Agree.
Anna Shcherbakova has never jumped a real Lz jump either. But she receives full credit for her 3lutz and 4Lutz. Last year she jumped 2 3Lutzes and 2 4Lutzes all of them with flat edge and at least half a turn pre-rotation.
Is this the same Sofia Muravieva who was 2nd at the Russian Cup state last weekend? She's a really good skater, I can't understand why anyone would dump her.
With Davydov's history of playing favorites, it's not hard to believe.
What is a "real Lutz" according to the rules, anyway?Agree.
Oh no
I thought Davydov sounded like a nice guy from the little I knew... Well, it's hard to be nice in a competitive sport I guessAccording to Wikipedia..."entrance from a back outside edge and landing on the back outside edge of the opposite foot". But ISU allows the 3Lz3F so the second part sounds optional. That's all.
Outside edge and minimal pre-rotation.
Actually, the rules just say a "Lutz is taken-off from backward outside edge". They do not mention anything about pre-rotation on a pick nullifying a lutz.
I agree that the idea of Anna never having jumped a correct lutz is far too much of a hyperbole. She probably has done shallow outside edge lutzes, and those are very much "true" lutzes. But protocols are not rules, for PR, there are actual restrictions on how much PR a jump should have, it's just that judges don't really care. That leads to the question, if judges are supposed to follow rules, and they do, but not the ones written down on paper, then what are the true rules? The ones in the ISU handbooks, or the ones that judges seem to follow?
Do you mean the ISU rules or Nadya's rules?
"A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a downgraded jump. The toe loop is the most commonly cheated on take-off jump. The TP may only watch the replay in regular speed to determine the cheat and downgrade on the take off (more often in combinations or sequences)."
Watch Alexia Paganini.
She has great lutz. (And according to me she is currently the most beautiful ladies skater after Alyona Kostornaya).
Back then they were only doing double Lutzes (or even singles). I think that for a triple Lutz -- never mind a quad -- just getting in three rotations is so hard that they can't worry too much about technique or style.
It is hard, I agree. But there are still skaters with textbook lutz technique like Alexia Paganini. Her 3Lz is gorgeous. And there is Veronika Zhilina who jumped 4Lz with minimal pre-rotation (however the jump was underrotated).
I agree. The technical definition of take-off in the English language literally means moment you leave the ground....in this case the ground is ice. So if you're prerotating and the moment you leave the ice is facing forwards, I don't understand why it shouldn't count as forward take-off. In the end, no ISU technical caller sees the rules this way so they must mean something else. But they should rewrite the rule since as it stands they aren't following their own rules.
) that explained, with statistics of different skaters across several competitions, how skaters with very clear outside lutz edge are more likely to have a lip and viceversa for skaters with good flips having flutz.
