (judges,) are rightfully wowed by KV the new kid on the TT block. But Sasha can slay her if she hits her free skate.

No matter what happens tomorrow it's not Nationals or worlds or Europeans or Olympics.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Come on, don't be so dramatic. We are just trying to analyze her ! call she got today. That's allowed, isn't it? And for the record, I agree with the '!' not an 'e'.

And as someone said, she had that ! call before, it's nothing new.

I think Nussnacker explained a reasonably good theory, so what's the problem?

The problem is those are the same people who praised Sasha before, when she was with Eteri, but now she's not it's open season.

I'm also still angry at all the crap that was flung at Plushy about being a fake coach who pays off the Fed and skaters parents to get results when it was clearly a big fat lie. And we all know that lying is the. Worst. Possible. Thing.

Worse than being a homophobic bigot like Yagudin or a body shaming hypocrite like T. Tarasova.

 

[Skatesocs]

Wouldn't say CoR was a lip - (!). Here it was. Will be fixed as she gets more comfortable with the technique, the actual jump is more effortless.

After watching million times Anna's lutz with flat edge in slow motion, I do not think I mind any lip. I like outside edges a lot.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Exactly. I had forgotten about Kwan. She was reaaaaally slow.

This is not entirely the truth. Slow in comparison with whom?
I saw her skate live several, several times— and while not the fastest, she certainly wasn’t slow.

please stop spreading false facts just to try and hold other skaters up. It’s not very becoming