2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Vlad Karigov]

Last season Sasha's StSq was level 4 internationally, this year it's level 3 nationally. Big improvement.
Choreography is of great legacy -

And it will soon be level 2, really ridiculous, that's what happens when you are trained by a publicist who only knows about shows of ice and nothing more... not even the biggest fan of Plushenko can defend this, Trusova is supposed to be Juliet or Shakespeare himself, so what does this reggaeton dance movement have to do with the skating of R&J. According to the sectarian fans, Sasha is not Juliet, of course, now she is surely playing a cabaret girl, only that explains that senseless dance in the program.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

And it will soon be level 2, really ridiculous, that's what happens when you are trained by a publicist who only knows about shows of ice and nothing more... not even the biggest fan of Plushenko can defend this, Trusova is supposed to be Juliet or Shakespeare himself, so what does this reggaeton dance movement have to do with the skating of R&J. According to the sectarian fans, Sasha is not Juliet, of course, now she is surely playing a cabaret girl, only that explains that senseless dance in the program.

That's not how step sequence levels work. You don't lose levels for hip movement.

I'm personally uncomfortable with this due to Sasha being so young and her being uncomfortable with this. I'd be perfectly fine for Tuktamysheva to do this movement, but I think it's a little inappropriate for a teenager.

 

[readernick]

That's not how step sequence levels work. You don't lose levels for hip movement.

I'm personally uncomfortable with this due to Sasha being so young and her being uncomfortable with this. I'd be perfectly fine for Tuktamysheva to do this movement, but I think it's a little inappropriate for a teenager.

Agree. It isn't appropriate. I hope it is removed from the program. Although, it probably isn't as bad as all the junior kids who skate to Big Spender (a song that is about prostitution). Or, Ne me quitte pas the background of which really makes it super inappropriate for kids. Or, Moulin Rouge. I wish coaches were more careful about this stuff.

 

[kmw227]

In other news, Berestovskaya and Muravyeva both skated beautiful short programs and are sitting in 1st and 2nd, respectively. Congrats to them!

 

[Ziotic]

She is still the same one dimensional one note skater she had been. She certainly came here with something to prove but still ended up with another jumping program nobody cares about after the scores are announced. The novelty of quads and 3A are over. It's about time she puts some effort in her other elements. When your a multiple quad skater, multiple JWC winner and established star but still getting outshine by a junior skater with no quad or 3a that's a failure on your part. The quads can only get you so far. Captivating the audience is another thing. She certainly did not own the rink today with that performance. And talking about PCS manipulation, Sasha's 70+ is a brilliant example.

I mean... your user name kinda lends to how biased you are.

 

[Amei]

Agree. It isn't appropriate. I hope it is removed from the program. Although, it probably isn't as bad as all the junior kids who skate to Big Spender (a song that is about prostitution). Or, Ne me quitte pas the background of which really makes it super inappropriate for kids. Or, Moulin Rouge. I wish coaches were more careful about this stuff.

I agree there are some movements that I feel is inappropriate for some of the ages I've seen doing them and just straight up tacky looking regardless of the age demographic doing it. Music is a bit different though Big Spender the lyrics yes has some inappropriate lyrics but Moulin Rouge isn't blanket inappropriate music, very little of the lyrics from the soundtrack have inappropriate references. It's like Shcherbakova's SP music last year to Perfume the story of a murderer soundtrack people were claiming it was age inappropriate music for her to use, I found that to be ridiculous there was no lyrics or movement on her part that referenced the storyline of the movie

 

[trkvy]

The thing is not about it's appropriate or not for a kid. The thing is it's inaproppriate in this R&J program.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

At this moments, her quads looks weaker than at this time of last season - only 4T stable left, 3Lz-3Lo wasn't landed, spins and stsq are worse, less transitions, fs dress is from last season, choreo is so plushy. I wouldn't call it 'improved'.

Spins worse? Sasha got several Level 3s on her spins last season, nothing has changed.. Daria also got a Level 3 on her FCSp is she a bad skater now? No. Things like that happen. Sasha's Step Sequence also received a Level 2 and many Level 3s last season (Anna S. got several Level 3s too last season btw), so nothing changed and levels are lost quickly. Her 3Lz+3Lo has been an issue since her second junior season, even Team Tut could not fix that in two seasons, so you expect Plush to do it in a few months ? So in conclusion no she has not gotten worse on StSq nor spins nor in her 3Lz+3Lo, it is the same as last season. I would welcome it if people would check protocols from last season before making such bold claims. Last season it was always the judges faults when Sasha and Anna got Level 3s on their StSqs now suddenly it is Plushenko's fault. Funny.

 

[JazzUp]

ОK, so this sexy hip moves reflect evil fate as Plushenko see it.

I've amended your post a bit, think it reflects the situation more.

Oh, and poor Gnome (Gnom Gnomych is Sasha Plyushenko's nickname) couldn't escape that evil fate too, by the way:


Plyushenko:"Taste, aesthetics? Nope, never heard of them."

 

[trkvy]

Spins worse? Sasha got several Level 3s on her spins last season, nothing has changed.. Daria also got a Level 3 on her FCSp is she a bad skater now? No. Things like that happen. Sasha's Step Sequence also received a Level 2 and many Level 3s last season (Anna S. got several Level 3s too last season btw), so nothing changed and levels are lost quickly. Her 3Lz+3Lo has been an issue since her second junior season, even Team Tut could not fix that in two seasons, so you expect Plush to do it in a few months ? So in conclusion no she has not gotten worse on StSq nor spins nor in her 3Lz+3Lo, it is the same as last season. I would welcome it if people would check protocols from last season before making such bold claims. Last season it was always the judges faults when Sasha and Anna got Level 3s on their StSqs now suddenly it is Plushenko's fault. Funny.

Plushenko had enough time to make Sasha's flip edge flat or even wrong, so I believe in him.

 

[flanker]

I mean... your user name kinda lends to how biased you are.

Thanks for Plushyfans objectivity, then
(sorry, I couldn't)

 

[plushyfan]

Thanks for Plushyfans objectivity, then :ROFL:
(sorry, I couldn't)

We are all biased. Aren't you?

 

[plushyfan]

I've amended your post a bit, think it reflects the situation more.

Oh, and poor Gnome (Gnom Gnomych is Sasha Plyushenko's nickname) couldn't escape that evil fate too, by the way:
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Plyushenko:"Taste, aesthetics? Nope, never heard of them."

I agree that is awful

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Plushenko had enough time to make Sasha's flip edge flat or even wrong, so I believe in him.

Sasha's Flip always had the tendency to be outside. There are enough clips of her Flip from last season where she had an outside edge or flat edge. Next, please. So now we have covered Stsq, Spins, 3Lz+3Lo and Flip. What else do you want me to refute?
I have time and the protocols ready can even provide video footage.

By the way, a quick statistic from last season:

Out of 12 StSqs performed last season Anna had 6 Level 3s, 1 Level 2 and 5 Level 4s.
Out of 13 Stqs performed last season Sasha had 6 Level 3s, 1 Level 2 and 6 Level 4s.

But Sasha's Level 3 StSq at RC is somehow only Plushenko's fault? I can also provide you with the number of amounts that Sasha and Anna got Level 3s on their spins last season

 

[plushyfan]

Plushenko has better hip action.

of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtlWGX_CfFg sexy and I know it

read the comments, please..

 

[plushyfan]

Sasha's Flip always had the tendency to be outside. There are enough clips of her Flip from last season where she had an outside edge or flat edge. Next, please. So now we have covered Stsq, Spins, 3Lz+3Lo and Flip. What else do you want me to refute?
I have time and the protocols ready can even provide video footage.

By the way, a quick statistic from last season:

Out of 12 StSqs performed last season Anna had 6 Level 3s, 1 Level 2 and 5 Level 4s.
Out of 13 Stqs performed last season Sasha had 6 Level 3s, 1 Level 2 and 6 Level 4s.

But Sasha's Level 3 StSq at RC is somehow only Plushenko's fault? I can also provide you with the number of amounts that Sasha and Anna got Level 3s on their spins last season

Tarasova said Sasha's level 3 was mistake...she sad she will talk with the judges...

 

[trkvy]

So now we have covered Stsq, Spins, 3Lz+3Lo and Flip. What else do you want me to refute?

You refuted nothing. Stsq at EuCh was level 4, now it's level 3, 4Lz was bad, no 4S at all, 3Lz+3Lo wasn't landed (warm-ups doesn't count of course), flip wasn't marked '!' last season even once, now it is twice in one competition, programs are afwul and empty and don't fit her at all, jump entries are simplified, less transitions of course.

 

[elbkup]

I agree there are some movements that I feel is inappropriate for some of the ages I've seen doing them and just straight up tacky looking regardless of the age demographic doing it. Music is a bit different though Big Spender the lyrics yes has some inappropriate lyrics but Moulin Rouge isn't blanket inappropriate music, very little of the lyrics from the soundtrack have inappropriate references. It's like Shcherbakova's SP music last year to Perfume the story of a murderer soundtrack people were claiming it was age inappropriate music for her to use, I found that to be ridiculous there was no lyrics or movement on her part that referenced the storyline of the movie

Great example tho I will say that Perfume is one of the most shivery, atmospheric music pieces in existence and Anna does these SO beautifully..

 

[Edwin]

Thanks for Plushyfans objectivity, then
(sorry, I couldn't)

Its good to see the great Yevgeniy Viktorovich still has a solid base of fawning fangirls and gushing groupies to rely on.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

You refuted nothing. Stsq at EuCh was level 4, now it's level 3, 4Lz was bad, no 4S at all, 3Lz+3Lo wasn't landed (warm-ups doesn't count of course), flip wasn't marked '!' last season even once, now it is twice in one competition, programs are afwul and empty, jump entries simplified, less transitions of course.

Yes and in 6 other programs last season with ETERI she had Level 3s and in one program a Level 2 on her StSq, but apparently her Level 4 at Euros last season means she now has to have a Level 4 all the time when she and Anna did not even have that the entire season last season. Half of the time both had Level 3s last season.
You claimed her StSq got worse, I provided the statistics which showed that it was common for Sasha and other Eteri students to have Level 3s and therefore her StSq did not get worse, it stayed the same and it is easy to lose a level on StSqs, it happens to even the best skaters. You claimed her 3Lz+3Lo is an issue, I told you her 3Lz+3Lo has been an issue for over 2 seasons now and you could have easily watched her comps from the past two seasons or looked into the protocols to see that Team Tutberidze constantly took her 3Lz+3Lo out and put it back in since Sasha's 3Lz+3Lo often caused an issue, she fell on it etc. So no, it did not get worse. Adapting to a coach takes time and expecting a new coach to fix all the former errors in a few months, especially after a long quarantine, errors that not even the former team did fix in several seasons is laughable.

Furthermore, we all know once you leave Eteri the edge calls start coming despite the edge being an issue for a long time. Daria had an inside edge on her Lutzes this weekend and did not get an edge call on any of the three Lutzes. That Sasha got an edge call has everything to do with the judges who love to punish skaters with calls once someone leaves Eteri. It has happened with many so far. That judges even dared to call edges at IdF and CoC last season was a rare exception and we all know what happened after.