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Far too much time wasted on flip and lutz edges. They should be considered as one jump. The fact that you can land either jump from the entrance of the other is already problematic. The only distinction is a split second moment where the edges can be recognize and many times its not even clear. An absolute waste of time and effort because I honestly do not know skaters who have strong and clear edges in both jumps. Certainly not self-crowned Sochi champion Haha! and neither does double Olympic champion in the men's.
Id say Nathan Chen has the best edges overall right now (but even he occasionally does a lip. Sometimes he gets it right though. I actually felt his edge used to be better on the flip than it is now). I feel Plushenko / Yagudin had good edges despite the prerotation, but it's from so long ago I can't remember. I also think Patrick Chan had good edges on both jumps but can't remember. In terms of ladies, Tonya Harding seemed to have a decent edge in the past.

Combining the jumps might mess up the Zyak rule, but I also think people should be rewarded if they have the level of control required to do both. Tuktamysheva does both nicely I think, as did Carolina Kostner . Rika has an alright flip edge and a very strong Lutz edge.
 
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Not knowing these kind of comments will only hurt Trusova's chances in case the judges doubt over something that didn't go 100%?

Oh, man.. Plushy should stop. It's their first official competition as a team and they already complain about the judging... It's always someone else's fault for not living up to the expectations. This attitude is not good for the mindset of Sasha as his student. They have to work hard on fixing the problems. Once you show a mistake-free skate you can claim for big points. And eventually then complain for hammered scores..
 
Well the hype was pretty ridiculous. I remember when back after 2018 junior worlds when she landed 2 quads that this was some accomplishment that was never going to be equaled, then she was supposed to be jumping 5 quads per program, learn 4Axel, outjump the boys etc. so I think she indeed has not lived up to the hype. That's of course not exactly a fault of her but moreso the fault of there being way too much hype for her at the time. She must have suffered mentally from the need to meet these expectations, which probably lead to her poor last season.
I disagree that Sasha had not lived up to the hype. She's not a one hit wonder. She landed that first quad then continued to add quads as promised. She's consistent with 3 or so quads. She has skated a clean 4 quad program. She added a 3A. She worked towards 5 quads and she does outjump many of the boys.

If people expected her to be super human then that's their problem.
 
I disagree that Sasha had not lived up to the hype. She's not a one hit wonder. She landed that first quad then continued to add quads as promised. She's consistent with 3 or so quads. She has skated a clean 4 quad program. She added a 3A. She worked towards 5 quads and she does outjump many of the boys.

If people expected her to be super human then that's their problem.
But it's her fans who claim that she is super human and that everybody else should just give up :unsure:
And why exactly is "outjumping the boys" used as some sort of argument, to make her look better? Just because you are a man, this doesn't mean everything is automatically easier for you and that being a girl automatically means " weak". Everybody has the same chances to be good/ bad at something :shrug:
 
Combining the jumps might mess up the Zyak rule, but I also think people should be rewarded if they have the level of control required to do both. Tuktamysheva does both nicely I think, as did Carolina Kostner . Rika has an alright flip edge and a very strong Lutz edge.
Agree. Part of the reason flip and lutz are difficult because you have to take off from the edge. If you take away the edge requirement, the jumps will be easier and should not be given the same BV. It is difficult to do both correctly but the skaters who do should be rewarded. Rika does it correctly on both jumps. Carolina and Yuna (after fixing her lip) did too. Chen has correct edges. (I don't think Tuk has a good flip ... her lutz is beautiful). Trusova used to have correct edges on both jumps, I think she can correct her lip again with proper attention. Lips are easier to fix than flutzes.
 
But it's her fans who claim that she is super human and that everybody else should just give up :unsure:
And why exactly is "outjumping the boys" used as some sort of argument, to make her look better? Just because you are a man, this doesn't mean everything is automatically easier for you and that being a girl automatically means " weak". Everybody has the same chances to be good/ bad at something :shrug:

Many of those fans are the exact people who are now saying she was overhyped, since yes Tutberidze was the one promoting that kind of messaging ("practice and pray" right?) so before it was all good, now it's no longer because she changed coach.

 
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Idk, as I already mentioned yesterday I don't think that Sasha's problem is the coaching team. I find Plushenko fitting for her because they share a similar mindset and also he is an excellent technician. They are just starting the season together and you can already see positive changes. The troubled spins, reduced levels on steps can be fixed easily, they just have to pay attention to this. I am sure that she is capable of throwing a clean multiple-quad program, but she has to cope with the pressure. I still see her a superstar and wouldnt say that she is dropped by the Federation... For what I understand, people sound as if they want special treatment on a skater despite their mistakes? Team Plushenko needs to just keep working and working and working, both on the skating and the psychological part. Not go to the media and cry about "unfair judging", blaming other teams for whatever you like etc... This is harmful to the skaters, because they get the impression it is not their fault, but when you do mistakes in competitions, you have to re-analyze why this happened.
 
But it's her fans who claim that she is super human and that everybody else should just give up :unsure:
And why exactly is "outjumping the boys" used as some sort of argument, to make her look better? Just because you are a man, this doesn't mean everything is automatically easier for you and that being a girl automatically means " weak". Everybody has the same chances to be good/ bad at something :shrug:
I used "outjump the boys" as an argument because OP used it as an example of the hype.

But in this case, I do think it applies because it has been scientifically proven that men build muscle much more easily than women do due to having more testosterone. That doesn't mean women are automatically weak (there are other types of strength that are not physical which are just as important) but it means that if they are as physically strong as athletic men, then they've worked incredibly hard to get there and that is a testament to their strong will.
 


this costume still looks very nice on Aleksandra, but she almost has outgrown it, in a year?
 
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Oh my God this is hilarious, they took that move that Zhenya does in her free as a transition out of the 3Lz for Kamila. I always thought it was a stellar move and would be copied next year, but not this soon. :rofl:
This move is not new for Kamila.
 
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