Not everyone Lee Hea in, for example, does an old school Lutz to the corner. (And a beautiful one at that). I've seen others. Alysa Czniy (sic) was one of the last Americans I can remember who did a classic LBO arc to the corner.
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Not really, it's just about knowing the actual meaning of take-off in the English language.
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I wonder what Aliona's ceiling would be without a 3A. In this format I am expecting her to get the 6 B points from her improved spins. Without the B points would it be 82 and 158? So 240 total. Anna received 79 for the SP without bonuses, but she has a 3Lz-3Lo, Kamila was at 82. Scoring potential of 246 with the bonuses?
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It still looks majorly underrotated but it‘s still a great attempt, especially considering she was only trying it in the harness a few weeks back. Quad Queen indeed!
And... me too. I‘m quite worried about Aliona but luckily, she still has time until the last two stages! Let’s hope for the best.
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I disagree. PCS isn’t a retirement fund, you don’t earn it based on your age in senior skating. Some junior skaters are way better than most seniors and skate „like seniors“ (whatever that means) from a very young age. Aliona in jgp18 was already miles ahead of most seniors, but because she was technically a junior everyone had to say okay to her mildly infuriating low PCS.
Plus, I can't imagine most coaches talk about their rivals in this fashion. Orser would never discuss Nathan's scoring calling it a circus. It's not right.
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Yep....
Sure he is just concerned about the validity of scores. Makes sense to me.
Maybe he should consider returning some of his "perfect 6.0" scores from yesteryear.
Or maybe he should ask to have his SP score from the 2006 Olympics re-evaluated.
Just in case there is even the slightest possibility that maybe, just maybe, he was not THAT much better than everyone else.
What he has done here in his ongoing "battle" with Eteri is to drag Kamila right into that cesspool.
Nice way to treat a 14 year old Plushy. Great job. "When they go low, we also go low".
And, of course, he just has to drag Alina right back into it also.
I truly appreciated the way Plushy was one of the few "Russian Elites" that was supportive of Alina during her 2018-19 struggles.
And I honestly used to think he actually cared about her future career development.
But then he had to "blab" about her asking him about quads (thus causing Alina to be the subject of some poem about "betrayal")
And now this again????
If indeed Alina decides to retire from competitive skating....
I hope that decision has not been helped along by this "battle for her soul" bewteen two of the biggest egos in figure skating.
This line of discussion I don't mind carrying on, if it's kept meaningful. I think "senior" vs "junior" skating did use to be a thing in 6.0. You can compare for example 1995 worlds Michelle Kwan to 1996 Worlds. You see more power across the ice, more finish, less looking like she's focusing on getting her jumps out, so on. The focus used be on delivering an overall performance, making it more difficult out of juniors, where there seems to me there was a leeway - focus on tech and become more confident.
In this case, I think we are conflating two different things. Is a junior skating like a junior just because they're a junior skater? Not necessarily. So holding back PCS just because someone is a junior is silly. OTOH, if I do compare Valieva's skating to a polished senior like say Kostornaia or Shcherbackova currently, to me the difference is still clear. That's what I personally mean when I say Valieva skates like a junior - not that she *is* a junior and that she should be held back because of it, but rather that she has a long way to go.
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Already luring most likely, quite possibly even by proxy of Rudkovskaya ...
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I'm not sure what you mean by this... I mean have you ever actually watched any of those 6.0 programs? They didn't just give them to him for no reason, they were for truly amazing performances. I can't imagine watching Nijinsky at Russian Nats and not been stunned by it, I don't care who you are.
I'm trying to tread really carefully here because honestly I wish very much that Plushy wouldn't give such interviews, I assume someone actually asked him what he thought of the scoring and he just didn't pick up the phone and offer his opinion. But he wasn't the only person who thought Kamila's SP was scored too high. It's not like he said she should have got a 5 instead.
Not sure why the Alina issue keeps coming up, it is true Plushy thinks she talented and he did think she'd win the Olympics, it's not like he woke up a couple of weeks ago and thought "Hey I'm gonna try and get Alina to join my school just to annoy Eteri."
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I don't think it was her finest performance, and I do think Anna and Aliona are more polished. But relatively to others in this particular competition, I didn't find her scoring outrageous. Moreover, I think she fits right in with the current crop of top senior skaters, like Sasha, Aliona and Anna. Less polished to me wouldn't mean "skates like a junior" in her particular case. Because in my opinion she exudes quite a few characteristics of a well developed top skater even now.
If we're just talking about this particular competition, I do think she deserved more PCS than Trusova just for instance in the SP - in that particular case, I think it's fine to say Valieva shouldn't be held behind because she's a junior. If the interview is competition-specific, then it's a different matter.
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Ah but there's the rub, wasn't the point of IJS to create a system where skaters were no longer compared to each other, but to a set of standards? Kamila and all the others therefore should be scored against that not in comparison to each other.
Judges do seem really bad at this though, I confess to not knowing the scoring system inside and out, but falls are supposed to impose a limit on PCS. Several skaters in the competition had falls, but for some it seems their PCS was not capped like it should have been. Now maybe this is an argument that some components shouldn't be capped by falls like interpretation or performance, but until the ISU votes on such a change the judges are meant to follow the rules in place.
) But with your return there has become 5 times more chaos. It is tiresome to look for grains of information about athletes in the ocean of near-sports nonsense.I admire your zeal
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Sorry about that, Alex65, but I really don't care about rehashing seen or unseen calls from long completed competitions, or discussions of personal taste and individual appreciation that seem to be the norm here.
The present situation and current developments are far more interesting and can have far reaching, even devastating consequences, on the careers or some skaters we all love and cherish.
Otherwise, there is always the report button and ignore function.
I am reluctant to start a Plyuchshenko Effect thread, because I find so little positive in what Yevgeniy Viktorovich has become.
The rest is up to the moderators.
The present situation and current developments are far more interesting and can have far reaching, even devastating consequences, on the careers or some skaters we all love and cherish.
Otherwise, there is always the report button and ignore function.
I am reluctant to start a Plyuchshenko Effect thread, because I find so little positive in what Yevgeniy Viktorovich has become.
The rest is up to the moderators.
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1) Plushy has always been one of my favorite men's skaters. I don't have a problem with his 6.0's. But you well know there are those that feel he had no artistry/choreography, etc... I'm sure Plushy doesn't care now what his "critics" say about his skating, but maybe 14 year old Plushy would have been hurt by a well known coach/skater publicly criticizing his scores.
2) In my opinion, it was not his place to give his opinion - for the reasons in my original post. The only other time I have seen it recently was Mishin complaining about Satoko's score (versus Liza T). And I felt that was wrong too. Honestly, how often do coaches even complain about the scores of their own skaters?
3) I forgot about he predicted Alina's win! But no matter how supportive he has been of her, I still think he was wrong to bring her into this yet again. I don't want her to be some sort of collateral damage in this war with Eteri.
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As much as it is exciting seeing videos of skaters on insta, them showing off their skills and all, I wish everyone would just shut up, not give interviews and stop thrash talking. But that ship has sailed...
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Oops. *most of Eteti's students. I edited it.I admire your zeal
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There is too much at stake now. More than egos and money.
Nothing from Snow Leopards and #TeamPanova. We are all waiting for Kseniya Sinitsyna still, are we?
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With regards to what he was talking he specifically said „no 14 year old, a child“ should get such scores. He was also referring to this specific competition and talking about both Daria and Kamila. Idk, I don’t feel like it’s ok to do so.
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