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2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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No, Trusova got more than her international seasons best from last year. And that with severe mistakes.
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Without the bonus points Kamila’s still hitting 82 points which is still higher than any woman besides Rika and Alyona have hit internationally and both of them required flawless programs with triple axels to pass that (and Rika’s had multiple clean short programs and only broken 82 twice). Kamila’s good but she’s not that good.
Sasha scored about what she would’ve internationally with her performance here. Even taking away the bonus points (which shouldn’t be a thing anyway) Kamila and Daria scored significantly higher than they would’ve internationally. They’re benefiting from inflation where Sasha is not. Personally I think domestic competitions should try to avoid inflating scores but if you’re going to inflate some it needs to be across the board.
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Trusova’s score isn’t the main problem and is pretty accurate; it’s that her score was reasonable and Kamila and Daria’s (even excluding bonus points) were not.
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About half a point higher than her best international score last season. She received 71.45 internationally with a fall on a far worse 3A at GPF. She didn't fall on this 3A, it was fully rotated, her other jumps looked great, her PCS has improved. Russia gave her no help. Her score was fair, but her competitors here and Anna last week were scored by a different, far more generous standard.
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Look here, I think Sasha's score is definitely reasonable (maybe even a little lower if you gave the 3F an "e" call), and I don't think the reason why people are so angry is because she was underscored (because again, she was not). But the issue is that Kami and Dasha were overscored, and taking away spin bonuses doesn't change the fact that Kami's protocol was full of 4s and 5s, with most of her PCS scores being above 9.25, nor the fact that Dasha's flutz went uncalled, again.
I agree that inflating scores at home is not good for the skaters in the long run. The Japanese don't do this, on the contrary they are almost too harsh with their skaters. I think though overall that Russia is inflating, but not that much (hey US I am thinking of you).
I think, if the RusFed has an agenda with Sasha it's this - "skate clean and we will give you the points." That's my take from today's competition.
Most people forget that Anna, Kamila and Daria are coming off previous season's that were perceived to be successful which usually means a boost in PCS and sometimes less pickiness on edges/urs by judges. Aleksandra on the other hand is coming off a season that was considered underperforming and nowhere near expectations and that never helps when entering a new season. And in terms of politics they also are coached by the #1 ladies coach in the world and she is by someone who is more famous for their own skating career rather then as a coach. So they have momentum and she doesn't and the scores are reflecting that.
As for Kamila and Daria smashing their international scores from last season don't forget the fact those scores were from junior competition and this was a senior (and on top of that a national competition). On their own that makes a difference but combined even bigger
As for Kamila and Daria smashing their international scores from last season don't forget the fact those scores were from junior competition and this was a senior (and on top of that a national competition). On their own that makes a difference but combined even bigger
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People are saying Sasha scored higher than she had been scored internationally last year but like... can you not see the improvement in PCS? If she improves why shouldn't she get higher scores? Is that not how scoring works? Besides, a step-out on 3A is still worth more than a pretty generous GOE-d 2A, so you're argument there doesn't work.
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Russia, Canada and the USA are all terrible at inflating scores. ( also France and Italy if you want to talk about smaller federations) I don't like inflation. I think the Japanese do it right. The real issue though is that you need to be equal in your inflation. The USA federation inflates the scores of Nathan Chen, Jason Brown etc... basically everyone. Do it for everyone, or do it for no one.So far only Anna, Daria, and Kamilia have got the benefit of crazy inflation.
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and that is the problem. Why should they be less picky just because someone is successful? That's blatant bias right there and that's unfair towards everyone else. How are others supposed to surpass them if they are being pegged down because of their flaws while the judges just turn a blind eye to certain skaters? Then won't the same people always be overscored and underscored? Scores are a reflection of the performance, not the reputation of a skater and CERTAINLY NOT the reputation of their coach! Those factors should not be considered when scoring.
Small correction, Alina's also hit 82 points! (Worlds 2019 SP)
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Actually, two seasons ago everyone was saying that she'd probably retire because of injury before she even reached the senior level. If Sasha is clean she should win because of the sheer technical and athletic ability shown, but again, if she's not clean then everyone should have a chance. It's not a "narrative", it's being supported by evidence. Maybe there's another explanation, but from what I've seen with Tutberidze skaters scoring and non-Tutberidze skaters scoring (not even just Sasha, Frolova and Stasya too)... RusFed just isn't interested in giving them more than (or even exactly what) they deserve.
And fun fact, just because Sasha isn't unbeatable doesn't mean she hasn't made history through landing quads and pushing others to do the same. (
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My bad, I tried to erase Saitama from my memory lol
Still, this was the reigning Olympic gold medalist at Worlds with very generous judging. Not a junior.
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*cough* Maia got it too on her short
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her bronze is still upsetting me and my home girls.
Except Aleksandra herself benefitted all of that "unfairness" and "bias" last season too. She got the higher marks she never would have gotten otherwise simply because of her success as a junior and the media hype she carried with her. And some fans of other skaters could claim last season exactly as you are claiming now. If Aleksandra had been more successful last season her marks, with the same performance she gave, would have been higher but she didn't and therefore is still at square one. This is nothing new, its something that has been happening, in all disciplines, for ages. It's not fair but that's the game of judged sport. It's always been a momentum game
Kamila and Daria are getting the reception now that Aleksandra got last season. If their marks are higher then hers were last year it's because they performed better and rules changed. If they don't perform well this season then their marks likely flatline just as Aleksandra's has so far.
Yes, she scored 2.20 on that 3A at GPF, and now she scored 5.60. That's 3.40 more. Yes she didn't fall, it was fully rotated, but it was a very bad landing. Do you think that she should have gotten more than +3.40 for this 3A? She scored 12.71 for the same combination at GPF, here it was 13.23. She lost 0.87 on the Flip compared to GPF because of the '!'. Had that been internationally she probably would have lost 1.5-2 points. She had the same level on the StepSeq at GPF but still they gave her more GOE here. She didn't have a spin violation at GPF so she lost abt 1 point here. Her PCS was 2 points higher than at GPF,
No, I fail to see that Sasha was jugded "internationally" while the others weren't.
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You are right. Which does call into question the "momentum" argument doesn't it? Since Maia is never clean. (She is a favorite skater of mine, I really love her- but consistent and successful internationally doesn't really apply does it? ) Yet, she still benefited from inflation.
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